what am i doing wrong

"jas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

hi,
i have an avanti mountain bike, currently with massive off road
tyres.....the slicks are in the shed.
i enjoy going for a 1 hour cycle every now and then. However....i find
that cycling does not keep my heart rate high enough. i would prefer to
finsh a cycle as if i'd been running...... exhausted......shoud i switch
to a racing bike or back to the slicks or....?
jase

I'd have thought that a mtb with knobbies would be heavier, and have more
wind and rolling resistance than either option.

Maybe...

* pick a better route - ride up more hills?
* push yourself harder
* choose bigger gears (watch your knees!)
* change your gearing so you don't have as many easy gears.
* go further.
* buy a heavier bike - go freeride d00d!
* buy a heart rate monitor and work out what works?

I don't really know, but do I know I can finish a ride at least as buggered
as when I used to run. My mtb with one semi slick is much faster and easier
to ride than my mtb with big fat knobbies. The fact that one's a lightish
hardtail, and ones a big, fat, heavy duallie might have something to do with
it as well... ;^)

I can also do the same rides at a more relaxed pace, and barely raise a
sweat. I need to put in if I want to be knackered.

Tony F

jas said:

hi,
i have an avanti mountain bike, currently with massive off road
tyres.....the slicks are in the shed.
i enjoy going for a 1 hour cycle every now and then. However....i find that
cycling does not keep my heart rate high enough. i would prefer to finsh a
cycle as if i'd been running...... exhausted......shoud i switch to a racing
bike or back to the slicks or....?
jase

All you need to do is drink more coffee before you ride. I did the
river loop last week, average pace wasn't too bad. Then I had two
double shot flat whites. Then my heart was racing and my legs needed to
keep up.

😉

T

quote='Tamyka Bell'jas said:

hi,
i have an avanti mountain bike, currently with massive off road
tyres.....the slicks are in the shed.
i enjoy going for a 1 hour cycle every now and then. However....i find that
cycling does not keep my heart rate high enough. i would prefer to finsh a
cycle as if i'd been running...... exhausted......shoud i switch to a racing
bike or back to the slicks or....?
jase

All you need to do is drink more coffee before you ride. I did the
river loop last week, average pace wasn't too bad. Then I had two
double shot flat whites. Then my heart was racing and my legs needed to
keep up.

😉

T[/QUOTE]

hmmm.. I was going to say: stick to running! 😄

jas said:

hi,
i have an avanti mountain bike, currently with massive off road
tyres.....the slicks are in the shed.
i enjoy going for a 1 hour cycle every now and then. However....i find that
cycling does not keep my heart rate high enough. i would prefer to finsh a
cycle as if i'd been running...... exhausted......shoud i switch to a racing
bike or back to the slicks or....?
jase

Drop down a gear or two and spin. That'll bring your heart rate up.

jas said:

hi,
i have an avanti mountain bike, currently with massive off road
tyres.....the slicks are in the shed.
i enjoy going for a 1 hour cycle every now and then. However....i find that
cycling does not keep my heart rate high enough. i would prefer to finsh a
cycle as if i'd been running...... exhausted......shoud i switch to a racing
bike or back to the slicks or....?
jase

Hill sprints on the MTB.

With a backpack full of bricks.

Keep repeating them, in a harder gear each time until your lunch comes back.

jas said:

hi,
i have an avanti mountain bike, currently with massive off road
tyres.....the slicks are in the shed.
i enjoy going for a 1 hour cycle every now and then. However....i find that
cycling does not keep my heart rate high enough. i would prefer to finsh a
cycle as if i'd been running...... exhausted......shoud i switch to a racing
bike or back to the slicks or....?

Or consider how you're training and what for. If you want to be
panting at the end of a session, all you need to do is sprint on the
bike for 30 seconds at the end.

If yuo want a high heartrate, spin your pedals faster in a low gear.
Tyres don't make any difference, neither will the bike itself (within
reason). What makes your heart beat is intensity of exercise. I can
guarantee that you can be completely stuffed at the end of a 60 minute
ride if you do it at a high enough intensity. You can be stuffed at
the end of 75 seconds if you do it hard enough ....

Bear in mind that a very high heartrate is probably not all that
beneficial, depending on the specific thing you're training for.

quote='Bleve'jas said:

hi,
i have an avanti mountain bike, currently with massive off road
tyres.....the slicks are in the shed.
i enjoy going for a 1 hour cycle every now and then. However....i find that
cycling does not keep my heart rate high enough. i would prefer to finsh a
cycle as if i'd been running...... exhausted......shoud i switch to a racing
bike or back to the slicks or....?

Or consider how you're training and what for. If you want to be
panting at the end of a session, all you need to do is sprint on the
bike for 30 seconds at the end.

If yuo want a high heartrate, spin your pedals faster in a low gear.
Tyres don't make any difference, neither will the bike itself (within
reason). What makes your heart beat is intensity of exercise. I can
guarantee that you can be completely stuffed at the end of a 60 minute
ride if you do it at a high enough intensity. You can be stuffed at
the end of 75 seconds if you do it hard enough ....

Bear in mind that a very high heartrate is probably not all that
beneficial, depending on the specific thing you're training for.[/QUOTE]

or 40 seconds even.... going round in circles!

tony f said:

"jas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

hi,
i have an avanti mountain bike, currently with massive off road
tyres.....the slicks are in the shed.
i enjoy going for a 1 hour cycle every now and then. However....i find
that cycling does not keep my heart rate high enough. i would prefer to
finsh a cycle as if i'd been running...... exhausted......shoud i switch
to a racing bike or back to the slicks or....?
jase

Quoted message said:

* choose bigger gears (watch your knees!)
* change your gearing so you don't have as many easy gears.

I'd do the opposite. Increase your cadence by dropping to an easier
gear. Try riding a good distance (say 20 k's) at a high constant
cadence (90 and above). I try to do 95-100 on my commute. That get's
me fscked! I'm sure a little harder and I'd certainly feel as though
I'd been on a long run.

--
Bean

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jas said:

hi,
i have an avanti mountain bike, currently with massive off road
tyres.....the slicks are in the shed.
i enjoy going for a 1 hour cycle every now and then. However....i find that
cycling does not keep my heart rate high enough. i would prefer to finsh a
cycle as if i'd been running...... exhausted......shoud i switch to a racing
bike or back to the slicks or....?
jase

Sell the motorbike and only use your pushie. Then your general fitness
will go up and you won't feel such a need to lay waste to yourself when
you ride.

On 2006-06-08, Bean Long (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

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tony f said:

"jas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

i enjoy going for a 1 hour cycle every now and then. However....i find
that cycling does not keep my heart rate high enough. i would prefer to

....

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

* choose bigger gears (watch your knees!)
* change your gearing so you don't have as many easy gears.

I'd do the opposite. Increase your cadence by dropping to an easier
gear. Try riding a good distance (say 20 k's) at a high constant
cadence (90 and above). I try to do 95-100 on my commute. That get's
me fscked! I'm sure a little harder and I'd certainly feel as though
I'd been on a long run.

I was able to slightly elevate my heart rate on the second day of a
tour once by putting the cadence up to 180 or so. Wasn't quite so
useful though.

--
TimC

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And here I thought it was the fear of robotic Japanese dogs.
-- Tom "Tom" Harrington

TimC said:

On 2006-06-08, Bean Long (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

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tony f said:

"jas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> i enjoy going for a 1 hour cycle every now and then. However....i find
> that cycling does not keep my heart rate high enough. i would prefer to

...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

* choose bigger gears (watch your knees!)
* change your gearing so you don't have as many easy gears.

I'd do the opposite. Increase your cadence by dropping to an easier
gear. Try riding a good distance (say 20 k's) at a high constant
cadence (90 and above). I try to do 95-100 on my commute. That get's
me fscked! I'm sure a little harder and I'd certainly feel as though
I'd been on a long run.

I was able to slightly elevate my heart rate on the second day of a
tour once by putting the cadence up to 180 or so. Wasn't quite so
useful though.

gross generalisation time :

low cadence works muscle (usual gumby rider does this -far- too much
and wastes a lot of their time with poor fitness gains)
high cadence works aerobic system (heartrate higher!)

You guys know this stuff by now ...

In aus.bicycle on 8 Jun 2006 02:15:51 -0700

Bleve said:

low cadence works muscle (usual gumby rider does this -far- too much
and wastes a lot of their time with poor fitness gains)
high cadence works aerobic system (heartrate higher!)

So pushing hard as I can up hills doing 80-90 works both?

Zebee

Zebee Johnstone said:

In aus.bicycle on 8 Jun 2006 02:15:51 -0700

Bleve said:

low cadence works muscle (usual gumby rider does this -far- too much
and wastes a lot of their time with poor fitness gains)
high cadence works aerobic system (heartrate higher!)

So pushing hard as I can up hills doing 80-90 works both?

Zebee

Yes, because you can never fully isolate either. High cadence is over 100 tho.... but if you are use to grinding out big gears at 75, then even 90 (and sustained 90) will seem high.

TimC said:

On 2006-06-08, Bean Long (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

tony f said:

"jas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> i enjoy going for a 1 hour cycle every now and then. However....i find
> that cycling does not keep my heart rate high enough. i would prefer to

...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

* choose bigger gears (watch your knees!)
* change your gearing so you don't have as many easy gears.

I'd do the opposite. Increase your cadence by dropping to an easier
gear. Try riding a good distance (say 20 k's) at a high constant
cadence (90 and above). I try to do 95-100 on my commute. That get's
me fscked! I'm sure a little harder and I'd certainly feel as though
I'd been on a long run.

I was able to slightly elevate my heart rate on the second day of a
tour once by putting the cadence up to 180 or so. Wasn't quite so
useful though.

I think if I managed to pedal that fast my joints would fall to bits! :-)

--
Bean

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warrwych said:

Zebee Johnstone said:

In aus.bicycle on 8 Jun 2006 02:15:51 -0700

Bleve said:

low cadence works muscle (usual gumby rider does this -far- too much
and wastes a lot of their time with poor fitness gains)
high cadence works aerobic system (heartrate higher!)

So pushing hard as I can up hills doing 80-90 works both?

Zebee

Yes, because you can never fully isolate either. High cadence is over
100 tho.... but if you are use to grinding out big gears at 75, then
even 90 (and sustained 90) will seem high.

I used to be a big gear pusher until I got my new roadie. I decided to
try elevating my cadence and increase my fitness a little rather than
working my legs so hard. I started aiming for a constant cadence around
80 and found it hard to keep it up at first (that's right... I'm no
Lance!). After a few months I find 100 easy to achieve and keep an
average of around 95 on my commute (lately). What I found amazing
though was that just concentrating on my cadence I have pulled my
average speeds up by a few k's an hour (and travel times down) and my
fitness has surely improved. It's also a wonderful feeling passing
everyone in traffic these days rather than the other way around! I'm
hoping to keep the cadence moving up to well over 100 in the next few
months.

Spin, spin, spin!

--
Bean "spinning"

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In aus.bicycle on Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:27:20 +1000

warrwych said:

Zebee Johnstone said:

So pushing hard as I can up hills doing 80-90 works both?

Yes, because you can never fully isolate either. High cadence is over
100 tho.... but if you are use to grinding out big gears at 75, then
even 90 (and sustained 90) will seem high.

my usual is around 90-95. When I go up hills I try to push hard and
keep the 90+ but it usually falls back to 80, once it does that I drop
gears and try and get it up, but it is certainly more satisfying to
push 🙂

Zebee