In message <[email hidden]>, TomHendricks474 <[email hidden]> writes
Quoted message said:<< Every point you illustrated is an example of exploitation. The cells don't really care whether
they survive or not. It's just that the ones with the machinery which makes them survive, will
survive, until they are wiped out or a better bit of machinery comes along.
I'm sure you could say that about any altruistic behavior.
[NS]
Yes, that's why I wrote it.
But the point is that there is a difference between conflict and symbiotic behavior. And to say all
is conflict and nothing symbiotic is half wrong at least IMO.
[NS]
I didn't imply, all, is conflict. I implied that exploitation is across the board. The only reason
the cells in your heart care about the cells in your brain is because they help them survive and
vice versa.
Just as men react to stress with fight and flight, and women react to stress with tend and befriend,
so there are two major options in relating to stress in nature - not one.
[NS]
I don't agree with your characterisations, but this is a thread drift which I don't have time for.
Also it is important to see that self preservation can easily lead to self and self's children
preservation, etc.
[NS]
This all comes from exploitation.
So in a sense the most highly evolved symbiotic relationships go somewhat beyond selfish behavior.
[NS]
No they don't.
And for that to happen there had to be the billions of years of symbiotic behavior that came before
in the history of life.
[NS]
Yes, exploitation.
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