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  1. Anyone have a really good bread-machine recipe for whole wheat bread?
    Those I've tried were ok but nothing special.

    Ken

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    Anyone have a really good bread-machine recipe for whole wheat bread?
    Those I've tried were ok but nothing special.

    Ken

    I Have one! But I don't know if you like it. It came out with a crispy
    crust.
    I don't know if the recipe is good for your bread machine. I have an italian
    bread machine and I use dry yeast.
    Post also your ingredients, so I can see if mine is similar or different.
    Let me know

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  3. How about making a sourdough starter, and using that to make the bread?

    "Ken Knecht" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Anyone have a really good bread-machine recipe for whole wheat bread?
    Those I've tried were ok but nothing special.

    Ken

    --
    Untie the two knots to email me

    "When the president does it, that means it is not illegal."

    Richard M. Nixon, on a May 19, 1977 David Frost TV
    interview with regard to wiretapping and other surveilance
    of the public (the Huston Plan). Five days later, after
    opposition from J. Edgar Hoover, the plan was withdrawn,
    but the president's approval was later to be listed in
    the Articles of Impeachment as an alleged abuse of
    presidential power.

  4. Pandora said:
    Ken Knecht said:

    Anyone have a really good bread-machine recipe for whole wheat bread?

    I don't know if the recipe is good for your bread machine.
    I have an italian bread machine.

    Oh, geeze! Dumb Dora is an understatement.

    Yeah, the venerable "WOP-O-MATIC"... only does garlic bread! <G>

    Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .

    Sheldon

  5. Ken Knecht said:

    Anyone have a really good bread-machine recipe for whole wheat bread?
    Those I've tried were ok but nothing special.


    When I was using the bread machine I found that recipes that used only
    whole wheat flour were always bad. Best results were from mixing no
    more than fifty percent whole wheat with other flours. That's the kind
    of recipe I'd suggest you look for. Better yet, skip the whole wheat
    and go for rye or pumpernickel. Then you'd really have something
    worthwhile. -aem

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    Ken Knecht said:

    Anyone have a really good bread-machine recipe for whole wheat bread?
    Those I've tried were ok but nothing special.


    When I was using the bread machine I found that recipes that used only
    whole wheat flour were always bad. Best results were from mixing no
    more than fifty percent whole wheat with other flours. That's the kind
    of recipe I'd suggest you look for. Better yet, skip the whole wheat
    and go for rye or pumpernickel. Then you'd really have something
    worthwhile. -aem

    Pumpernickel's nothing but "other bread" colored with molasses, isn't it?

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    Ken Knecht said:

    Anyone have a really good bread-machine recipe for whole wheat bread?
    Those I've tried were ok but nothing special.


    When I was using the bread machine I found that recipes that used only
    whole wheat flour were always bad. Best results were from mixing no
    more than fifty percent whole wheat with other flours. That's the kind
    of recipe I'd suggest you look for. Better yet, skip the whole wheat
    and go for rye or pumpernickel. Then you'd really have something
    worthwhile. -aem

    Pumpernickel's nothing but "other bread" colored with molasses, isn't it?

    Not exactly. It's basically a dense German rye bread with additional
    flavorings, including molasses. Really good with sauerbraten and pot
    roasts and for sandwiches with full flavored meats. Also -- and I
    wonder how many other breads pass this test? -- really good all by
    itself with nothing more than butter. -aem

  8. aem said:
    Doug Kanter said:

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    Ken Knecht wrote:
    > Anyone have a really good bread-machine recipe for whole wheat bread?
    > Those I've tried were ok but nothing special.
    >
    When I was using the bread machine I found that recipes that used only
    whole wheat flour were always bad. Best results were from mixing no
    more than fifty percent whole wheat with other flours. That's the kind
    of recipe I'd suggest you look for. Better yet, skip the whole wheat
    and go for rye or pumpernickel. Then you'd really have something
    worthwhile. -aem

    Pumpernickel's nothing but "other bread" colored with molasses, isn't it?

    Not exactly. It's basically a dense German rye bread with additional
    flavorings, including molasses. Really good with sauerbraten and pot
    roasts and for sandwiches with full flavored meats. Also -- and I
    wonder how many other breads pass this test? -- really good all by
    itself with nothing more than butter.

    Not quite. And it's not molasses. The dark color is from burnt sugar,
    readily available at ethnic markets... the same colorant that makes
    your favorite cola drink dark, otherwise it would be crystal clear.

    http://www.foodadditivesworld.com/caramel.html

    Sheldon

  9. Ken Knecht said:

    Anyone have a really good bread-machine recipe for whole wheat bread?
    Those I've tried were ok but nothing special.

    Ken

    this one
    http://www.breadworld.com/recipes/recipedetail.asp?id=51
    and this one
    http://www.breadworld.com/recipes/recipedetail.asp?id=787

    are a couple of my favorites, I make them a lot.

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    Ken Knecht said:

    Anyone have a really good bread-machine recipe for whole wheat bread?
    Those I've tried were ok but nothing special.


    When I was using the bread machine I found that recipes that used only
    whole wheat flour were always bad. Best results were from mixing no
    more than fifty percent whole wheat with other flours. That's the kind
    of recipe I'd suggest you look for. Better yet, skip the whole wheat
    and go for rye or pumpernickel. Then you'd really have something
    worthwhile. -aem

    Pumpernickel's nothing but "other bread" colored with molasses, isn't it?

    LOL no. It's made from coarse rye grains, rye flour, sourdough and then
    baked overnight.

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    Ken Knecht wrote:
    > Anyone have a really good bread-machine recipe for whole wheat bread?
    > Those I've tried were ok but nothing special.
    >
    When I was using the bread machine I found that recipes that used only
    whole wheat flour were always bad. Best results were from mixing no
    more than fifty percent whole wheat with other flours. That's the kind
    of recipe I'd suggest you look for. Better yet, skip the whole wheat
    and go for rye or pumpernickel. Then you'd really have something
    worthwhile. -aem

    Pumpernickel's nothing but "other bread" colored with molasses, isn't it?

    LOL no. It's made from coarse rye grains, rye flour, sourdough and then
    baked overnight.

    I haven't had it since I was a kid. The stuff in the stores now has no soul.

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    Anyone have a really good bread-machine recipe for whole wheat bread?
    Those I've tried were ok but nothing special.

    Ken

    I Have one! But I don't know if you like it. It came out with a crispy
    crust.
    I don't know if the recipe is good for your bread machine. I have an
    italian bread machine and I use dry yeast.
    Post also your ingredients, so I can see if mine is similar or
    different. Let me know

    I've tried several. Here's a typical small loaf from Donna German's _The
    Bread Machine Cookbook_.

    water 2/3 C
    Margarine/butter 1 Tbs
    sugar 1 Tbs
    salt 1/2 tsp
    whole wheat flour 1 C
    bread flour 1 C
    nonfat dry milk 2 1/2 Tbs
    yeast 1 tsp

    I always use dry yeast.

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    Quoted message said:

    How about making a sourdough starter, and using that to make the bread?

    I've never tried sourdough bread. Something to look into.

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    Quoted message said:

    Better yet, skip the whole wheat
    and go for rye or pumpernickel. Then you'd really have something
    worthwhile.

    I'm always trying to get more fiber in my diet. I thought maybe if I
    could find a whole wheat bread recipe I really liked it would help.

    I do like rye and make it sometimes.

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    Quoted message said:

    How about making a sourdough starter, and using that to make the bread?

    I've never tried sourdough bread. Something to look into.

    Here's a good recipe for your first try:

    Source: In Nonna's Kitchen, by Carol Field

    Pane Casareccio (Homemade Country Bread)

    Flour, water, salt and yeast: the breads of the Italian countryside combine
    four of the most basic ingredients on earth to create delicious country
    loaves with thick chewy crusts. Many years ago I learned to bake Italian
    country bread with Nella Galletti at her home in the Umbrian countryside and
    later discovered that Annita di Fonzo Zannella makes her bread the same way.
    Nella made traditional saltless bread for which she kept her ingredients in
    a large madia, a deep wooden chest that held both flour and the natural
    yeast that came from keeping some dough of that week's baking and setting it
    aside to be used as leavening for the next week's bread. She mixed the
    starter with the flour and then began pouring scoops of water directly into
    the mixture, beating and mixing and kneading for at least 40 minutes. The
    amounts were immense! She kneaded so vigorously that the dough became like
    a huge blanket that she kept turning and pummeling and kneading some more
    until it was elastic and silky and very resilient. Her muscles had a
    definite workout. After she allowed the dough its initial rise, she shaped
    it into rounds, let them rise again on floured canvas she pleated between
    loaves so they wouldn't fuse, and set them on a board. When they were
    ready-doubled and full of air bubbles-she called a neighbor, who hoisted the
    board onto his shoulder and took its many loaves to the hot wood-burning
    oven. Nella swabbed the oven with rainwater that she had saved to create
    steam, and then she slid in the rounds. An hour later, out came the crunchy
    crusted bread that would feed Nella, her family, and neighbors for a week.

    When I explained to Nella that Americans don't have such natural starter
    available to them, she suggested making a biga, a starter with almost no
    yeast at all, and letting it rise for two days. You don't have to do
    anything for the two days in which it sits at room temperature, but you must
    be sure to start your bread baking with enough time to allow the biga to
    ferment and develop its rich flavor.

    Biga (bread starter)

    ¼ teaspoon active dry yeast or 1/10 small cake fresh yeast

    ¼ cup warm water

    ¾ cup plus 2 tablespoons water, room temperature

    2-1/2 cups (about 11 ounces) unbleached all purpose flour

    Dough

    1-1/2 teaspoons active dry yeast, or ½ cake (1/3 ounce) fresh yeast

    ¼ cup warm water, 105 to 115 degrees for dry yeast, 95 to 105 degrees for
    fresh

    2-1/3 cups water

    1 cup (about 8 ounces) biga, measured at room temperature

    About 5-1/2 to 5-3/4 cups (approx 1-3/4 pounds) unbleached all purpose flour

    1 tablespoon sea salt or kosher salt

    Cornmeal (for baking stones or pans)

    To make the biga: Stir the yeast into the warm water and let stand until
    creamy, about 10 minutes. Stir in the remaining water and then the flour, 1
    cup at a time. If you are making the biga by hand, mix with a wooden spoon
    for about 4 minutes. If you are using a heavy-duty electric mixer, mix with
    the paddle at the lowest speed for about 2 minutes.

    Rising: Place the sticky biga in a large lightly oiled bowl, cover with
    plastic wrap, and let rise at cool room temperature for 24 to 48 hours. The
    starter will triple in volume, then fall back upon itself. It ill still be
    wet and sticky when you use it, so moisten your hands when you scoop some
    out to measure it. Cover and refrigerate after 48 hours. You may keep the
    biga refrigerated for up to 5 days.

    To make the dough by hand: Stir the yeast into the warm water in a large
    mixing bowl; let it stand until creamy, about 10 minutes. Add the room
    temperature water and the biga. Squeeze the biga through your fingers to
    break it up and then stir it vigorously with a wooden spoon until the water
    is chalky white and the starter is well shredded. Begin stirring the flour
    mixed with the salt, 2 cups at a time, into the yeast mixture. Beat well
    with a wooden spoon until the dough comes together into a shaggy moist mass.
    Flour your work surface and your dough scraper and keep a mound of flour
    nearby for your hands. Turn the dough out onto the floured surface and,
    with the help of the dough scraper and as little flour as possible, turn and
    knead the dough until it gradually loses its stickiness, although it will
    remain wet.

    By heavy-duty electric mixer: Stir the yeast into the warm water in a large
    mixing bowl; let it stand until creamy, about 10 minutes. Add the room
    temperature water and the biga. Squeeze the biga through your fingers to
    break it up and then stir it vigorously with a wooden spoon until the water
    is chalky white and the starter is well shredded. Add the flour and salt
    and with the paddle attachment mix until the dough comes together. You may
    need to add up to 4 tablespoons more flour, but the dough will never come
    away from the sides and bottom of the bowl. Change to the dough hook and
    knead for 4 to 5 minutes at medium speed. You may finish kneading the
    sticky wet dough by hand on a well-floured surface, sprinkling the top with
    up to 4 tablespoons more flour.

    First Rise: Place the dough in a lightly oiled bowl. If you have a
    straight-sided translucent plastic container, please use it so that you can
    mark exactly where the dough starts and measure its progress until it has
    tripled. Cover tightly with plastic wrap and let rise until tripled and
    full of air bubbles, about 3 hours.

    Shaping and second rise: Turn the sticky dough out onto a well-floured work
    surface. Flour a dough scraper and have a mound of flour nearby for your
    hands. Pour the dough out of the bowl but do not punch it down. Lightly
    flour the top and cut into 3 equal pieces. You can moisten your hands in
    water if the dough seems very sticky; wet hands do not stick to wet dough.
    Flatten each piece and roll it up lengthwise, using your thumbs as a guide
    for how tight the rolls should be. Turn the dough 90 degrees, gently pat it
    flat, and roll it up again, still using your thumbs as a guide. Shape each
    piece into a ball by rolling the dough between your cupped hands, using the
    surface of your work table to generate tension and create a taut skin on the
    surface of the dough. Place the loaves on floured parchment paper or waxed
    paper, set them on baking sheets or pizza peels, cover with a heavy cloth,
    and let rise until doubled, about 1 hour.

    At least 30 minutes before you plan to bake, heat the oven(s) to 450 degrees
    with baking stones inside.

    Baking: Just before baking, sprinkle the stones with cornmeal. Gently
    invert the loaves onto the stones-you may leave whatever parchment paper has
    stuck to the wet dough for 15 minutes or so and remove it once the dough has
    set. You may prefer to slide the loaves onto the baking stones without
    turning them over; you may also leave them on the baking sheets and set them
    directly on the stones. The break will look deflated when you initially put
    it in, but will puff up like a pillow in no time. Bake until golden brown
    and crusty, about 35 minutes, or until a tap on the bottom produces a hollow
    sound that indicates the loaf is baked. Cool on racks.

    Variation: Use 1 scant cup (5 ounces) whole wheat flour, preferably
    stone-ground and 4-3/4 cups (1-1/3 pounds) unbleached all-purpose flour.

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    Quoted message said:
    Ken Knecht said:

    Anyone have a really good bread-machine recipe for whole wheat bread?
    Those I've tried were ok but nothing special.

    Ken

    this one
    http://www.breadworld.com/recipes/recipedetail.asp?id=51
    and this one
    http://www.breadworld.com/recipes/recipedetail.asp?id=787

    are a couple of my favorites, I make them a lot.

    Thank you. I'll try them.

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    How about making a sourdough starter, and using that to make the
    bread?

    I've never tried sourdough bread. Something to look into.

    Here's a good recipe for your first try:

    Source: In Nonna's Kitchen, by Carol Field

    Pane Casareccio (Homemade Country Bread)

    Flour, water, salt and yeast: the breads of the Italian countryside
    combine four of the most basic ingredients on earth to create
    delicious country loaves with thick chewy crusts. Many years ago I
    learned to bake Italian country bread with Nella Galletti at her home
    in the Umbrian countryside and later discovered that Annita di Fonzo
    Zannella makes her bread the same way. Nella made traditional saltless
    bread for which she kept her ingredients in a large madia, a deep
    wooden chest that held both flour and the natural yeast that came from
    keeping some dough of that week's baking and setting it aside to be
    used as leavening for the next week's bread. She mixed the starter
    with the flour and then began pouring scoops of water directly into
    the mixture, beating and mixing and kneading for at least 40 minutes.
    The amounts were immense! She kneaded so vigorously that the dough
    became like a huge blanket that she kept turning and pummeling and
    kneading some more until it was elastic and silky and very resilient.
    Her muscles had a definite workout. After she allowed the dough its
    initial rise, she shaped it into rounds, let them rise again on
    floured canvas she pleated between loaves so they wouldn't fuse, and
    set them on a board. When they were ready-doubled and full of air
    bubbles-she called a neighbor, who hoisted the board onto his shoulder
    and took its many loaves to the hot wood-burning oven. Nella swabbed
    the oven with rainwater that she had saved to create steam, and then
    she slid in the rounds. An hour later, out came the crunchy crusted
    bread that would feed Nella, her family, and neighbors for a week.

    When I explained to Nella that Americans don't have such natural
    starter available to them, she suggested making a biga, a starter with
    almost no yeast at all, and letting it rise for two days. You don't
    have to do anything for the two days in which it sits at room
    temperature, but you must be sure to start your bread baking with
    enough time to allow the biga to ferment and develop its rich flavor.

    Biga (bread starter)

    ¼ teaspoon active dry yeast or 1/10 small cake fresh yeast

    ¼ cup warm water

    ¾ cup plus 2 tablespoons water, room temperature

    2-1/2 cups (about 11 ounces) unbleached all purpose flour

    Dough

    1-1/2 teaspoons active dry yeast, or ½ cake (1/3 ounce) fresh yeast

    ¼ cup warm water, 105 to 115 degrees for dry yeast, 95 to 105 degrees
    for fresh

    2-1/3 cups water

    1 cup (about 8 ounces) biga, measured at room temperature

    About 5-1/2 to 5-3/4 cups (approx 1-3/4 pounds) unbleached all purpose
    flour

    1 tablespoon sea salt or kosher salt

    Cornmeal (for baking stones or pans)

    To make the biga: Stir the yeast into the warm water and let stand
    until creamy, about 10 minutes. Stir in the remaining water and then
    the flour, 1 cup at a time. If you are making the biga by hand, mix
    with a wooden spoon for about 4 minutes. If you are using a
    heavy-duty electric mixer, mix with the paddle at the lowest speed for
    about 2 minutes.

    Rising: Place the sticky biga in a large lightly oiled bowl, cover
    with plastic wrap, and let rise at cool room temperature for 24 to 48
    hours. The starter will triple in volume, then fall back upon itself.
    It ill still be wet and sticky when you use it, so moisten your hands
    when you scoop some out to measure it. Cover and refrigerate after 48
    hours. You may keep the biga refrigerated for up to 5 days.

    To make the dough by hand: Stir the yeast into the warm water in a
    large mixing bowl; let it stand until creamy, about 10 minutes. Add
    the room temperature water and the biga. Squeeze the biga through
    your fingers to break it up and then stir it vigorously with a wooden
    spoon until the water is chalky white and the starter is well
    shredded. Begin stirring the flour mixed with the salt, 2 cups at a
    time, into the yeast mixture. Beat well with a wooden spoon until the
    dough comes together into a shaggy moist mass. Flour your work surface
    and your dough scraper and keep a mound of flour nearby for your
    hands. Turn the dough out onto the floured surface and, with the help
    of the dough scraper and as little flour as possible, turn and knead
    the dough until it gradually loses its stickiness, although it will
    remain wet.

    By heavy-duty electric mixer: Stir the yeast into the warm water in a
    large mixing bowl; let it stand until creamy, about 10 minutes. Add
    the room temperature water and the biga. Squeeze the biga through
    your fingers to break it up and then stir it vigorously with a wooden
    spoon until the water is chalky white and the starter is well
    shredded. Add the flour and salt and with the paddle attachment mix
    until the dough comes together. You may need to add up to 4
    tablespoons more flour, but the dough will never come away from the
    sides and bottom of the bowl. Change to the dough hook and knead for
    4 to 5 minutes at medium speed. You may finish kneading the sticky
    wet dough by hand on a well-floured surface, sprinkling the top with
    up to 4 tablespoons more flour.

    First Rise: Place the dough in a lightly oiled bowl. If you have a
    straight-sided translucent plastic container, please use it so that
    you can mark exactly where the dough starts and measure its progress
    until it has tripled. Cover tightly with plastic wrap and let rise
    until tripled and full of air bubbles, about 3 hours.

    Shaping and second rise: Turn the sticky dough out onto a
    well-floured work surface. Flour a dough scraper and have a mound of
    flour nearby for your hands. Pour the dough out of the bowl but do
    not punch it down. Lightly flour the top and cut into 3 equal pieces.
    You can moisten your hands in water if the dough seems very sticky;
    wet hands do not stick to wet dough. Flatten each piece and roll it up
    lengthwise, using your thumbs as a guide for how tight the rolls
    should be. Turn the dough 90 degrees, gently pat it flat, and roll it
    up again, still using your thumbs as a guide. Shape each piece into a
    ball by rolling the dough between your cupped hands, using the surface
    of your work table to generate tension and create a taut skin on the
    surface of the dough. Place the loaves on floured parchment paper or
    waxed paper, set them on baking sheets or pizza peels, cover with a
    heavy cloth, and let rise until doubled, about 1 hour.

    At least 30 minutes before you plan to bake, heat the oven(s) to 450
    degrees with baking stones inside.

    Baking: Just before baking, sprinkle the stones with cornmeal.
    Gently invert the loaves onto the stones-you may leave whatever
    parchment paper has stuck to the wet dough for 15 minutes or so and
    remove it once the dough has set. You may prefer to slide the loaves
    onto the baking stones without turning them over; you may also leave
    them on the baking sheets and set them directly on the stones. The
    break will look deflated when you initially put it in, but will puff
    up like a pillow in no time. Bake until golden brown and crusty,
    about 35 minutes, or until a tap on the bottom produces a hollow sound
    that indicates the loaf is baked. Cool on racks.

    Variation: Use 1 scant cup (5 ounces) whole wheat flour, preferably
    stone-ground and 4-3/4 cups (1-1/3 pounds) unbleached all-purpose
    flour.

    Thank you.

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    > How about making a sourdough starter, and using that to make the
    > bread?
    >

    I've never tried sourdough bread. Something to look into.

    Here's a good recipe for your first try:

    Source: In Nonna's Kitchen, by Carol Field

    Pane Casareccio (Homemade Country Bread)

    Flour, water, salt and yeast: the breads of the Italian countryside
    combine four of the most basic ingredients on earth to create
    delicious country loaves with thick chewy crusts. Many years ago I
    learned to bake Italian country bread with Nella Galletti at her home
    in the Umbrian countryside and later discovered that Annita di Fonzo
    Zannella makes her bread the same way. Nella made traditional saltless
    bread for which she kept her ingredients in a large madia, a deep
    wooden chest that held both flour and the natural yeast that came from
    keeping some dough of that week's baking and setting it aside to be
    used as leavening for the next week's bread. She mixed the starter
    with the flour and then began pouring scoops of water directly into
    the mixture, beating and mixing and kneading for at least 40 minutes.
    The amounts were immense! She kneaded so vigorously that the dough
    became like a huge blanket that she kept turning and pummeling and
    kneading some more until it was elastic and silky and very resilient.
    Her muscles had a definite workout. After she allowed the dough its
    initial rise, she shaped it into rounds, let them rise again on
    floured canvas she pleated between loaves so they wouldn't fuse, and
    set them on a board. When they were ready-doubled and full of air
    bubbles-she called a neighbor, who hoisted the board onto his shoulder
    and took its many loaves to the hot wood-burning oven. Nella swabbed
    the oven with rainwater that she had saved to create steam, and then
    she slid in the rounds. An hour later, out came the crunchy crusted
    bread that would feed Nella, her family, and neighbors for a week.

    When I explained to Nella that Americans don't have such natural
    starter available to them, she suggested making a biga, a starter with
    almost no yeast at all, and letting it rise for two days. You don't
    have to do anything for the two days in which it sits at room
    temperature, but you must be sure to start your bread baking with
    enough time to allow the biga to ferment and develop its rich flavor.

    Biga (bread starter)

    ¼ teaspoon active dry yeast or 1/10 small cake fresh yeast

    ¼ cup warm water

    ¾ cup plus 2 tablespoons water, room temperature

    2-1/2 cups (about 11 ounces) unbleached all purpose flour

    Dough

    1-1/2 teaspoons active dry yeast, or ½ cake (1/3 ounce) fresh yeast

    ¼ cup warm water, 105 to 115 degrees for dry yeast, 95 to 105 degrees
    for fresh

    2-1/3 cups water

    1 cup (about 8 ounces) biga, measured at room temperature

    About 5-1/2 to 5-3/4 cups (approx 1-3/4 pounds) unbleached all purpose
    flour

    1 tablespoon sea salt or kosher salt

    Cornmeal (for baking stones or pans)

    To make the biga: Stir the yeast into the warm water and let stand
    until creamy, about 10 minutes. Stir in the remaining water and then
    the flour, 1 cup at a time. If you are making the biga by hand, mix
    with a wooden spoon for about 4 minutes. If you are using a
    heavy-duty electric mixer, mix with the paddle at the lowest speed for
    about 2 minutes.

    Rising: Place the sticky biga in a large lightly oiled bowl, cover
    with plastic wrap, and let rise at cool room temperature for 24 to 48
    hours. The starter will triple in volume, then fall back upon itself.
    It ill still be wet and sticky when you use it, so moisten your hands
    when you scoop some out to measure it. Cover and refrigerate after 48
    hours. You may keep the biga refrigerated for up to 5 days.

    To make the dough by hand: Stir the yeast into the warm water in a
    large mixing bowl; let it stand until creamy, about 10 minutes. Add
    the room temperature water and the biga. Squeeze the biga through
    your fingers to break it up and then stir it vigorously with a wooden
    spoon until the water is chalky white and the starter is well
    shredded. Begin stirring the flour mixed with the salt, 2 cups at a
    time, into the yeast mixture. Beat well with a wooden spoon until the
    dough comes together into a shaggy moist mass. Flour your work surface
    and your dough scraper and keep a mound of flour nearby for your
    hands. Turn the dough out onto the floured surface and, with the help
    of the dough scraper and as little flour as possible, turn and knead
    the dough until it gradually loses its stickiness, although it will
    remain wet.

    By heavy-duty electric mixer: Stir the yeast into the warm water in a
    large mixing bowl; let it stand until creamy, about 10 minutes. Add
    the room temperature water and the biga. Squeeze the biga through
    your fingers to break it up and then stir it vigorously with a wooden
    spoon until the water is chalky white and the starter is well
    shredded. Add the flour and salt and with the paddle attachment mix
    until the dough comes together. You may need to add up to 4
    tablespoons more flour, but the dough will never come away from the
    sides and bottom of the bowl. Change to the dough hook and knead for
    4 to 5 minutes at medium speed. You may finish kneading the sticky
    wet dough by hand on a well-floured surface, sprinkling the top with
    up to 4 tablespoons more flour.

    First Rise: Place the dough in a lightly oiled bowl. If you have a
    straight-sided translucent plastic container, please use it so that
    you can mark exactly where the dough starts and measure its progress
    until it has tripled. Cover tightly with plastic wrap and let rise
    until tripled and full of air bubbles, about 3 hours.

    Shaping and second rise: Turn the sticky dough out onto a
    well-floured work surface. Flour a dough scraper and have a mound of
    flour nearby for your hands. Pour the dough out of the bowl but do
    not punch it down. Lightly flour the top and cut into 3 equal pieces.
    You can moisten your hands in water if the dough seems very sticky;
    wet hands do not stick to wet dough. Flatten each piece and roll it up
    lengthwise, using your thumbs as a guide for how tight the rolls
    should be. Turn the dough 90 degrees, gently pat it flat, and roll it
    up again, still using your thumbs as a guide. Shape each piece into a
    ball by rolling the dough between your cupped hands, using the surface
    of your work table to generate tension and create a taut skin on the
    surface of the dough. Place the loaves on floured parchment paper or
    waxed paper, set them on baking sheets or pizza peels, cover with a
    heavy cloth, and let rise until doubled, about 1 hour.

    At least 30 minutes before you plan to bake, heat the oven(s) to 450
    degrees with baking stones inside.

    Baking: Just before baking, sprinkle the stones with cornmeal.
    Gently invert the loaves onto the stones-you may leave whatever
    parchment paper has stuck to the wet dough for 15 minutes or so and
    remove it once the dough has set. You may prefer to slide the loaves
    onto the baking stones without turning them over; you may also leave
    them on the baking sheets and set them directly on the stones. The
    break will look deflated when you initially put it in, but will puff
    up like a pillow in no time. Bake until golden brown and crusty,
    about 35 minutes, or until a tap on the bottom produces a hollow sound
    that indicates the loaf is baked. Cool on racks.

    Variation: Use 1 scant cup (5 ounces) whole wheat flour, preferably
    stone-ground and 4-3/4 cups (1-1/3 pounds) unbleached all-purpose
    flour.

    Thank you.

    You're welcome. I forgot to mention what's already obvious - the recipe's
    not for a bread machine. But, kneading dough is good. Visualize your boss'
    neck, or your least favorite politician. :-)

  19. Ken Knecht said:

    "aem" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1142364297.195607.42710
    @z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

    Quoted message said:

    Better yet, skip the whole wheat
    and go for rye or pumpernickel. Then you'd really have something
    worthwhile.

    I'm always trying to get more fiber in my diet. I thought maybe if I
    could find a whole wheat bread recipe I really liked it would help.

    I do like rye and make it sometimes.


    Have you tried a 7 or 12 grain bread? I like them better than plain
    whole wheat. I make both whole wheat and multi grain. The trick I use
    is to make the dough in the breadmaker then proof in the oven using the
    bread proofing setting and then bake using convection. That way I can
    let it proof longer if needed something that using only the breadmaker
    doesn't allow.

  20. Doug Kanter said:


    "Arri London" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Doug Kanter said:


    "aem" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    >
    > Ken Knecht wrote:
    >> Anyone have a really good bread-machine recipe for whole wheat bread?
    >> Those I've tried were ok but nothing special.
    >>
    > When I was using the bread machine I found that recipes that used only
    > whole wheat flour were always bad. Best results were from mixing no
    > more than fifty percent whole wheat with other flours. That's the kind
    > of recipe I'd suggest you look for. Better yet, skip the whole wheat
    > and go for rye or pumpernickel. Then you'd really have something
    > worthwhile. -aem
    >

    Pumpernickel's nothing but "other bread" colored with molasses, isn't it?

    LOL no. It's made from coarse rye grains, rye flour, sourdough and then
    baked overnight.

    I haven't had it since I was a kid. The stuff in the stores now has no soul.

    If you have a German deli near you can still buy it. The recipes I see
    for pumpernickel which are really white bread with colouring in it make
    me laugh.

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