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  1. "Being a skeptical soul, I have always believed that the
    most reliable way to determine what people really believe is
    to observe what they do, not what they say. If the greatest
    threat of rubella is not to children, but to the fetus yet
    unborn, pregnant women should be protected against rubella
    by making certain that their obstetricians won't give them
    the disease. Yet, in a California survey reported in the
    Journal of the American Medical Association, more than 90
    percent of the obstetrician-gynecologists refused to be
    vaccinated. If doctors themselves are afraid of the vaccine,
    why on earth should the law require that you and other
    parents allow them to administer it to your kids?"--Dr
    Robert Mendelsohn MD

    Is 90% statistically signifigant?

  2. (KyroDoc) said:

    "Being a skeptical soul, I have always believed that the
    most reliable way to determine what people really believe
    is to observe what they do, not what they say. If the
    greatest threat of rubella is not to children, but to the
    fetus yet unborn, pregnant women should be protected
    against rubella by making certain that their obstetricians
    won't give them the disease. Yet, in a California survey
    reported in the Journal of the American Medical
    Association, more than 90 percent of the obstetrician-
    gynecologists refused to be vaccinated. If doctors
    themselves are afraid of the vaccine, why on earth should
    the law require that you and other parents allow them to
    administer it to your kids?"--Dr Robert Mendelsohn MD

    Is 90% statistically signifigant?

    No, because this claim that "more than 90 percent" of
    ob-gyns in California "refused" to be vaccinated is
    utter [censored].

    PF

  3. "KyroDoc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    ,,,Dr Robert Mendelsohn MD

    Quoted message said:


    ... died in 1988.

    Also, stating a "statistic" without saying where the
    original data come from is meaningless.

  4. KyroDoc said:

    "Being a skeptical soul, I have always believed that the
    most reliable way to determine what people really believe
    is to observe what they do, not what they say. If the
    greatest threat of rubella is not to children, but to the
    fetus yet unborn, pregnant women should be protected
    against rubella by making certain that their obstetricians
    won't give them the disease. Yet, in a California survey
    reported in the Journal of the American Medical
    Association, more than 90 percent of the obstetrician-
    gynecologists refused to be vaccinated. If doctors
    themselves are afraid of the vaccine, why on earth should
    the law require that you and other parents allow them to
    administer it to your kids?"--Dr Robert Mendelsohn MD

    Is 90% statistically signifigant?

    Actually the question "Is 90% statistically significant?" is
    meaningless. I'll post the actual abstract that seems to be
    referred to in this quotation and why don't you honestly
    post whether you think this information from 1981 is of any
    relevance to anything:

    JAMA. 1981 Feb 20;245(7):711-3. Related Articles, Links

    Rubella vaccine and susceptible hospital employees. Poor
    physician participation.

    Orenstein WA, Heseltine PN, LeGagnoux SJ, Portnoy B.

    A serosurvey of 2,456 high-risk employees of the Los
    Angeles County-University of Southern California Medical
    Center showed that 345 (14%) were susceptible to rubella.
    Of 197 seronegative personnel followed up for participation
    in a vaccination program, 105 (53.3%) were vaccinated.
    However, only one of the 11 known susceptible obstetrician-
    gynecologists was vaccinated. Thirty-eight seronegative
    employees who were vaccinated with RA 27/3 rubella vaccine
    were queried four to six weeks after vaccination and
    compared with 32 unvaccinated seropositive control
    subjects. Although the reaction rate was 50% among
    vaccinees and 3% among control subjects, each vaccinee lost
    only an average of 0.2 workdays compared with 0.1 workdays
    for control subjects. The high rate of susceptibility to
    rubella among hospital employees supports the need for
    screening. Although vaccine reactions are common, they are
    generally mild. Means must be found to ensure greater
    employee acceptance of vaccine.

    PMID: 7463660 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

    So to ask this another way, do you believe it is significant
    that in 1981 they could only get one out of eleven
    obstetricians who had not already been vaccinated to show up
    for vaccination.

    Note that the above quote from Dr. Mendelsohn is a complete
    distortion of what the study showed. It did not find that
    more than 90& of obstetricians in California refused
    vaccination. It dealt only with eleven obstetricians in
    California who presumably had already neither been
    vaccinated nor developed natural immunity to rubella.

    --
    David Rind [email hidden]

  5. "David Rind" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    KyroDoc said:

    "Being a skeptical soul, I have always believed that the
    most reliable


    way to

    Quoted message said:
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    determine what people really believe is to observe what
    they do, not


    what they

    Quoted message said:
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    say. If the greatest threat of rubella is not to
    children, but to the


    fetus yet

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    unborn, pregnant women should be protected against
    rubella by making


    certain

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that their obstetricians won't give them the disease.
    Yet, in a


    California

    Quoted message said:
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    survey reported in the Journal of the American Medical
    Association, more


    than

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    90 percent of the obstetrician-gynecologists refused to
    be vaccinated.


    If

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    doctors themselves are afraid of the vaccine, why on
    earth should the


    law

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    require that you and other parents allow them to
    administer it to your kids?"--Dr Robert Mendelsohn MD

    Is 90% statistically signifigant?

    Actually the question "Is 90% statistically significant?"
    is meaningless. I'll post the actual abstract that seems
    to be referred to in this quotation and why don't you
    honestly post whether you think this information from 1981
    is of any relevance to anything:

    JAMA. 1981 Feb 20;245(7):711-3. Related Articles, Links

    Rubella vaccine and susceptible hospital employees. Poor
    physician participation.

    Orenstein WA, Heseltine PN, LeGagnoux SJ, Portnoy B.

    A serosurvey of 2,456 high-risk employees of the Los
    Angeles County-University of Southern California Medical
    Center showed that 345 (14%) were susceptible to rubella.
    Of 197 seronegative personnel followed up for
    participation in a vaccination program, 105 (53.3%) were
    vaccinated. However, only one of the 11 known susceptible
    obstetrician-gynecologists was vaccinated. Thirty-eight
    seronegative employees who were vaccinated with RA 27/3
    rubella vaccine were queried four to six weeks after
    vaccination and compared with 32 unvaccinated seropositive
    control subjects. Although the reaction rate was 50% among
    vaccinees and 3% among control subjects, each vaccinee
    lost only an average of 0.2 workdays compared with 0.1
    workdays for control subjects. The high rate of
    susceptibility to rubella among hospital employees
    supports the need for screening. Although vaccine
    reactions are common, they are generally mild. Means must
    be found to ensure greater employee acceptance of vaccine.

    PMID: 7463660 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

    So to ask this another way, do you believe it is
    significant that in 1981 they could only get one out of
    eleven obstetricians who had not already been vaccinated
    to show up for vaccination.

    Note that the above quote from Dr. Mendelsohn is a
    complete distortion of what the study showed. It did not
    find that more than 90& of obstetricians in California
    refused vaccination. It dealt only with eleven
    obstetricians in California who presumably had already
    neither been vaccinated nor developed natural immunity to
    rubella.

    An interesting example of the kind of intellectual honesty
    we can expect from Kryodoc. But, perhaps we should give him
    the benefit of a doubt and assume instead that he just
    doesn't have the intellect to evaluate medical literature
    critically. Whichever, can we extrapolate and extend that
    example to all of chiropractic? Well, using his method of
    statistical evaluation, I think that's reasonable.

    HMc

  6. (KyroDoc) said:

    ...and for the record, critical medical intellect has
    produced halcion and thalidamide and baycol, thyroid
    radiation for kids and and and.....

    ..chiropractic.

  7. "Griffin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:2004052722593043658%nospam@herenet...

    Quoted message said:

    On 2004-05-27 08:38:29 -0400, [email hidden]

    (KyroDoc) said:

    ...and for the record, critical medical intellect has
    produced halcion


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    thalidamide and baycol, thyroid radiation for kids and
    and and.....

    ..chiropractic.

    What in the world does intellect of any kind have to do with
    chiropractic?

    HMc

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