weld a cracked frame? dangerous? salvage?

claim a warranty. 15k miles is nothing for a waterford.

do /not/ tig that crack. get the lug & tube replaced properly.

this is what warranty's are for!

BVM said:

I cracked a Waterford X-11 that had only about 10,000 - 15,000 miles over 2.5 years. It cracked at
the top edge of the lug above the BB and broke all the way through. It looks like it could just be
arc welded and the frame could still be used as a backup. But maybe the metal is too stressed out
already. I am over 200 pounds, am a former BMXer, and have cracked frames before. I got the
frameset on sale. I'm not that inclined to claim a warranty, because I crack frames maybe every
2-3 years.

Any suggestions on what to do with it?

BVM said:

I cracked a Waterford X-11 that had only about 10,000 - 15,000 miles over 2.5 years. It cracked at
the top edge of the lug above the BB and broke all the way through. It looks like it could just be
arc welded and the frame could still be used as a backup. But maybe the metal is too stressed out
already. I am over 200 pounds, am a former BMXer, and have cracked frames before. I got the
frameset on sale. I'm not that inclined to claim a warranty, because I crack frames maybe every
2-3 years.

I wouldn't try to arc weld this. I've tried that sort of repair in the past and it doesn't last. It
might be possible to braze an external sleeve around the tube and lug, I suppose.

If it was my frame, I'd contact Waterford. They could replace the seat tube entirely and repaint the
frame; it'd be good as new then. Waterfords are silver brazed and this sort of repair is very
feasible. I dunno what they'd charge you for it, but it's worth getting an estimate.

In article said:

I cracked a Waterford X-11 that had only about 10,000 - 15,000 miles over 2.5 years. It cracked at
the top edge of the lug above the BB and broke all the way through. It looks like it could just be
arc welded and the frame could still be used as a backup. But maybe the metal is too stressed out
already. I am over 200 pounds, am a former BMXer, and have cracked frames before. I got the
frameset on sale. I'm not that inclined to claim a warranty, because I crack frames maybe every
2-3 years.

Any suggestions on what to do with it?

I would still try a warranty claim unless you really think you abused it. Just being 200 pounds is
not enough. The repair you propose is unlikely to result in a bike you could still ride, given that
it blew up under you already.

--Paul

Quoted message said:

I cracked a Waterford X-11 that had only about 10,000 - 15,000 miles over 2.5 years. It cracked at
the top edge of the lug above the BB and broke all the way through. It looks like it could just be
arc welded and the frame could still be used as a backup. But maybe the metal is too stressed out
already. I am over 200 pounds, am a former BMXer, and have cracked frames before. I got the
frameset on sale. I'm not that inclined to claim a warranty, because I crack frames maybe every
2-3 years.

Any suggestions on what to do with it?

#1: Even if it's not covered by Waterford's warranty, they may offer a
reduced-price repair. I would not recommend any sort of home-brew repair job, and am also curious
why you wouldn't be inclined to claim a warranty, unless there was some obvious damage due to a
crash. Neither the time frame nor mileage given sound like something you should expect from a
quality frameset, regardless of material (with the possible exception of some of the new
stupid-light frames being built with one-year warranties).

#2: You're in danger of being banned from newsgroups; owners of steel
frames aren't allowed to mention that they failed. Such liberties are allowed only for those owners
of carbon & aluminum frames. Ti frames owners tread a fine line in such matters. :>😉

For what it's worth, I went to Waterford's website (www.Waterfordbikes.com) and couldn't find any
info on warranty. It was probably right under my nose...

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles chainreactionbicycles.comchainreactionbicycles.comOpen ↗

From the website:

Waterford Forever Frameset Warranty Waterford Precision Cycles, Inc. ("Waterford"😉 warrants against
all defects in material or workmanship for Waterford Framesets sold by Waterford or through its
authorized dealers without a time limit. This warranty does not cover normal wear and tear, normal
maintenance items or any damage, failure or loss caused by:

1. Accident, misuse, neglect, abuse or improper maintenance.

2. Use of the product for stunt riding, ramp jumping, acrobatics, competition or similar activities.

3. Structural modifications made by anyone other than Waterford Precision Cycles.

4. Failure to follow instructions or warnings in the owner's manual.

This Warranty is applicable to the original purchaser of the frameset only.

This Warranty does not cover separately sold products.

Waterford will, at its option, repair or replace a defective product. Dealer labor charges are not
covered by this warranty.

Waterford is not liable for incidental or consequential damages. Repair or replacement of defective
products is the sole remedy under this warranty.

If you elect to repair a damaged or defective Waterford product through a source other than
Waterford then Waterford will not be liable for the defect(s) or damage caused by such repairs.

================

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I cracked a Waterford X-11 that had only about 10,000 - 15,000 miles over 2.5 years. It cracked
at the top edge of the lug above the BB and broke all the way through. It looks like it could
just be arc welded and the frame could still be used as a backup. But maybe the metal is too
stressed out already. I am over 200 pounds, am a former BMXer, and have cracked frames before. I
got the frameset on sale. I'm not that inclined to claim a warranty, because I crack frames
maybe every 2-3 years.

Any suggestions on what to do with it?

#1: Even if it's not covered by Waterford's warranty, they may offer a
reduced-price repair. I would not recommend any sort of home-brew repair job, and am also curious
why you wouldn't be inclined to claim a warranty, unless there was some obvious damage due to a
crash. Neither the time

frame

Quoted message said:

nor mileage given sound like something you should expect from a quality frameset, regardless of
material (with the possible exception of some of

the

Quoted message said:

new stupid-light frames being built with one-year warranties).

#2: You're in danger of being banned from newsgroups; owners of steel
frames aren't allowed to mention that they failed. Such liberties are allowed only for those
owners of carbon & aluminum frames. Ti frames

owners

Quoted message said:

tread a fine line in such matters. :>😉

For what it's worth, I went to Waterford's website

(www.Waterfordbikes.com)

Quoted message said:

and couldn't find any info on warranty. It was probably right under my nose...

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Got it. Didn't think that it would be in the "owners manual" section, but that kinda makes sense.
Still, if you're going to have a decent warranty (which they do), why not make it more obvious? It
is, after all, a selling point.

As for the original poster, I'm still not sure why he wouldn't try to have it covered under
warranty. Of course, there is the infamous list of exclusions in section #2, including any use in
"competition." I haven't looked closely; could be my beloved TREKs have the same thing.

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"frank121" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:p5Akb.3322$B_2.374@okepread02...

Quoted message said:

From the website:

Waterford Forever Frameset Warranty Waterford Precision Cycles, Inc. ("Waterford"😉 warrants
against all

defects

Quoted message said:

in material or workmanship for Waterford Framesets sold by Waterford or through its authorized
dealers without a time limit. This warranty does

not

Quoted message said:

cover normal wear and tear, normal maintenance items or any damage,

failure

Quoted message said:

or loss caused by:

1. Accident, misuse, neglect, abuse or improper maintenance.

2. Use of the product for stunt riding, ramp jumping, acrobatics, competition or similar
activities.

3. Structural modifications made by anyone other than Waterford Precision Cycles.

4. Failure to follow instructions or warnings in the owner's manual.

This Warranty is applicable to the original purchaser of the frameset

only.

Quoted message said:

This Warranty does not cover separately sold products.

Waterford will, at its option, repair or replace a defective product.

Dealer

Quoted message said:

labor charges are not covered by this warranty.

Waterford is not liable for incidental or consequential damages. Repair or replacement of
defective products is the sole remedy under this warranty.

If you elect to repair a damaged or defective Waterford product through a source other than
Waterford then Waterford will not be liable for the defect(s) or damage caused by such repairs.

================

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I cracked a Waterford X-11 that had only about 10,000 - 15,000 miles over 2.5 years. It
cracked at the top edge of the lug above the BB and broke all the way through. It looks like
it could just be arc welded and the frame could still be used as a backup. But maybe the metal
is too stressed out already. I am over 200 pounds, am a former BMXer, and have cracked frames
before. I got the frameset on sale. I'm not that inclined to claim a warranty, because I crack
frames maybe every 2-3 years.

Any suggestions on what to do with it?

#1: Even if it's not covered by Waterford's warranty, they may offer a
reduced-price repair. I would not recommend any sort of home-brew

repair

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

job, and am also curious why you wouldn't be inclined to claim a

warranty,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

unless there was some obvious damage due to a crash. Neither the time

frame

Quoted message said:

nor mileage given sound like something you should expect from a quality frameset, regardless of
material (with the possible exception of some of

the

Quoted message said:

new stupid-light frames being built with one-year warranties).

#2: You're in danger of being banned from newsgroups; owners of steel
frames aren't allowed to mention that they failed. Such liberties are allowed only for those
owners of carbon & aluminum frames. Ti frames

owners

Quoted message said:

tread a fine line in such matters. :>😉

For what it's worth, I went to Waterford's website

(www.Waterfordbikes.com)

Quoted message said:

and couldn't find any info on warranty. It was probably right under my nose...

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FYI, it is covered under warranty. I will report the outcome to the ng.

I'll post Waterford's response to my frame failure.

frank121 said:

From the website:

Waterford Forever Frameset Warranty Waterford Precision Cycles, Inc. ("Waterford"😉 warrants against
all defects in material or workmanship for Waterford Framesets sold by Waterford or through its
authorized dealers without a time limit. This warranty does not cover normal wear and tear, normal
maintenance items or any damage, failure or loss caused by:

1. Accident, misuse, neglect, abuse or improper maintenance.

2. Use of the product for stunt riding, ramp jumping, acrobatics, competition or similar
activities.

3. Structural modifications made by anyone other than Waterford Precision Cycles.

4. Failure to follow instructions or warnings in the owner's manual.

This Warranty is applicable to the original purchaser of the frameset only.

This Warranty does not cover separately sold products.

Waterford will, at its option, repair or replace a defective product. Dealer labor charges are not
covered by this warranty.

Waterford is not liable for incidental or consequential damages. Repair or replacement of defective
products is the sole remedy under this warranty.

If you elect to repair a damaged or defective Waterford product through a source other than
Waterford then Waterford will not be liable for the defect(s) or damage caused by such repairs.

================

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I cracked a Waterford X-11 that had only about 10,000 - 15,000 miles over 2.5 years. It cracked
at the top edge of the lug above the BB and broke all the way through. It looks like it could
just be arc welded and the frame could still be used as a backup. But maybe the metal is too
stressed out already. I am over 200 pounds, am a former BMXer, and have cracked frames before.
I got the frameset on sale. I'm not that inclined to claim a warranty, because I crack frames
maybe every 2-3 years.

Any suggestions on what to do with it?

#1: Even if it's not covered by Waterford's warranty, they may offer a
reduced-price repair. I would not recommend any sort of home-brew repair job, and am also curious
why you wouldn't be inclined to claim a warranty, unless there was some obvious damage due to a
crash. Neither the time

frame

Quoted message said:

nor mileage given sound like something you should expect from a quality frameset, regardless of
material (with the possible exception of some of

the

Quoted message said:

new stupid-light frames being built with one-year warranties).

#2: You're in danger of being banned from newsgroups; owners of steel
frames aren't allowed to mention that they failed. Such liberties are allowed only for those
owners of carbon & aluminum frames. Ti frames

owners

Quoted message said:

tread a fine line in such matters. :>😉

For what it's worth, I went to Waterford's website

(www.Waterfordbikes.com)

Quoted message said:

and couldn't find any info on warranty. It was probably right under my nose...

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles chainreactionbicycles.comchainreactionbicycles.comOpen ↗