Weight gain and Cardio

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Quoted message said:

Hello,

I want to gain some weight through bulking up and lifting weights, but
I also want to improve my cardio. I would consider myself a hard
gainer since I have a high metabolism and have always been underweight.
Most books and articles that I have read say that I should just stick
to eating lots and only doing weights as any other activity will
consume the calories I need for weight gain.

Now is this really accurate? Is there a way to accomplish both?

Any feedback is appreciated.

Explain what 'improving your cardio' actually means. What specific
adaptation are you trying to improve with your cardio?

--
Keith

<[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Hello,

I want to gain some weight through bulking up and lifting weights, but
I also want to improve my cardio. I would consider myself a hard
gainer since I have a high metabolism and have always been underweight.
Most books and articles that I have read say that I should just stick
to eating lots and only doing weights as any other activity will
consume the calories I need for weight gain.

Now is this really accurate? Is there a way to accomplish both?

Cardiovascular improvement is important to overall health and longevity.
While you will gain weight, and muscle, faster without any cardio, is it
that important that you would forego your health? If I were you, I would
accept slightly slower weight/muscle gain while doing some cardio.

Quoted message said:

Any feedback is appreciated.

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David

Quoted message said:

Hobbes said:

Explain what 'improving your cardio' actually means. What specific
adaptation are you trying to improve with your cardio?

Well I started doing 5K runs and I must say that I enjoyed that, it
took me 30 mintues.

I want to be able to run that in 20 mintues or so and eventually get
into 10K. Also I just want more endurance in general when I bike ,
play tennis or go hiking.

But in terms of metrics, running is probably the most accurate yard
stick by which I would measure the goals I am trying to attain.

Cheers,
Rob

David Cohen said:

Cardiovascular improvement is important to overall health and longevity.
While you will gain weight, and muscle, faster without any cardio, is it
that important that you would forego your health? If I were you, I would
accept slightly slower weight/muscle gain while doing some cardio.

I agree with you there. I feel great when I do cardio even more so
mentally, I am energetic , happy and alert.

I don't want to sacrifice one for another I just want to know what
method can I use so that I don't have to comprimise my muscle
development, if there is any.

If not than something's gotta give .

Cheers,
Rob

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Quoted message said:

Hobbes said:

Explain what 'improving your cardio' actually means. What specific
adaptation are you trying to improve with your cardio?

Well I started doing 5K runs and I must say that I enjoyed that, it
took me 30 mintues.

I want to be able to run that in 20 mintues or so and eventually get
into 10K. Also I just want more endurance in general when I bike ,
play tennis or go hiking.

But in terms of metrics, running is probably the most accurate yard
stick by which I would measure the goals I am trying to attain.

Cheers,
Rob

Then why do you want the bulk? If time is your goal in a roadrace, that's
just more stuff to pack down the road. I see the two goals as conflicting.

If you're talking just cardio health, 20-30 minutes 2 - 3 times per week of
moderate cardio in addition to your weights is accepted as adequate.

Larry Hodges said:

I see the two goals as conflicting

But then, Larry is a moron.

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Quoted message said:

I just want to know what
method can I use so that I don't have to comprimise my muscle
development, if there is any.

There's an easy question. Run 60 minutes everyday, lift weights every
other day.

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Quoted message said:

Hello,

I want to gain some weight through bulking up and lifting weights, but
I also want to improve my cardio. I would consider myself a hard
gainer since I have a high metabolism and have always been underweight.
Most books and articles that I have read say that I should just stick
to eating lots and only doing weights as any other activity will
consume the calories I need for weight gain.

Now is this really accurate? Is there a way to accomplish both?

Any feedback is appreciated.

I see your problem as genetic - you will never bulk up with muscle - you
will get 'sinewy' that is the best you can expect. So I would follow the
advice of the other trolls (David Cohen and Larry) and just go on a general
fitness regime and abandon the 'bulking up' goal as such.

If you need more feed back then
EEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Quoted message said:

Hello,

I want to gain some weight through bulking up and lifting weights, but
I also want to improve my cardio. I would consider myself a hard
gainer since I have a high metabolism and have always been
underweight. Most books and articles that I have read say that I
should just stick to eating lots and only doing weights as any other
activity will consume the calories I need for weight gain.

Now is this really accurate? Is there a way to accomplish both?

Any feedback is appreciated.

On the basis that in any given cardio session you are currently unlikely to
burn more than 500kcals, it's not really an issue.

--
Bully

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

David said:

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I see your problem as genetic - you will never bulk up with muscle - you
will get 'sinewy' that is the best you can expect. So I would follow the
advice of the other trolls (David Cohen and Larry) and just go on a general
fitness regime and abandon the 'bulking up' goal as such.

I am not sure I agree here. I have seen people skinnier than me bulk
up very successfuly. Now they were eating 6 times a day and taking a
variey of supplements such as protein, creating, glutamine and the
works. But the point is that it is possible.

Sure I will never be as big as other more gifted people. But I believe
that considerable improvements can be achieved. Of course an ambitious
cardio routine can defenitely counteract this goal but I am ready to go
through a slower process if that means not to have to give up my cardio
activities.

Cheers,
Rob

Bully said:

Quoted message said:

Hello,

On the basis that in any given cardio session you are currently unlikely to
burn more than 500kcals, it's not really an issue.

--

I really think so too, I was under the impression after cardio just eat
an extra energy bar and voila , like it never happened.

I guess I just don't understand why most body building articles ,
especially the ones who address hard gainers always discourage you from
cardio if all the extra calories spent can be so easily regained again?

Could it be that besides the calorie loss there are other chemical
reactions that increase your metabolism and tie up your extra calories?

Quoted message said:

Bully said:

Quoted message said:

Hello,

On the basis that in any given cardio session you are currently
unlikely to burn more than 500kcals, it's not really an issue.

--

I really think so too, I was under the impression after cardio just
eat an extra energy bar and voila , like it never happened.

I guess I just don't understand why most body building articles ,
especially the ones who address hard gainers always discourage you
from cardio if all the extra calories spent can be so easily regained
again?

Could it be that besides the calorie loss there are other chemical
reactions that increase your metabolism and tie up your extra
calories?

Cardio work doesn't just burn calories (and 500kcals is bugger all, that's
half an hour of decent work at most).

You also do tire your muscles, et cetera. Try doing a hard run then lifting
immediately, energy bar or not you'll find you can't lift what you normally
would. So there are some conflicts. It's also the case that a heavier runner
is usually a slower runner - more weight to carry down the road.

But there are a whole lot of people who do some mixture of cardio work and
weights work and get what they want out of both, seems to me like a good
idea.

Peter

Peter Allen said:

Quoted message said:

Bully said:

[email hidden] wrote:
> Hello,
On the basis that in any given cardio session you are currently
unlikely to burn more than 500kcals, it's not really an issue.

--

I really think so too, I was under the impression after cardio just
eat an extra energy bar and voila , like it never happened.

I guess I just don't understand why most body building articles ,
especially the ones who address hard gainers always discourage you
from cardio if all the extra calories spent can be so easily regained
again?

Could it be that besides the calorie loss there are other chemical
reactions that increase your metabolism and tie up your extra
calories?

Cardio work doesn't just burn calories (and 500kcals is bugger all,
that's half an hour of decent work at most).

For an interval session, which is what I would recommend, you wouldn't need
to do more than 1/2 hour.

Quoted message said:

You also do tire your muscles, et cetera. Try doing a hard run then
lifting immediately, energy bar or not you'll find you can't lift
what you normally would.

Personally, I NEVER do cardio and weights on the same day. For me, that's a
given.

Quoted message said:

So there are some conflicts. It's also the
case that a heavier runner is usually a slower runner - more weight
to carry down the road.

Further, I wouldn't recommend running either. Go for the Concept 2 (indoor
rower) and/or exercise bike. Much less impact on the joints in either case.

Quoted message said:

But there are a whole lot of people who do some mixture of cardio
work and weights work and get what they want out of both, seems to me
like a good idea.

Peter

--
Bully
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matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Peter Allen said:

Quoted message said:

Bully said:

[email hidden] wrote:
> Hello,
On the basis that in any given cardio session you are currently
unlikely to burn more than 500kcals, it's not really an issue.

--

I really think so too, I was under the impression after cardio just
eat an extra energy bar and voila , like it never happened.

I guess I just don't understand why most body building articles ,
especially the ones who address hard gainers always discourage you
from cardio if all the extra calories spent can be so easily regained
again?

Could it be that besides the calorie loss there are other chemical
reactions that increase your metabolism and tie up your extra
calories?

Cardio work doesn't just burn calories (and 500kcals is bugger all,
that's half an hour of decent work at most).

For an interval session, which is what I would recommend, you wouldn't need
to do more than 1/2 hour.

Quoted message said:

You also do tire your muscles, et cetera. Try doing a hard run then
lifting immediately, energy bar or not you'll find you can't lift
what you normally would.

Personally, I NEVER do cardio and weights on the same day. For me, that's a
given.

Quoted message said:

So there are some conflicts. It's also the
case that a heavier runner is usually a slower runner - more weight
to carry down the road.

Further, I wouldn't recommend running either. Go for the Concept 2 (indoor
rower) and/or exercise bike. Much less impact on the joints in either case.

Quoted message said:

But there are a whole lot of people who do some mixture of cardio
work and weights work and get what they want out of both, seems to me
like a good idea.

Peter

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
Supps: http://www.myprotein.co.uk - 5% off with my discount code MP4858

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Or get a cure for aids

Hi there, it depends on what sorts of foods you're eating. You sound
exactly like me a couple months ago - I went to fitnessgold.co.uk and
they recommended some awesome products that not only put weight on but
huge muscle size. After only 9 weeks I put on about 2 stone, most of
which was muscle. You may aswell give them a try too.

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David said:

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I see your problem as genetic - you will never bulk up with muscle - you
will get 'sinewy' that is the best you can expect. So I would follow the
advice of the other trolls (David Cohen and Larry) and just go on a
general
fitness regime and abandon the 'bulking up' goal as such.

I am not sure I agree here. I have seen people skinnier than me bulk
up very successfuly. Now they were eating 6 times a day and taking a
variey of supplements such as protein, creating, glutamine and the
works. But the point is that it is possible.

Sure I will never be as big as other more gifted people. But I believe
that considerable improvements can be achieved. Of course an ambitious
cardio routine can defenitely counteract this goal but I am ready to go
through a slower process if that means not to have to give up my cardio
activities.

You got to have a dream
If you don't have a dream
How you gonna have that dream come true?

On 23 Nov 2005 22:59:53 -0800, "0901453765" <[email hidden]>

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Or get a cure for aids

Why? AIDS is fun. About 3/4 of the people here have it, along with
dementia.

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transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a boner
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a boner donor:
http://www.IGotAidsFromButSex.org.

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Quoted message said:

Hobbes said:

Explain what 'improving your cardio' actually means. What specific
adaptation are you trying to improve with your cardio?

Well I started doing 5K runs and I must say that I enjoyed that, it
took me 30 mintues.

I want to be able to run that in 20 mintues or so and eventually get
into 10K. Also I just want more endurance in general when I bike ,
play tennis or go hiking.

But in terms of metrics, running is probably the most accurate yard
stick by which I would measure the goals I am trying to attain.

Trying to achieve more than one thing at a time isn't impossible but
it's certainly harder, and it also make it more difficult to figure out
the cause and effect more difficult.

-S-
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