Went veggie: Triglycerides doubled?

It could be a mistake. I would have the test done over again
if you are worried.

Ora

(Pete Cresswell) said:

I tried going veggie in mid-January.

Just got my lipid profile and, to my consternation, LDL is
up a couple of points and triglycerides have almost doubled
from 170 to 303.

It's not all bad - during the same period, my belt went in
one notch and I lost 9 pounds. Also my BP was the lowest so
far. 122/77.

But the tryglycerides have got me worried. I've heard that
this is not the most precise/reliable test around, so am
thinking of repeating it before changing my diet again.

Any thoughts?

The metabolic syndrom is often revealed by those kind of
trig numbers, insulin resistence is often increased also.
One thumbnail measure of insulin resistence is the ratio of
the trig/hdl numbers. A number of 3 or lower is good. With
an over 300 trig your insulin resistence is likely high and
another marker of metabolic syndrom. Large amounts of
refined grain products, ie. white rice, pasta, breads and
pastries, etc. can contribute to a high trig. On a veggie
only diet the impulse is to eat such carb sources in place
of unsaturated fats and proteins, the latter often being
obtained by eating beans and other such higher protein
foods, which also contribute to the carb picture. Lots of
sweets often go with a high trig number too. That high a
number should be a red flag to your doc to consider
metabolic syndrom, which leads in it's progressive way to
all manner of chronic diseases including diabetes and heart
disease etc. and is best headed off in an early stage. Most
common also is a body mass index of over 25,ie. overweight
which contributes in a major way to the syndrom. Low levels
of exercise only multiplies the potential risk factors for
the syndrom. Talk to yyour doc about this. A veggie only
diet might not be the best approach for you just now.

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I tried going veggie in mid-January.

Just got my lipid profile and, to my consternation, LDL is
up a couple of point s and triglycerides have almost
doubled from 170 to 303.

It's not all bad - during the same period, my belt went in
one notch and I lost 9 pounds. Also my BP was the lowest so
far. 122/77.

But the tryglycerides have got me worried. I've heard that
this is not the most precise/reliable test around, so am
thinking of repeating it before changing my diet again.

Any thoughts?
--
PeteCresswelo is a body mass index number of over 25,ie.
being over

weight, the more the worst it contributes to the syndrom.
Discuss this with your doc.

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The metabolic syndrom is often revealed by those kind of
trig numbers, insulin resistence is often increased also.
One thumbnail measure of insulin resistence is the ratio
of the trig/hdl numbers. A number of 3 or lower is good.
With an over 300 trig your insulin resistence is likely
high and another marker of metabolic syndrom. Large
amounts of refined grain products, ie. white rice, pasta,
breads and pastries, etc. can contribute to a high trig.
On a veggie only diet the impulse is to eat such carb
sources in place of unsaturated fats and proteins, the
latter often being obtained by eating beans and other such
higher protein foods, which also contribute to the carb
picture. Lots of sweets often go with a high trig number
too. That high a number should be a red flag to your doc
to consider metabolic syndrom, which leads in it's
progressive way to all manner of chronic diseases
including diabetes and heart disease etc. and is best
headed off in an early stage. Most common also is a body
mass index of over 25,ie. overweight which contributes in
a major way to the syndrom. Low levels of exercise only
multiplies the potential risk factors for the syndrom.
Talk to yyour doc about this. A veggie only diet might not
be the best approach for you just now.

Well-done IMO.

-Chad

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I tried going veggie in mid-January.

Just got my lipid profile and, to my consternation, LDL is
up a couple of points and triglycerides have almost
doubled from 170 to 303.

It's not all bad - during the same period, my belt went in
one notch and I lost 9 pounds. Also my BP was the lowest
so far. 122/77.

But the tryglycerides have got me worried. I've heard that
this is not the most precise/reliable test around, so am
thinking of repeating it before changing my diet again.

Any thoughts?

Ok, here is a chance for an interesting experiment. Continue
on the vegetarian diet as long as you are comfortable doing
so. Keep monitoring your weight and blood lipids. Also note
how you feel in general in terms of energy and wellness.
When you have had enough or when you are ready to try
something else, go on a low-carb diet. I recommend the Zone
diet. Keep monitoring your weight, your lipids and how you
feel. I'm willing to bet that on the low-carb diet you will
lose weight, your lipids will improve significantly and you
will feel much much better.

A diet high in refined carbs will cause more problems with
tryglycerides than a diet high in fats.

TC

It's pretty clear to me that once this test's numbers
are replicated, my brief veggie career is over. It's a
little bit of a shame because I was really getting to
enjoy the food...

However it isn't a religious issue - was just looking
for a simple
(i.e. minimal number of rules) way to lose some weight and
*maybe* act as a segue into Orinish's program.

At the risk of becoming a tarbaby, could you give a few
words on what "metabolic syndrome" is? My late brother's
triglycerides were well over 1,000 towards the end - by his
account, the highest that particular laboratory had ever
measured....so maybe there is a genetic factor...

The syndrom has symptoms of a cluster of risk factors. Early
on they are overweight, sedentary lifestyle, high trigs,
high after meal insulin and glucose swings and increased
insulin resistence. One typical body change is increased fat
storage in the belly area,ie. a pot belly.

Later on it can lead to high ldl and low hdl numbers, high
blood pressure, and even greater post meal insulin and
glucose swings and insulin resistence.

Many then proceed to diabetes where insulin resistence is
very high and the body can't make or use enough insulin to
keep blood glucose in balance. Usually heart disease comes
even if not diabetes and stroke risk rises.

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At the risk of becoming a tarbaby, could you give a few
words on what "metabolic syndrome" is? My late brother's
triglycerides were well over 1,000 towards the end - by his
account, the highest that particular laboratory had ever
measured....so maybe there is a genetic factor...

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late brother's triglycerides were well

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over 1,000 towards the end - by his account, the highest
that particular laboratory had ever measured....so maybe
there is a genetic factor...

Or maybe you're both genetically super sensitive to
refined carbs? What kinds of foods did he eat?

-Chad

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It could be a mistake.

Doubt it.

-Chad

RE/

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Or maybe you're both genetically super sensitive to
refined carbs? What kinds of foods did he eat?

Not known, but he was in medical school for the last 4 years
of his life - so his diet probably wasn't the best.
--
PeteCresswell

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It's pretty clear to me that once this test's numbers
are replicated, my brief veggie career is over. It's a
little bit of a shame because I was really getting to
enjoy the food...

However it isn't a religious issue - was just looking for
a simple
(i.e. minimal number of rules) way to lose some weight and
*maybe* act as a segue into Orinish's program.

At the risk of becoming a tarbaby, could you give a few
words on what "metabolic syndrome" is? My late brother's
triglycerides were well over 1,000 towards the end - by
his account, the highest that particular laboratory had
ever measured....so maybe there is a genetic factor...

The metabolic syndrome describes a cluster of symptoms,
including high blood pressure, high triglycerides, decreased
HDL and obesity, which tend to appear together in some
individuals and increase their risk for diabetes and heart
disease and insulin resistance.

Metabolic syndrome is directly connected to excessive
intake of refined carbs. As you consume too many refined
carbs over a period of time, you will gain some fat,
specifically around the mid section. Your triglycerides
levels will go up. Your cholesterol counts will be out of
whack. Your risk of heart disease will increase as your
arteries build up plaque.

You will become insulin resistant because the high blood
glucose levels kills the insulin receptor cells. Since you
are insuulin resistant, your pancreas will have to put out
so much insulin over a period of years, the pancreas will
burn out and will no longer produce insulin, you will then
be diabetic and will have to take insulin for the rest of
your life.

If you follow the American Diabetes Association recommended
diet, you will get worse and eventually become a full blown
diabetic. If you start eating a sensible low-carb diet, you
will lose weight and your blood lipids will go back to
normal and your insulin receptors will recover, in time.

TC

All of the below has some truth, but explanations of why the
syndrom starts and proceeds is off. The best way to avoid it
is to not be overweight and not be sedentary. In the same
population those who are not overweight, as measured by the
body mass index of being over 25, and are not sedentary
don't get the syndrom. Even in areas,ex. asia, where most
food is from carbs the above remains the case. Don't overeat
and exercise and your blood lipids and glucose levels
willn't go out of wack. Excess intake ofsaturated fats are
thought by some to be involved also in the above pattern.

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Metabolic syndrome is directly connected to excessive
intake of refined carbs. As you consume too many refined
carbs over a period of time, you will gain some fat,
specifically around the mid section. Your triglycerides
levels will go up. Your cholesterol counts will be out of
whack. Your risk of heart disease will increase as your
arteries build up plaque.

You will become insulin resistant because the high blood
glucose levels kills the insulin receptor cells. Since you
are insuulin resistant, your pancreas will have to put out
so much insulin over a period of years, the pancreas will
burn out and will no longer produce insulin, you will then
be diabetic and will have to take insulin for the rest of
your life.

If you follow the American Diabetes Association recommended
diet, you will get worse and eventually become a full blown
diabetic. If you start eating a sensible low-carb diet, you
will lose weight and your blood lipids will go back to
normal and your insulin receptors will recover, in time.

TC

(Pete Cresswell) said:

I tried going veggie in mid-January.

Just got my lipid profile and, to my consternation, LDL is
up a couple of points and triglycerides have almost doubled
from 170 to 303.

It's not all bad - during the same period, my belt went in
one notch and I lost 9 pounds. Also my BP was the lowest so
far. 122/77.

But the tryglycerides have got me worried. I've heard that
this is not the most precise/reliable test around, so am
thinking of repeating it before changing my diet again.

Any thoughts?

Blood type O and occassinally B people will exhibit this
result of going to a vegetarian high starch/high carbo
(especially wheat/potato/corn) based diet.

steve

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(Pete Cresswell) said:

I tried going veggie in mid-January.

Just got my lipid profile and, to my consternation, LDL
is up a couple of

points

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and triglycerides have almost doubled from 170 to 303.

It's not all bad - during the same period, my belt went
in one notch and

I lost

Quoted message said:

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9 pounds. Also my BP was the lowest so far. 122/77.

But the tryglycerides have got me worried. I've heard
that this is not the most precise/reliable test
around, so am thinking of repeating it before changing
my diet again.

Any thoughts?

Blood type O and occassinally B people will exhibit this
result of going to a vegetarian high starch/high carbo
(especially wheat/potato/corn) based diet.

steve

Type A's have higher cholesterol levels and lipid problems
compared to type O's. Intestinal alkaline phosphatase in
elevated in serum after a meal in type O's after a meal
which is somehow related to this difference. Blood types add
nothing to the understanding because it is not the blood
type that is the specific culprit and it is too broad to use
as a marker for anything.

What about all the other hundred blood types you listed
before? Where do they come in this time?

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(Pete Cresswell) said:

I tried going veggie in mid-January.

Just got my lipid profile and, to my consternation, LDL
is up a couple

of

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points

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and triglycerides have almost doubled from 170 to 303.

It's not all bad - during the same period, my belt went
in one notch

and

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I lost

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9 pounds. Also my BP was the lowest so far. 122/77.

But the tryglycerides have got me worried. I've heard
that this is not the most precise/reliable test around,
so am thinking of repeating it before changing my diet
again.

Any thoughts?

Blood type O and occassinally B people will exhibit this
result of going to a vegetarian high starch/high carbo
(especially wheat/potato/corn) based diet.

steve

Type A's have higher cholesterol levels and lipid problems
compared to

type

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O's. Intestinal alkaline phosphatase in elevated in serum
after a meal in type O's after a meal which is somehow
related to this difference. Blood types add nothing to the
understanding because it is not the blood type that is the
specific culprit and it is too broad to use as a marker

for

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anything.

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What about all the other hundred blood types you listed
before? Where do they come in this time?

You will have to pay for my book after I write down all
these non-specific symptoms that people have and relate them
to blood types. Example if you are type O or type A you will
have trouble walking up in the morning and you have a
tendency to sleep in. If you are one of these blood types
you want to drink coffee in the morning. After I am finished
with that one I will write one on the psychology of all the
blood types. If you don't believe me then I will get plenty
of testimonials from people in which drinking coffee helped
them. I will only use the other blood types if the ABO
doesn't match and that gives me an excuse as to why it
didn't. In this example by Steve if I am type A and not type
O but still get a high trig on a high starch/high carbo diet
then it must be one of those other blood types causing that.
Got all bases covered.

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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 00:24:26 GMT, "(Pete Cresswell)"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>I tried going veggie in mid-January.
>
>Just got my lipid profile and, to my consternation,
>LDL is up a

couple

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of

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points

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>and triglycerides have almost doubled from 170 to
>303.
>
>It's not all bad - during the same period, my belt
>went in one notch

and

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I lost

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>9 pounds. Also my BP was the lowest so far. 122/77.
>
>But the tryglycerides have got me worried. I've heard
>that this is not the most precise/reliable test
>around, so am thinking of repeating it before
>changing my diet again.
>
>Any thoughts?

Blood type O and occassinally B people will exhibit
this result of going to a vegetarian high starch/high
carbo (especially wheat/potato/corn) based diet.

steve

Type A's have higher cholesterol levels and lipid
problems compared to

type

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O's. Intestinal alkaline phosphatase in elevated in
serum after a meal in

type

Quoted message said:

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O's after a meal which is somehow related to this
difference. Blood types add nothing to the understanding
because it is not the blood type that is the specific
culprit and it is too broad to use as a marker

for

Quoted message said:

anything.

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"Pizza Gurl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4-
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What about all the other hundred blood types you listed
before? Where do they come in this time?

You will have to pay for my book after I write down all
these non-specific symptoms that people have and relate
them to blood types. Example if you are type O or type A
you will have trouble walking up in the morning and you
have a tendency to sleep in. If you are one of these blood
types you want to drink coffee in the morning. After I am
finished with that one I will write one on the psychology
of all the blood types. If you don't believe me then I
will get plenty of testimonials from people in which
drinking coffee helped them. I will only use the other
blood types if the ABO doesn't match and that gives me an
excuse as to why it didn't. In this example by Steve if I
am type A and not type O but still get a high trig on a
high starch/high carbo diet then it must be one of those
other blood types causing that. Got all bases covered.

Make sure you have a chapter on astrology, esp and how
to turn lead into gold. Sounds like a veritable font
of science.

TC

(Pete Cresswell) said:

Went veggie: Triglycerides doubled?

Well, I went low carb and my triglycerides fell sharply, so
I'd not be surprised if going high carb increases them.

I recognize that this is anecdotal....

I had a routine blood test that found my triglyceride
level to be very high. I asked my doctor why. He said
that I probably had a pat or two of butter. But the
doctor was in error.

I happened to be keeping a personal food diary at the time.
According to the journal my intake of dietary fat was less
than 10%, very low fat.

The high triglycerides were due probably to the meal of
cherries, peaches and Gatorade=AE that I had eaten before
the doctor visit. I also drank some coffee with dextrose*
and no creamer.

High carbohydrate intake and caffeine can raise laboratory
blood triglyceride levels in spite of a very low-fat diet.

*[the dextrose I used was purchased from a beer/wine making
supply business and was marketed as "corn sugar"]

Sub C=F8dex

Many people can't follow their doctor's instructions before
the blood tests. Most people want accurate tests that mean
something. Apparently you didn't think them important.

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3258.bay.webtv.net... I had a routine blood test that found
my triglyceride level to be very high. I asked my doctor
why. He said that I probably had a pat or two of butter. But
the doctor was in error.

I happened to be keeping a personal food diary at the time.
According to the journal my intake of dietary fat was less
than 10%, very low fat.

The high triglycerides were due probably to the meal of
cherries, peaches and Gatorade® that I had eaten before the
doctor visit. I also drank some coffee with dextrose* and
no creamer.

High carbohydrate intake and caffeine can raise laboratory
blood triglyceride levels in spite of a very low-fat diet.

*[the dextrose I used was purchased from a beer/wine making
supply business and was marketed as "corn sugar"]

Sub Cødex