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What to Crash - a scientific test

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  1. Yesterday evening I hit a car on the driver's side at about 90 degrees whilst riding my recumbent. A
    few years ago, I hit a white van in pretty much the same way (now how might that happen?). Even the
    speeds were about the same - a bit more than walking pace at the point of collision.

    The difference? When I hit the van I did a sort of cat-landing on the side of it and bounced off.
    The van then drove off over my bike as it's front wheel & handlebars had fallen underneath it[1]. I
    ended up standing in the middle of the road with a crumpled MTB between my feet, but most
    importantly something nasty happened to my shoulder and it hurt for weeks.

    This time I felt nothing, though I think my knees bent a little and I also found my bull's horn
    handlebars were twisted forwards. The car panelling absorbed some of the shock also... After the
    initial impact, I bounced an inch or two back clear of the car, unclipped and put my feet down flat.
    I never fell and was completely unhurt - all very much an anticlimax. OK - I wasn't going terribly
    fast, but had I been on an upright I would have supermanned at least half-way across the bonnet.

    Touchwood I'm still feeling fine - though I could very much do without the hassle of it all at the
    moment. But I'm quite delighted I seem to have got away so lightly - perhaps it was a fluke, but I
    tend to think this is just another way recumbents keep you comfortable...

    Now, perhaps there are other sorts of crashes where you really don't want to be on a recumbent. I
    fully realise my study needs more data-points, but I'll be more than happy if I don't have to
    provide any for a while. Perhaps someone else has some they would like to contribute?

    [1] The driver did have the decency to stop a few dozen yards down the road.

  2. "Kit Wolf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Yesterday evening I hit a car on the driver's side at about 90 degrees whilst riding my recumbent.
    A few years ago, I hit a white van in pretty much the same way (now how might that happen?). Even
    the speeds were about the same - a bit more than walking pace at the point of collision.

    The difference? When I hit the van I did a sort of cat-landing on the side of it and bounced off.
    The van then drove off over my bike as it's front wheel & handlebars had fallen underneath it[1].
    I ended up standing in the middle of the road with a crumpled MTB between my feet, but most
    importantly something nasty happened to my shoulder and it hurt for weeks.

    This time I felt nothing, though I think my knees bent a little and I also found my bull's horn
    handlebars were twisted forwards. The car panelling absorbed some of the shock also... After the
    initial impact, I bounced an inch or two back clear of the car, unclipped and put my feet down
    flat. I never fell and was completely unhurt - all very much an anticlimax. OK - I wasn't going
    terribly fast, but had I been on an upright I would have supermanned at least half-way across
    the bonnet.

    Touchwood I'm still feeling fine - though I could very much do without the hassle of it all at the
    moment. But I'm quite delighted I seem to have got away so lightly - perhaps it was a fluke, but I
    tend to think this is just another way recumbents keep you comfortable...

    Now, perhaps there are other sorts of crashes where you really don't want to be on a recumbent. I
    fully realise my study needs more data-points, but I'll be more than happy if I don't have to
    provide any for a while. Perhaps someone else has some they would like to contribute?

    [1] The driver did have the decency to stop a few dozen yards down the road.

    tongue in cheek/

    Wow. This seems Complete&Absolute_Proof [TM] that recumbents are 'safer'.

    (Applying similar scientific techniques to those who advocate cycle paths and other 'safety'
    equipment 'I'm not saying the H word here 'cos it would cause a flame war) -- that is to extrapolate
    from a single personal experience).

    So all you guys on the Dark Side can now berate us wedgies that we must change to a 'bent
    immediately as it is clearly unsafe to do anything else.

    [censored]. They will no longer just be whining on that bents are fun, comfy & defy the laws of wind
    friction -- the bloody things are safe too.

    Sod it. I will continue to be irresponsible and ride a DF, on the road, sans 'protective gear' and
    wearing bibshorts.

    I consider the last of these to put me at by far the greatest risk of injury (but I'm being
    emotional and unscientific here).

    /tongue out cheek.

    T

    🙂

  3. Tony W said:


    tongue in cheek/

    Wow. This seems Complete&Absolute_Proof [TM] that recumbents are 'safer'.

    (Applying similar scientific techniques to those who advocate cycle paths and other 'safety'
    equipment 'I'm not saying the H word here 'cos it would cause a flame war) -- that is to
    extrapolate from a single personal experience).

    So all you guys on the Dark Side can now berate us wedgies that we must change to a 'bent
    immediately as it is clearly unsafe to do anything else.

    Don't take me too seriously. And don't forget that I also wrote...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Now, perhaps there are other sorts of crashes where you really don't want to be on a recumbent.

    and that 2 isolated experiences don't mean anything in the greater scheme of things.

    Quoted message said:

    [censored]. They will no longer just be whining on that bents are fun, comfy & defy the laws of wind
    friction -- the bloody things are safe too.

    Well, would you argue otherwise? If I seem defensive, it's perhaps partly because lots of people do.
    A good 50% of the local hang-gliding club reckon I'm suicidal and one of the stock phrases people
    yell at me is 'you'll die on that thing...' A recent CTC editorial contrasted recumbents and 'safety
    bicycles' (DFs) - does this imply recumbents are unsafe or am I being too sensitive? Presumably, in
    comparison with penny-farthings, both recumbents and DFs could be described as 'safety bicycles.'

    Quoted message said:

    Sod it. I will continue to be irresponsible and ride a DF, on the road, sans 'protective gear' and
    wearing bibshorts.

    I consider the last of these to put me at by far the greatest risk of injury (but I'm being
    emotional and unscientific here).


    Being emotional, I'm pretty sure I escaped a trip to casualty and a couple of weeks of pain; a day
    afterwards I still feel fine, and if the sordid matter does have a silver lining then this is it.

    Kit

  4. "Kit Wolf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    A recent CTC editorial contrasted recumbents and 'safety bicycles' (DFs) - does this imply
    recumbents are unsafe or am I being too sensitive?

    The latter. 'safety bicycle' was one of the original names for what is now considered the normal
    diamond framed bike. At the time, it was being compared with 'ordinaries', ie penny-farthings.

    cheers, clive

  5. "Kit Wolf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So all you guys on the Dark Side can now berate us wedgies that we must change to a 'bent
    immediately as it is clearly unsafe to do anything


    else.

    Quoted message said:


    Don't take me too seriously. And don't forget that I also wrote...

    Moi -- serious???

    Nah.

  6. Tony W said:

    Sod it. I will continue to be irresponsible and ride a DF, on the road, sans 'protective gear' and
    wearing bibshorts.

    Quick, nurse, the slab...

    Dave Larrington - legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uklegslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk
    ===========================================================
    Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
    bhpc.org.ukbhpc.org.uk
    ===========================================================

  7. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Dave Larrington

    BTony W said:

    Sod it. I will continue to be irresponsible and ride a DF, on the road, sans 'protective gear' and
    wearing bibshorts.

    Quick, nurse, the slab...

    Dave Larrington - legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uklegslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk
    ===========================================================
    Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
    bhpc.org.ukbhpc.org.uk
    =========================================================== [/B]

    Today I crashed... Hit black ice in a corner and in a heartbeat was sitting on my @$$ in the road... I'm sure that if I had the same accident on one of my DF's it would have been a lot more serious (It's a lot shorter trip down from the bent).
    Although I was wearing a helmet it didn't save my butt from road rash 😄😄

  8. NuTz4BiKeZ said:
    Quoted message said:


    Hit black ice in a corner

    Black ice????? in July????? You must be WAY down under or in Patagonia.

    Today I came to work on my GRR in my wild floral print ScrubMed shirt, my $2.50 "see through
    polyester" glasses, my cheapie painter's cap under my maxi padded Giro helmet, my Mod 500
    Blundestones, my "bee catcher" shorts, a pair of my fingerless padded gloves left over from my NORBA
    racing days that smell like a pile of girdles at a DAR July 4 picnic skinny dip, and my extra long
    leg (to avoid making young girls go blind) dark jockey briefs. I was a rolling fashion statement.

    Monday I went home in a rain storm and I couldn't have gotten wetter if I had jumped in a swimming
    hole. When I got on to the last mile of dirt and gravel to my house I hit brown wet clay and almost
    fell. Fortunately the front fender packed with mud and stopped the front wheel so I was able to skid
    along on two tires and a foot. I ended up carrying the GRR a total of about .5 miles.

    Jerry

    PS. the Blundstone 500's are great cycling shoes for platform pedals on a low BB bike. They are very
    light, very tough and very comfortable. You can bike to the base of the mountain and then climb
    it without changing shoes.

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