web-site on road fatalities

*sigh*

any chance of a mildly flippant website that catalogues personal anecdotes of cyclists who may of had an enjoyable ride today or plan to in the near future?

nah, that’s far too silly to comtemplate....🙄

Andy Simpson said:

I was going to post something to the "Why do cars hate us
so much" thread" about how some drivers seem to hate
everyone else too. While checking some numbers, I came
across the following web-site:

tssu.atsb.gov.auQuery DB.cfmOpen ↗

which allows you to analyse historical Australian road
fatalities.

Andy

Anyone had any success creating reports from here? I just
tried and got an error message from IE and a blank page from
Netscape. Not sure if I really want to know too much about
the fatalities, might put me off riding.

Dave B.

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Andy Simpson said:

I was going to post something to the "Why do cars hate
us so much"

thread"

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about how some drivers seem to hate everyone else too.
While checking

some

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numbers, I came across the following web-site:

tssu.atsb.gov.auQuery DB.cfmOpen ↗

which allows you to analyse historical Australian road
fatalities.

Andy

Anyone had any success creating reports from here? I just
tried and got an error message from IE and a blank page
from Netscape. Not sure if I really want to know too much
about the fatalities, might put me off

riding.

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Dave B.

works fine for me stuart

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Andy Simpson said:

I was going to post something to the "Why do cars hate us
so much"

thread"

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about how some drivers seem to hate everyone else too.
While checking

some

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numbers, I came across the following web-site:

tssu.atsb.gov.auQuery DB.cfmOpen ↗

which allows you to analyse historical Australian road
fatalities.

Andy

Anyone had any success creating reports from here? I just
tried and got an error message from IE and a blank page
from Netscape. Not sure if I really want to know too much
about the fatalities, might put me off

riding.

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Dave B.

works fine for me stuart

Yep working fine now. Must have been a hiccup at the site.

DaveB.

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Originally posted by cfsmtb
*sigh*

any chance of a mildly flippant website that catalogues personal anecdotes of cyclists who may of had an enjoyable ride today or plan to in the near future?

nah, that’s far too silly to comtemplate....🙄

funny you should mention that.
putting together summat at the mo. based purely on my own stuff experiences.
probably something like hippy's but am trying to see if I can get a decent/solid blog/forum thing on there too.
rides around Melbourne section

reworking the Booroondara BUG site shortly too...

See tinyurl.com3hmmpOpen ↗ -

Adult cycling deaths by year; and, separately, those during
commuting hours, taken as 7:00am-9:00am and 5:00pm-7:00pm,
Monday to Friday.

Interesting. The dip around 1991-92 is fairly clear - widely
attributed to the helmet laws introduced in 1991, and best
explained by a reduction in total cycling (reduced
exposure), rather than by any improvement in cyclist head
protection.

An ongoing slow downtrend appears to be superimposed - but I
have no data on concurrent changes in exposure. Surely total
adult cycling per annum would have increased somewhat since
the low of 91-92? And by rather a lot in the last couple of
years, if my observations are any guide...

"Commuting hours" deaths average a fairly modest 6.5 per
year nationwide, rather less than I would have guessed.
Census data indicates that about 2% of all commutes are by
bicycle - maybe 200,000 individual cycle commuters; say
400,000 trips per day.

So your chances of dying cycle commuting are rather less
than your chances of winning Lotto ("break even" is at about
five ordinary 8-game entries per year). Maybe advocates
would do well to advertise the fact!

The problem I personally have with all these statistics
(i.e. death by/due to cycling) is that they do not count the
number of cyclists who have survived their accidents
(regardless of who's fault it was!) but still paid a high
price like those: para/quadriplegics, broken bones, badly
bruised, teeth and eye damage, etc...... I would love to see
all of those. This should also include cycling accidents
caused by poor road conditions and cyclists own mistakes -
to be 100% fare. With car crashes more often than not the
driver & passengers walk away with nothing broken/bruised
beyond their vehicles.....

Once you add those mishaps into equation I doubt bicycling
statistics are all that healthy (pardon my pun!).....

I only started cycling in Dec 2003 and every time I jump on
my bike and "hit the road" I say a silent prayer that I
return home in one safe and sound piece!

Safe riding all!

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See tinyurl.com3hmmpOpen ↗ -

Adult cycling deaths by year; and, separately, those
during commuting hours, taken as 7:00am-9:00am and 5:00pm-
7:00pm, Monday to Friday.

Interesting. The dip around 1991-92 is fairly clear -
widely attributed to the helmet laws introduced in 1991,
and best explained by a reduction in total cycling
(reduced exposure), rather than by any improvement in
cyclist head protection.

An ongoing slow downtrend appears to be superimposed - but
I have no data on concurrent changes in exposure. Surely
total adult cycling per annum would have increased
somewhat since the low of 91-92? And by rather a lot in
the last couple of years, if my observations are any
guide...

"Commuting hours" deaths average a fairly modest 6.5 per
year nationwide, rather less than I would have guessed.
Census data indicates that about 2% of all commutes are by
bicycle - maybe 200,000 individual cycle commuters; say
400,000 trips per day.

So your chances of dying cycle commuting are rather less
than your chances of winning Lotto ("break even" is at
about five ordinary 8-game entries per year). Maybe
advocates would do well to advertise the fact!

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The problem I personally have with all these statistics
(i.e. death by/due to cycling) is that they do not count
the number of cyclists who have survived their accidents
(regardless of who's fault it was!) but still

paid

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a high price like those: para/quadriplegics, broken bones,
badly bruised, teeth and eye damage, etc...... I would
love to see all of those. This should also include cycling
accidents caused by poor road conditions and cyclists own
mistakes - to be 100% fare. With car crashes more often
than not the driver & passengers walk away with nothing
broken/bruised beyond their vehicles.....

Once you add those mishaps into equation I doubt bicycling
statistics are all that healthy (pardon my pun!).....

The problem you have is that these are statistics for
fatalities. If you want the statistics for serious injuries,
you need to look at the statistics for serious injuries,
see, for example: atsb.gov.auserOpen ↗
ious_injury_2003.pdf

You are quite right - the statistics for cyclists start to
look a lot more ugly at this level.

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Originally posted by Yuri Budilov
I only started cycling in Dec 2003 and every time I jump on
my bike and "hit the road" I say a silent prayer that I
return home in one safe and sound piece!

Safe riding all!

I have been commuting for 30 years now. The first time was from Redfern to the Sydney GPO. I lined up a friend to cycle with, but she piked it at the last moment, so I cycled alone amoungst the roaring inner city traffic.

My number of accidents, self-inflicted and caused by others I can count on two hands. No broken bones luckily. A lot more close calls. This morning I watched the cyclist in front of me almost get 'doored' by a delivery truck driver openning his door without looking in Swanston street.

Last Friday of the month I always attend 'mass' and say a prayer for those cyclists who weren't as fortunate or were victims of road rage. The more cyclists on the road, the safer it is for all of us!

Thanks Andy!

exactly what I wanted to see.

well, in 6 months periods from 1999-2002 the number of
serious injuries to cyclists is about 1300 (i.e. 2600 per
year) which is about the same as the number of pedestrians
seriously injured and about 40% of the car drivers
injured..... Not too flash, sadly.

In fact it is even *worse* because the report states the
serious injury counted when a person spends at least one
night in the hospital. In many cases a fractured or even
broken bone (rib? arm?) requires *no* over-night stay in the
hospital and therefore no hospital admission. For example:
my daughter fell off her bike and fractured/broken her arm
in 2000. Not badly. We went to the hospital emergency and
they handled all there, no overnight stay. She spent 6 weeks
in cast. etc.... I am sure this accident was not counted as
a serious injury. But it was bicycle related fall with
injury nevertheless.. In many cases badly bruised cyclists
(like me, in Jan 2004!) simply go to their GP or even
recover on their own. When you add all of these bicycle
crashes, the numbers are sure to be much worse again,
perhaps as high as car drivers or even higher......

Don't get me wrong - I love cycling - but I think it is much
more dangerous form of sport/transport then many of us think
or try to talk themselves into thinking.....

IMHO

Ride Safe!

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The problem I personally have with all these statistics
(i.e. death

by/due

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to cycling) is that they do not count the number of
cyclists who have survived their accidents (regardless
of who's fault it was!) but still

paid

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a high price like those: para/quadriplegics, broken
bones, badly

bruised,

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teeth and eye damage, etc...... I would love to see all
of those. This should also include cycling accidents
caused by poor road conditions and cyclists own mistakes
- to be 100% fare. With car crashes more often

than

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not the driver & passengers walk away with nothing
broken/bruised beyond their vehicles.....

Once you add those mishaps into equation I doubt
bicycling statistics

are

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all that healthy (pardon my pun!).....

The problem you have is that these are statistics for
fatalities. If you want the statistics for serious
injuries, you need to look at the

statistics

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for serious injuries, see, for example: atsb.g-atsb.g-Open ↗
ov.au/road/stats/pdf/serious_injury_2003.pdf

You are quite right - the statistics for cyclists start to
look a lot more ugly at this level.