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RicodJour
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Steady Rollin' Man wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/sep05/sanfrangp05/?id=15-hincapie-IMG_5493
Maybe it's excited...?
R
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/sep05/sanfrangp05/?id=15-hincapie-IMG_5493
Maybe it's excited...?
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B. Lafferty
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"Steady Rollin' Man" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/sep05/sanfrangp05/?id=15-hincapie-IMG_5493
>
Nothing unusual.
news:[email protected]...
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/sep05/sanfrangp05/?id=15-hincapie-IMG_5493
>
Nothing unusual.
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Ewoud Dronkert
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Steady Rollin' Man wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/sep05/sanfrangp05/?id=15-hincapie-IMG_5493
Varicose veins develop when gravity wins from normal valve operation in
smaller superficial veins. That means either the muscles don't help enough
with the returning blood flow, or the valves are too weak, or the blood is
too heavy. So, it's clear photographic evidence of EPO abuse.
--
E. Dronkert
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/sep05/sanfrangp05/?id=15-hincapie-IMG_5493
Varicose veins develop when gravity wins from normal valve operation in
smaller superficial veins. That means either the muscles don't help enough
with the returning blood flow, or the valves are too weak, or the blood is
too heavy. So, it's clear photographic evidence of EPO abuse.
--
E. Dronkert
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Roger Zoul
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Ewoud Dronkert <[email protected]> wrote:
:> Steady Rollin' Man wrote:
:>>
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/sep05/sanfrangp05/?id=15-hincapie-IMG_5493
:>
:> Varicose veins develop when gravity wins from normal valve operation
:> in
:> smaller superficial veins. That means either the muscles don't help
:> enough
:> with the returning blood flow, or the valves are too weak, or the
:> blood is
:> too heavy. So, it's clear photographic evidence of EPO abuse.
:>
I have some varicose veins....but have never used EPO.
:> Steady Rollin' Man wrote:
:>>
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/sep05/sanfrangp05/?id=15-hincapie-IMG_5493
:>
:> Varicose veins develop when gravity wins from normal valve operation
:> in
:> smaller superficial veins. That means either the muscles don't help
:> enough
:> with the returning blood flow, or the valves are too weak, or the
:> blood is
:> too heavy. So, it's clear photographic evidence of EPO abuse.
:>
I have some varicose veins....but have never used EPO.
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Robert Chung
Guest
Roger Zoul wrote:
> Ewoud Dronkert <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Varicose veins develop when gravity wins from normal valve
>>> operation in smaller superficial veins. That means either the
>>> muscles don't help enough with the returning blood flow,
>>> or the valves are too weak, or the blood is too heavy.
>>> So, it's clear photographic evidence of EPO abuse.
> I have some varicose veins....but have never used EPO.
Prove it.
> Ewoud Dronkert <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Varicose veins develop when gravity wins from normal valve
>>> operation in smaller superficial veins. That means either the
>>> muscles don't help enough with the returning blood flow,
>>> or the valves are too weak, or the blood is too heavy.
>>> So, it's clear photographic evidence of EPO abuse.
> I have some varicose veins....but have never used EPO.
Prove it.
S
Steven L. Sheffield
Guest
On 09/05/2005 09:52 AM, in article [email protected], "Steady
Rollin' Man" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/sep05/sanfrangp05/?id=15-hincapie-IMG_549
3
He's becoming Sean Yates.
--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
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ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
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Rollin' Man" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/sep05/sanfrangp05/?id=15-hincapie-IMG_549
3
He's becoming Sean Yates.
--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [foreword] slash
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D. Ferguson
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On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:09:38 +0200, "Robert Chung" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Roger Zoul wrote:
>> Ewoud Dronkert <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Varicose veins develop when gravity wins from normal valve
>>>> operation in smaller superficial veins. That means either the
>>>> muscles don't help enough with the returning blood flow,
>>>> or the valves are too weak, or the blood is too heavy.
>>>> So, it's clear photographic evidence of EPO abuse.
>
>> I have some varicose veins....but have never used EPO.
>
>Prove it.
>
will you marry me?
wrote:
>Roger Zoul wrote:
>> Ewoud Dronkert <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Varicose veins develop when gravity wins from normal valve
>>>> operation in smaller superficial veins. That means either the
>>>> muscles don't help enough with the returning blood flow,
>>>> or the valves are too weak, or the blood is too heavy.
>>>> So, it's clear photographic evidence of EPO abuse.
>
>> I have some varicose veins....but have never used EPO.
>
>Prove it.
>
will you marry me?
R
Roger Zoul
Guest
Robert Chung wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Ewoud Dronkert <[email protected]> wrote:
::::: Varicose veins develop when gravity wins from normal valve
::::: operation in smaller superficial veins. That means either the
::::: muscles don't help enough with the returning blood flow,
::::: or the valves are too weak, or the blood is too heavy.
::::: So, it's clear photographic evidence of EPO abuse.
::
::: I have some varicose veins....but have never used EPO.
::
:: Prove it.
I don't race....
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Ewoud Dronkert <[email protected]> wrote:
::::: Varicose veins develop when gravity wins from normal valve
::::: operation in smaller superficial veins. That means either the
::::: muscles don't help enough with the returning blood flow,
::::: or the valves are too weak, or the blood is too heavy.
::::: So, it's clear photographic evidence of EPO abuse.
::
::: I have some varicose veins....but have never used EPO.
::
:: Prove it.
I don't race....
J
Jet
Guest
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:18:34 +0200, Ewoud Dronkert
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Steady Rollin' Man wrote:
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/sep05/sanfrangp05/?id=15-hincapie-IMG_5493
>
>Varicose veins develop when gravity wins from normal valve operation in
>smaller superficial veins. That means either the muscles don't help enough
>with the returning blood flow, or the valves are too weak, or the blood is
>too heavy. So, it's clear photographic evidence of EPO abuse.
http://www.53x12.com/img/uploaded/article/1/pump2.jpg
-jet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Steady Rollin' Man wrote:
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/sep05/sanfrangp05/?id=15-hincapie-IMG_5493
>
>Varicose veins develop when gravity wins from normal valve operation in
>smaller superficial veins. That means either the muscles don't help enough
>with the returning blood flow, or the valves are too weak, or the blood is
>too heavy. So, it's clear photographic evidence of EPO abuse.
http://www.53x12.com/img/uploaded/article/1/pump2.jpg
-jet
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D. Ferguson
Guest
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 14:42:12 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Robert Chung wrote:
>:: Roger Zoul wrote:
>::: Ewoud Dronkert <[email protected]> wrote:
>::::: Varicose veins develop when gravity wins from normal valve
>::::: operation in smaller superficial veins. That means either the
>::::: muscles don't help enough with the returning blood flow,
>::::: or the valves are too weak, or the blood is too heavy.
>::::: So, it's clear photographic evidence of EPO abuse.
>::
>::: I have some varicose veins....but have never used EPO.
>::
>:: Prove it.
>
>I don't race....
>
which makes it even worse :-(
Lol, j/k
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Robert Chung wrote:
>:: Roger Zoul wrote:
>::: Ewoud Dronkert <[email protected]> wrote:
>::::: Varicose veins develop when gravity wins from normal valve
>::::: operation in smaller superficial veins. That means either the
>::::: muscles don't help enough with the returning blood flow,
>::::: or the valves are too weak, or the blood is too heavy.
>::::: So, it's clear photographic evidence of EPO abuse.
>::
>::: I have some varicose veins....but have never used EPO.
>::
>:: Prove it.
>
>I don't race....
>
which makes it even worse :-(
Lol, j/k
D
Dave H
Guest
"Steady Rollin' Man" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/sep05/sanfrangp05/?id=15-hincapie-IMG_5493
>
That is called EXTREMELY low body fat
Dave
news:[email protected]...
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/sep05/sanfrangp05/?id=15-hincapie-IMG_5493
>
That is called EXTREMELY low body fat
Dave
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Bob Schwartz
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Roger Zoul <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robert Chung wrote:
> :: Roger Zoul wrote:
> ::: Ewoud Dronkert <[email protected]> wrote:
> ::::: Varicose veins develop when gravity wins from normal valve
> ::::: operation in smaller superficial veins. That means either the
> ::::: muscles don't help enough with the returning blood flow,
> ::::: or the valves are too weak, or the blood is too heavy.
> ::::: So, it's clear photographic evidence of EPO abuse.
> ::
> ::: I have some varicose veins....but have never used EPO.
> ::
> :: Prove it.
> I don't race....
I know this is all in jest, but there are lots of people
that dope for cosmetic reasons only ie to look more
muscular.
Bob Schwartz
[email protected]
> Robert Chung wrote:
> :: Roger Zoul wrote:
> ::: Ewoud Dronkert <[email protected]> wrote:
> ::::: Varicose veins develop when gravity wins from normal valve
> ::::: operation in smaller superficial veins. That means either the
> ::::: muscles don't help enough with the returning blood flow,
> ::::: or the valves are too weak, or the blood is too heavy.
> ::::: So, it's clear photographic evidence of EPO abuse.
> ::
> ::: I have some varicose veins....but have never used EPO.
> ::
> :: Prove it.
> I don't race....
I know this is all in jest, but there are lots of people
that dope for cosmetic reasons only ie to look more
muscular.
Bob Schwartz
[email protected]
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Bounty Bob
Guest
Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> Steady Rollin' Man wrote:
>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/sep05/sanfrangp05/?id=15-hincapie-IMG_5493
> Varicose veins develop when gravity wins from normal valve operation in
> smaller superficial veins. That means either the muscles don't help enough
> with the returning blood flow, or the valves are too weak, or the blood is
> too heavy. So, it's clear photographic evidence of EPO abuse.
EPO? I just think he forgot to do his ironing.
> Steady Rollin' Man wrote:
>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/sep05/sanfrangp05/?id=15-hincapie-IMG_5493
> Varicose veins develop when gravity wins from normal valve operation in
> smaller superficial veins. That means either the muscles don't help enough
> with the returning blood flow, or the valves are too weak, or the blood is
> too heavy. So, it's clear photographic evidence of EPO abuse.
EPO? I just think he forgot to do his ironing.
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Ewoud Dronkert
Guest
Marlene Blanshay wrote:
> It looks like some kind of old injury....
http://grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs.nsf/photos/04tourSt18-011000
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=hincapie+varicose+group:rec.bicycles.racing
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E. Dronkert
> It looks like some kind of old injury....
http://grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs.nsf/photos/04tourSt18-011000
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=hincapie+varicose+group:rec.bicycles.racing
--
E. Dronkert
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Jet
Guest
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 20:27:00 +0200, Ewoud Dronkert
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Marlene Blanshay wrote:
>> It looks like some kind of old injury....
>
>http://grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs.nsf/photos/04tourSt18-011000
>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=hincapie+varicose+group:rec.bicycles.racing
Some nationalities seem to report higher than normal development of
varicosity, so there's a genetic component.
Hypothetically, couple genetic predisposition, use of somatotrophic
substances, presence of blood thickened due to hypoxic training, or oxygen
vector substances, it's not hard to imagine overdevelopment of superficial
saphenous veins as the body's response to stress on the system.
The kind of veins you see on cyclists may not be varicosities in the
classical sense, where the venous walls and valves have lost their
function. Quite the contrary, additional valve development and hypertrophy
of the vein itself would be an attempt at an adaptive mechanism to move the
thickened blood back to the heart.
I'd imagine that if this vein was nonfunctional it would have been
considered a candidate for the various treatments, including laser surgery,
or surgical reduction. After the cyclist's career is completed, it would be
a simple matter to resect the vein to a normal length even if for cosmetic
reasons. The saphenous vein is often used as a donor for heart surgeries.
Just some wild conjecture, fwiw. ;-)
jj
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Marlene Blanshay wrote:
>> It looks like some kind of old injury....
>
>http://grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs.nsf/photos/04tourSt18-011000
>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=hincapie+varicose+group:rec.bicycles.racing
Some nationalities seem to report higher than normal development of
varicosity, so there's a genetic component.
Hypothetically, couple genetic predisposition, use of somatotrophic
substances, presence of blood thickened due to hypoxic training, or oxygen
vector substances, it's not hard to imagine overdevelopment of superficial
saphenous veins as the body's response to stress on the system.
The kind of veins you see on cyclists may not be varicosities in the
classical sense, where the venous walls and valves have lost their
function. Quite the contrary, additional valve development and hypertrophy
of the vein itself would be an attempt at an adaptive mechanism to move the
thickened blood back to the heart.
I'd imagine that if this vein was nonfunctional it would have been
considered a candidate for the various treatments, including laser surgery,
or surgical reduction. After the cyclist's career is completed, it would be
a simple matter to resect the vein to a normal length even if for cosmetic
reasons. The saphenous vein is often used as a donor for heart surgeries.
Just some wild conjecture, fwiw. ;-)
jj
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Marlene Blanshay
Guest
Bounty Bob wrote:
> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>
>> Steady Rollin' Man wrote:
>
>
>>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/sep05/sanfrangp05/?id=15-hincapie-IMG_5493
>
>
>
>
>> Varicose veins develop when gravity wins from normal valve operation in
>> smaller superficial veins. That means either the muscles don't help
>> enough
>> with the returning blood flow, or the valves are too weak, or the
>> blood is
>> too heavy. So, it's clear photographic evidence of EPO abuse.
>
>
> EPO? I just think he forgot to do his ironing.
It looks like some kind of old injury....
> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>
>> Steady Rollin' Man wrote:
>
>
>>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/sep05/sanfrangp05/?id=15-hincapie-IMG_5493
>
>
>
>
>> Varicose veins develop when gravity wins from normal valve operation in
>> smaller superficial veins. That means either the muscles don't help
>> enough
>> with the returning blood flow, or the valves are too weak, or the
>> blood is
>> too heavy. So, it's clear photographic evidence of EPO abuse.
>
>
> EPO? I just think he forgot to do his ironing.
It looks like some kind of old injury....
