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  1. I had a pacemaker implanted on July 4th, and now I am questioning if I
    really needed it. I am an American expat living in France, and
    because of the language difficulties, I really don't comprehend what
    the cardiologist told me.

    Breifly, I am a 51 year old male with a history of coronary artery
    disease, and variant angina caused by vasospasms. I had a stent in
    the right coronary artery in August 2002, and due to restenosis, I had
    2 new stents (one in the right and the other in the left coronary
    artery) in May 2003. After the 2nd stent procedure, I began to have
    some strange palipations. They always began in the morning and lasted
    anywhere from 2 to 3 hours nonstop. It felt like someone came up
    behind me and frightened me. During these palpitations, my BP
    readings were, on average, 93/63 with a pulse rate in the 60s.

    My doctor put me on atenolol 25mg, and when the palpations did not
    stop, he increased it to 50mg. (I also take Cardizem 240mg, Imdur
    60mg, and Plavix). On my 4th day at this dosage, while walking down
    the street, I felt horrible palpatations and was extremely dizzy. I
    leaned against a building, then passed out. I must of hit the
    pavement hard, because my face was a mess. In the ambulance, my EKG
    readings showed a heart rate in the low 30s and they gave me IVs to
    stabilize me.

    At the hospital, outside of 1 EKG, the cardiologist at the hospital
    did not even examine me. He informed he that I had sinus node
    dysfunction and needed a pacemaker. I asked if my problem was perhaps
    not caused by induced bradycardia from the atenolol plus the cardizem.
    He said that the atenolol only exposed the problem, but did not cause
    it. That sounds so strange to me.

    Ironically, I had taken the Holter test a few weeks before. At the
    time that this test was taken, I was not experiencing any palipations.
    The reason for this test was due to chest discomfort and numerous
    episodes of PCV or 'dropping" sensations while at rest. Neither the
    cardiologist at the hospital nor myself had seen the results. I
    finally got the results today which were "absence of trouble in
    ventriculaire rhythm; absence of significant modification in the ST
    segment; number of episodes of bradycardia 'sinusale' of no major
    significance.

    Well, I have a pacemaker now and I am absolutely unsure if I really
    have sinus node dysfunction or drug induced bradycardia. And was the
    emergency cardiologist correct in that the atenol only exposed the
    problem and did not cause it? Or was I just fed a line? Any thoughts
    or comments most welcome.

    Thanks

  2. [email hidden] (Teach) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
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    Quoted message said:

    Well, I have a pacemaker now and I am absolutely unsure if I really
    have sinus node dysfunction or drug induced bradycardia. And was the
    emergency cardiologist correct in that the atenol only exposed the
    problem and did not cause it? Or was I just fed a line? Any thoughts
    or comments most welcome.

    It sounds to me like you were fed a line.

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    http://www.heartmdphd.com/

  3. [email hidden] (Teach) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    [email hidden] (Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Teach) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
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    Quoted message said:

    Well, I have a pacemaker now and I am absolutely unsure if I really
    have sinus node dysfunction or drug induced bradycardia. And was the
    emergency cardiologist correct in that the atenol only exposed the
    problem and did not cause it? Or was I just fed a line? Any thoughts
    or comments most welcome.

    It sounds to me like you were fed a line.

    Thanks Dr. Chung for your response. I respect your opinion. It all
    happened so fast and is still so confusing to me.

    Not surprising because you were bradycardiac and hypotensive.

    Quoted message said:

    I guess that there is not much I can do about the situation now except
    give the benefit of doubt to the physcian who attended to me while I
    was passed out on the ground and in the ambulance. Perhaps there was
    something in the EKGs taken while I was in the ambulance that
    concerned him or indicated that it was more than drug induced
    bradycardia.

    You were on so much negative-chronotropic drugs that I suspect there was not.

    Quoted message said:

    On the positive side, once I get used to the discomfort of having this
    thing in my shoulder, I can consider the pacemaker like a long term
    insurance policy. The holter test did indicate numerous episodes of
    bradycardia "sinusale", although not considered significant. And I
    suppose that it does now open up more options for other drugs to treat
    my CAD/Blood pressure which would have otherwise had
    contra-indications due to potential hypotension.

    Yes, your doctors don't need to be as concerned about bradycardia anymore.

    Quoted message said:

    I guess the biggest
    plus is that I was covered under the French system, so everything
    (hospital, doctors, ambulance, pacemaker, etc) was 100% free. I only
    had to pay $11.00 for some misc charges.

    I am sure the French taxpayers don't think it is free :-)

    God Bless,

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    http://www.heartmdphd.com/

  4. (Teach) said:

    I had a pacemaker implanted on July 4th, and now I am questioning if I
    really needed it. I am an American expat living in France, and
    because of the language difficulties, I really don't comprehend what
    the cardiologist told me.

    Breifly, I am a 51 year old male with a history of coronary artery
    disease, and variant angina caused by vasospasms. I had a stent in
    the right coronary artery in August 2002, and due to restenosis, I had
    2 new stents (one in the right and the other in the left coronary
    artery) in May 2003. After the 2nd stent procedure, I began to have
    some strange palipations. They always began in the morning and lasted
    anywhere from 2 to 3 hours nonstop. It felt like someone came up
    behind me and frightened me. During these palpitations, my BP
    readings were, on average, 93/63 with a pulse rate in the 60s.

    My doctor put me on atenolol 25mg, and when the palpations did not
    stop, he increased it to 50mg. (I also take Cardizem 240mg, Imdur
    60mg, and Plavix). On my 4th day at this dosage, while walking down
    the street, I felt horrible palpatations and was extremely dizzy. I
    leaned against a building, then passed out. I must of hit the
    pavement hard, because my face was a mess. In the ambulance, my EKG
    readings showed a heart rate in the low 30s and they gave me IVs to
    stabilize me.

    At the hospital, outside of 1 EKG, the cardiologist at the hospital
    did not even examine me. He informed he that I had sinus node
    dysfunction and needed a pacemaker. I asked if my problem was perhaps
    not caused by induced bradycardia from the atenolol plus the cardizem.
    He said that the atenolol only exposed the problem, but did not cause
    it. That sounds so strange to me.

    Ironically, I had taken the Holter test a few weeks before. At the
    time that this test was taken, I was not experiencing any palipations.
    The reason for this test was due to chest discomfort and numerous
    episodes of PCV or 'dropping" sensations while at rest. Neither the
    cardiologist at the hospital nor myself had seen the results. I
    finally got the results today which were "absence of trouble in
    ventriculaire rhythm; absence of significant modification in the ST
    segment; number of episodes of bradycardia 'sinusale' of no major
    significance.

    Well, I have a pacemaker now and I am absolutely unsure if I really
    have sinus node dysfunction or drug induced bradycardia. And was the
    emergency cardiologist correct in that the atenol only exposed the
    problem and did not cause it? Or was I just fed a line? Any thoughts
    or comments most welcome.

    Thanks

    I cannot comment on the Atenolol except to say that I hated it when
    they tried it with me. I had a new Mitral valve inserted last Nov and
    since then have suffered from very troublesome arrythmias. It is the
    bradycardia they don't like. It is so serious as you could just drop
    dead with a heart rate that drops as low as yours did. It sounds like
    your pulse rate was getting low even before the medications but I am
    not a doctor and therefore do not understand the effect of the
    combination of these drugs. I was put on Verapamil and Digoxin to
    slow the heart but something they saw at the last clinic appointment
    made them decide on a pacemaker which was fitted last Thursday. Like
    you I did not think I really needed it and it was only on Monday last
    that I was told I had heart block and this was the reason it was
    necessary. France is higher up the chart in performance tables for
    health care in the EU so I imagine you can assume you have had good
    advice. Pacemakers are very expensiveI believe so we have to assume
    they would not fit one unnecessarily. Good luck, Diana

  5. Quoted message said:

    . Like
    you I did not think I really needed it and it was only on Monday last
    that I was told I had heart block and this was the reason it was
    necessary. France is higher up the chart in performance tables for
    health care in the EU so I imagine you can assume you have had good
    advice. Pacemakers are very expensiveI believe so we have to assume
    they would not fit one unnecessarily. Good luck, Diana

    I think if you have a Heart Block the only solution is a pacemaker.
    If you didn't have a Pacemaker, your ventricles wouldn't trigger. (
    Maybe I'm wrong, we will see what Doctor Chung says 🙂 ( I just
    wanted to take a stab at the question)

    Bob

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    Quoted message said:


    I think if you have a Heart Block the only solution is a pacemaker.
    If you didn't have a Pacemaker, your ventricles wouldn't trigger. (
    Maybe I'm wrong, we will see what Doctor Chung says 🙂 ( I just
    wanted to take a stab at the question)

    Bob

    Thanks Bob, just a bit more info..apparently there are three levels of
    heart block and mine was First degree. Third is the worst so I assume
    I won't get to that but don't really know. Diana

    You over my head now...

    Bob

  7. [email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    I think if you have a Heart Block the only solution is a pacemaker.
    If you didn't have a Pacemaker, your ventricles wouldn't trigger. (
    Maybe I'm wrong, we will see what Doctor Chung says 🙂 ( I just
    wanted to take a stab at the question)

    Bob

    Thanks Bob, just a bit more info..apparently there are three levels of
    heart block and mine was First degree. Third is the worst so I assume
    I won't get to that but don't really know. Diana

    First degree block does not typically progress to third degree block.

    God Bless,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    http://www.heartmdphd.com

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