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  1. http://www.newsday.com/news/health/ny-hssurg1019,0,5888931.story?coll=ny-health-big-pix

    Risks of gastric bypass
    New study finds that patients 65 and older are more likely to die after
    bariatric surgery than earlier believed

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    Bypass surgery (KRT / Newsday)
    Oct 18, 2005

    BY RONI RABIN
    STAFF WRITER

    October 18, 2005, 8:22 PM EDT

    Medicare patients who undergo weight-loss surgery face a considerably
    higher risk of death than has been reported for other patients in
    previous studies, with 2 percent dying within 30 days of surgery and
    almost 5 percent dying within a year, a study of Medicare patients of
    all ages found. Risks were amplified for men, those over 65 and
    patients whose surgeons were less experienced in such surgery.

    The American Society for Bariatric Surgeons and several earlier studies
    have put the death rate from the surgery at 0.5 percent, or one in 200.

    The paper was one of several published yesterday in the Journal of the
    American Medical Association that reported sobering results about the
    safety of weight- loss surgery.

    Another study found patients, whose average age was 42 years old, were
    twice as likely to end up in the hospital the year after gastric bypass
    surgery as they were the year before, mostly to be treated for surgical
    complications. That study, of more than 60,000 California patients,
    found low death rates, with 0.3 percent of patients dying within 30
    days of surgery and just under 1 percent dying within the year.

    Despite the findings, an editorial accompanying the papers said
    bariatric surgery "remains a fundamental therapy for morbidly obese
    patients." Generally, patients must be at least 100 pounds overweight
    to qualify for such surgery.

    "Under the right circumstances, for an average or low-risk patient, the
    mortality risk is very low," Dr. Bruce M. Wolfe, co-author of the
    editorial, said in an interview, though he added, "The risk of
    complications is very substantial, and the patients need to be
    prepared."

    Wolfe suggested that the poor outcomes of Medicare patients reflected a
    much sicker, disabled population at significantly higher risk than the
    average patient coming for weight-loss surgery.

    But Dr. Dave Flum, lead author of the Medicare study and an associate
    professor of surgery at University of Washington in Seattle, said the
    low mortality rates that have been reported in the past for such
    procedures were from "the best surgeons reporting the best results.

    "This is a procedure that has real risks," Flum said of gastric bypass
    surgery. "People should go into it with their eyes open.

    "It's a high-risk operation, in a high-risk population, and there's
    nothing wrong with saying that. The desire on the part of the surgical
    community to minimize the risk is not well-advised."

    His study of 16,155 Medicare patients found that men faced double the
    risk of death than women, with 3.7 percent of men dying within a month
    of the surgery compared to 1.5 percent of women, and 7.5 percent of men
    dying within a year, compared to 3.7 percent of women.

    The risk of dying also increased after age 65, so that almost 5 percent
    of seniors who had the surgery died within 30 days and 11.1 percent
    died within a year. Having an inexperienced surgeon also increased the
    risk of death.

    Concern about the risks does not appear to be discouraging Americans
    from having bariatric surgery. A third paper in JAMA estimated that the
    number of procedures has multiplied from 13,365 in 1998 to 72,177 by
    2002, and was projected to reach 102,794 by 2003. The authors predicted
    that about 130,000 procedures will be performed this year and that the
    figure could reach 218,000 by 2010.

    *****

    TC

  2. The moral of the article appears to be that you should review the
    credentials of your bariatric surgeon before getting the surgery, since
    the original low mortality rates were those of the best surgeons.

    I think, in the nearish term (next three years) you are going to see
    more of a total quality / disclosure movement in the health care
    industry in the US. Doctors and hospitals have been very reluctant to
    do so, but I think mounting pressure and stories like this will
    probably force the AMA to get into some kind of rating system for
    surgeons and hospitals that goes beyond the current heart health
    rankings. You'd think that the nation that spends the most on
    healthcare, per capita, and the nation that drives the most innovation
    in same would have had some kind of total quality management movement
    years ago, particularly when faced with middle of the industrial world
    healthcare outcomes.

    Hollywood, who wonders how France spends a lot less but gets the best
    results.

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.newsday.com/news/health/ny-hssurg1019,0,5888931.story?coll=ny-health-big-pix

    Risks of gastric bypass
    New study finds that patients 65 and older are more likely to die after
    bariatric surgery than earlier believed

    Email this story

    Printer friendly format

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    Bypass surgery (KRT / Newsday)
    Oct 18, 2005

    BY RONI RABIN
    STAFF WRITER

    October 18, 2005, 8:22 PM EDT

    Medicare patients who undergo weight-loss surgery face a considerably
    higher risk of death than has been reported for other patients in
    previous studies, with 2 percent dying within 30 days of surgery and
    almost 5 percent dying within a year, a study of Medicare patients of
    all ages found. Risks were amplified for men, those over 65 and
    patients whose surgeons were less experienced in such surgery.

    The American Society for Bariatric Surgeons and several earlier studies
    have put the death rate from the surgery at 0.5 percent, or one in 200.

    The paper was one of several published yesterday in the Journal of the
    American Medical Association that reported sobering results about the
    safety of weight- loss surgery.

    Another study found patients, whose average age was 42 years old, were
    twice as likely to end up in the hospital the year after gastric bypass
    surgery as they were the year before, mostly to be treated for surgical
    complications. That study, of more than 60,000 California patients,
    found low death rates, with 0.3 percent of patients dying within 30
    days of surgery and just under 1 percent dying within the year.

    Despite the findings, an editorial accompanying the papers said
    bariatric surgery "remains a fundamental therapy for morbidly obese
    patients." Generally, patients must be at least 100 pounds overweight
    to qualify for such surgery.

    "Under the right circumstances, for an average or low-risk patient, the
    mortality risk is very low," Dr. Bruce M. Wolfe, co-author of the
    editorial, said in an interview, though he added, "The risk of
    complications is very substantial, and the patients need to be
    prepared."

    Wolfe suggested that the poor outcomes of Medicare patients reflected a
    much sicker, disabled population at significantly higher risk than the
    average patient coming for weight-loss surgery.

    But Dr. Dave Flum, lead author of the Medicare study and an associate
    professor of surgery at University of Washington in Seattle, said the
    low mortality rates that have been reported in the past for such
    procedures were from "the best surgeons reporting the best results.

    "This is a procedure that has real risks," Flum said of gastric bypass
    surgery. "People should go into it with their eyes open.

    "It's a high-risk operation, in a high-risk population, and there's
    nothing wrong with saying that. The desire on the part of the surgical
    community to minimize the risk is not well-advised."

    His study of 16,155 Medicare patients found that men faced double the
    risk of death than women, with 3.7 percent of men dying within a month
    of the surgery compared to 1.5 percent of women, and 7.5 percent of men
    dying within a year, compared to 3.7 percent of women.

    The risk of dying also increased after age 65, so that almost 5 percent
    of seniors who had the surgery died within 30 days and 11.1 percent
    died within a year. Having an inexperienced surgeon also increased the
    risk of death.

    Concern about the risks does not appear to be discouraging Americans
    from having bariatric surgery. A third paper in JAMA estimated that the
    number of procedures has multiplied from 13,365 in 1998 to 72,177 by
    2002, and was projected to reach 102,794 by 2003. The authors predicted
    that about 130,000 procedures will be performed this year and that the
    figure could reach 218,000 by 2010.

    *****

    TC

  3. Quoted message said:

    The moral of the article appears to be that you should review the
    credentials of your bariatric surgeon before getting the surgery, since
    the original low mortality rates were those of the best surgeons.

    I think, in the nearish term (next three years) you are going to see
    more of a total quality / disclosure movement in the health care
    industry in the US. Doctors and hospitals have been very reluctant to
    do so, but I think mounting pressure and stories like this will
    probably force the AMA to get into some kind of rating system for
    surgeons and hospitals that goes beyond the current heart health
    rankings. You'd think that the nation that spends the most on
    healthcare, per capita, and the nation that drives the most innovation
    in same would have had some kind of total quality management movement
    years ago, particularly when faced with middle of the industrial world
    healthcare outcomes.

    Hollywood, who wonders how France spends a lot less but gets the best
    results.

    The thing is that in the US they don't actually come up with better
    treatments to actually cure anything, they come up with the best
    treatments that bring in the most money over the long term. That does
    not include actually curing people but stringing them along on
    expensive treatments that masks the symptoms and possibly even creates
    more treatable conditions which then calls for more treatments, etc.

    TC

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://www.newsday.com/news/health/ny-hssurg1019,0,5888931.story?coll=ny-health-big-pix

    Risks of gastric bypass
    New study finds that patients 65 and older are more likely to die after
    bariatric surgery than earlier believed

    Email this story

    Printer friendly format

    Graphics

    Bypass surgery (KRT / Newsday)
    Oct 18, 2005

    BY RONI RABIN
    STAFF WRITER

    October 18, 2005, 8:22 PM EDT

    Medicare patients who undergo weight-loss surgery face a considerably
    higher risk of death than has been reported for other patients in
    previous studies, with 2 percent dying within 30 days of surgery and
    almost 5 percent dying within a year, a study of Medicare patients of
    all ages found. Risks were amplified for men, those over 65 and
    patients whose surgeons were less experienced in such surgery.

    The American Society for Bariatric Surgeons and several earlier studies
    have put the death rate from the surgery at 0.5 percent, or one in 200.

    The paper was one of several published yesterday in the Journal of the
    American Medical Association that reported sobering results about the
    safety of weight- loss surgery.

    Another study found patients, whose average age was 42 years old, were
    twice as likely to end up in the hospital the year after gastric bypass
    surgery as they were the year before, mostly to be treated for surgical
    complications. That study, of more than 60,000 California patients,
    found low death rates, with 0.3 percent of patients dying within 30
    days of surgery and just under 1 percent dying within the year.

    Despite the findings, an editorial accompanying the papers said
    bariatric surgery "remains a fundamental therapy for morbidly obese
    patients." Generally, patients must be at least 100 pounds overweight
    to qualify for such surgery.

    "Under the right circumstances, for an average or low-risk patient, the
    mortality risk is very low," Dr. Bruce M. Wolfe, co-author of the
    editorial, said in an interview, though he added, "The risk of
    complications is very substantial, and the patients need to be
    prepared."

    Wolfe suggested that the poor outcomes of Medicare patients reflected a
    much sicker, disabled population at significantly higher risk than the
    average patient coming for weight-loss surgery.

    But Dr. Dave Flum, lead author of the Medicare study and an associate
    professor of surgery at University of Washington in Seattle, said the
    low mortality rates that have been reported in the past for such
    procedures were from "the best surgeons reporting the best results.

    "This is a procedure that has real risks," Flum said of gastric bypass
    surgery. "People should go into it with their eyes open.

    "It's a high-risk operation, in a high-risk population, and there's
    nothing wrong with saying that. The desire on the part of the surgical
    community to minimize the risk is not well-advised."

    His study of 16,155 Medicare patients found that men faced double the
    risk of death than women, with 3.7 percent of men dying within a month
    of the surgery compared to 1.5 percent of women, and 7.5 percent of men
    dying within a year, compared to 3.7 percent of women.

    The risk of dying also increased after age 65, so that almost 5 percent
    of seniors who had the surgery died within 30 days and 11.1 percent
    died within a year. Having an inexperienced surgeon also increased the
    risk of death.

    Concern about the risks does not appear to be discouraging Americans
    from having bariatric surgery. A third paper in JAMA estimated that the
    number of procedures has multiplied from 13,365 in 1998 to 72,177 by
    2002, and was projected to reach 102,794 by 2003. The authors predicted
    that about 130,000 procedures will be performed this year and that the
    figure could reach 218,000 by 2010.

    *****

    TC

  4. Quoted message said:


    http://www.newsday.com/news/health/ny-hssurg1019,0,5888931.story?coll=ny-health-big-pix

    Medicare patients who undergo weight-loss surgery face a considerably
    higher risk of death than has been reported for other patients in
    previous studies, with 2 percent dying within 30 days of surgery and
    almost 5 percent dying within a year, a study of Medicare patients of
    all ages found. Risks were amplified for men, those over 65 and
    patients whose surgeons were less experienced in such surgery.

    ....

    I'd like to see the numbers for folks who qualify for the
    surgery but decide against. I doubt it's anything like 5%
    dead a year later.

    Talk about a "kill or cure" that isn't even necessarily a cure ...

  5. [email hidden] wrote:
    :: The moral of the article appears to be that you should review the
    :: credentials of your bariatric surgeon before getting the surgery,
    :: since the original low mortality rates were those of the best
    :: surgeons.

    If everyone follows this advice then the surgeries will go away become no
    new people will get trained.

    ::
    :: I think, in the nearish term (next three years) you are going to see
    :: more of a total quality / disclosure movement in the health care
    :: industry in the US. Doctors and hospitals have been very reluctant to
    :: do so, but I think mounting pressure and stories like this will
    :: probably force the AMA to get into some kind of rating system for
    :: surgeons and hospitals that goes beyond the current heart health
    :: rankings. You'd think that the nation that spends the most on
    :: healthcare, per capita, and the nation that drives the most
    :: innovation in same would have had some kind of total quality
    :: management movement years ago, particularly when faced with middle
    :: of the industrial world healthcare outcomes.

    It will never happen. Such ratings would be career killers or they'd be
    complete shams. The key is to enforce rigorous standards and to revoke
    licences for too many failures within a certain period. You can't brand
    people & institutions like that.

  6. Roger Zoul said:

    [email hidden] wrote:

    :: The moral of the article appears to be that you should review the
    :: credentials of your bariatric surgeon before getting the surgery,
    :: since the original low mortality rates were those of the best
    :: surgeons.

    If everyone follows this advice then the surgeries will go away become no
    new people will get trained.

    Apprenticeships circumvent this issue. Assist in a
    couple of dozen procedures, then have the senior
    surgeon be there to surpervise a couple of dozen
    procedures, and you have someone with over 40
    procedures worth of experience. Surgery is not a
    solo job.

    Quoted message said:

    :: I think, in the nearish term (next three years) you are going to see
    :: more of a total quality / disclosure movement in the health care
    :: industry in the US. Doctors and hospitals have been very reluctant to
    :: do so, but I think mounting pressure and stories like this will
    :: probably force the AMA to get into some kind of rating system for
    :: surgeons and hospitals that goes beyond the current heart health
    :: rankings. You'd think that the nation that spends the most on
    :: healthcare, per capita, and the nation that drives the most
    :: innovation in same would have had some kind of total quality
    :: management movement years ago, particularly when faced with middle
    :: of the industrial world healthcare outcomes.

    It will never happen. Such ratings would be career killers or they'd be
    complete shams. The key is to enforce rigorous standards and to revoke
    licences for too many failures within a certain period. You can't brand
    people & institutions like that.

    They said that in California when restaurants were
    required to post the letter grades from their most
    recent inspection. There was an outcry among
    restaurant owners that many would go out of business.
    Far fewer when out of business than claimed, but the
    cleanliness level in restaurants shot up dramatically.

    States with a similar system for results of schools
    will likely have the same to report.

    It might never happen, but if it did happen I would
    expect the result to track what happened to restaurants
    in California. I seriously want Illinois to start
    doing that. Seeing an A, B, C or locked door leaves
    me much better informed than seeing no report until
    the day the health department locks the door.

  7. Doug Freyburger wrote:
    :: [email hidden] wrote:
    :::
    :::
    http://www.newsday.com/news/health/ny-hssurg1019,0,5888931.story?coll=ny-health-big-pix
    :::
    ::: Medicare patients who undergo weight-loss surgery face a
    ::: considerably higher risk of death than has been reported for other
    ::: patients in previous studies, with 2 percent dying within 30 days
    ::: of surgery and almost 5 percent dying within a year, a study of
    ::: Medicare patients of all ages found. Risks were amplified for men,
    ::: those over 65 and patients whose surgeons were less experienced in
    ::: such surgery.
    ::
    :: ...
    ::
    :: I'd like to see the numbers for folks who qualify for the
    :: surgery but decide against. I doubt it's anything like 5%
    :: dead a year later.

    Yeah, just think about all of the people you've know for years who are 100
    lbs or more overweight. If they had the surgery the first year they were
    overweight, they'd likely increase the chances of dying. If they wait years
    and years, and get older, their odds of dying due to overweight go up, but
    so do their chances of dying from this kind of surgery. Really kinda scary
    odds....

    ::
    :: Talk about a "kill or cure" that isn't even necessarily a cure ...

    that's why it's called a "kill or cure". Take your pick.

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