Wheel rubbing

I should have also mentioned ... the gap between the wheel and the frame is
not equal on each side. It is rubbing on one side but a nice gap on the
other side (that's what made me think perhaps it was seeded evenly).

"BBB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I have a 2001 Trek 5200 ... yesterday while riding I noticed a noise and
looked down to see my rear wheel was rubbing near the bottom bracket. I
took the wheel off and then put it back on (thinking it was not seeded
right). That helped just a little bit (so that it wasn't rubbing so bad).
I thought perhaps the skewer needed to be replaced but tried that and it
didn't seem to help much either. What should I be looking for or trying?
What could the problem be? This is the first time I've noticed this
behavior and I ride the bike a lot.

Any and all help would be most appreciated.

BBB

B3-<< I should have also mentioned ... the gap between the wheel and the frame
is
not equal on each side. >><BR><BR>

It can only be that either the wheel is not dished or the frameset rear
triangle/dropouts are not straight.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

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B3-<< I should have also mentioned ... the gap between the wheel and the

frame

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is
not equal on each side. >><BR><BR>

It can only be that either the wheel is not dished or the frameset rear
triangle/dropouts are not straight.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

Or, that your adjustment screws on your dropouts (if you have them - some
do, some don't) aren't properly adjusted. Is this a general trend of the
wheel, being off to the left side, or is there a wobble in the rim? Do you
have dropout adjustment screws? Did this start happening suddenly, and has
the bike been hit or crashed lately? Tell us more.

Cal

I only noticed the rubbing (and the sound it caused) recently. Their is a
small wobble in the rim. Not sure about dropout adjustment screws ... I'm
fairly ignorant to the bike (I've been riding for a while but can only do
the basics - change a tire, chain, handlebar tape). How can I determine if
I have dropout adjustment screws?

BBB
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B3-<< I should have also mentioned ... the gap between the wheel and the

frame

Quoted message said:

is
not equal on each side. >><BR><BR>

It can only be that either the wheel is not dished or the frameset rear
triangle/dropouts are not straight.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

Or, that your adjustment screws on your dropouts (if you have them - some
do, some don't) aren't properly adjusted. Is this a general trend of the
wheel, being off to the left side, or is there a wobble in the rim? Do

you

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have dropout adjustment screws? Did this start happening suddenly, and has
the bike been hit or crashed lately? Tell us more.

Cal

BBB said:

I only noticed the rubbing (and the sound it caused) recently. Their is a
small wobble in the rim. Not sure about dropout adjustment screws ... I'm
fairly ignorant to the bike (I've been riding for a while but can only do
the basics - change a tire, chain, handlebar tape). How can I determine if
I have dropout adjustment screws?

I just looked at a picture of a Trek 5200 on the Trek website, and it
looks like it has vertical dropouts, just like every other recent Trek
I've seen. You won't find any adjustment screws.

Does the rubbing only occur when the wobble passes by the chainstay,
or is it constant? If after having your LBS re-true the wheel it still
rubs, something has clearly happened to either the wheel or the frame.

Have you had the wheel serviced recently, like having the hub bearings
cleaned and repacked? It's highly unlikely, but the shop could have
put the axle spacers back in the wrong place.

Another thing to look for would be damage to the frame. Perhaps one of
the bonded joints on either end of one of the chainstays or seatstays
has failed. This could cause things to shift. One quick way to check
frame alignment would be to mount another wheel. Borrow one from a
friend, or have your LBS do it. If another wheel is centered you know
the problem is with your wheel.

jeverett3<AT>earthlink<DOT>net http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3

The rubbing is not constant ... but when I put the back tire in the tire
starts in the middle (where I expect it). After just a short ride it is
once again closer on one side (non-chain side). The wheel needed to be
trued ... so I just took the bike to the LBS and will have them retrue the
wheel and look into the rubbing issue too. I wanted to see if this was
something I could do (cause the shop's turnaround time is almost a week -
luckily I have another bike to ride).

Thanks!

BBB
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BBB said:

I only noticed the rubbing (and the sound it caused) recently. Their is

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

small wobble in the rim. Not sure about dropout adjustment screws ...

I'm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

fairly ignorant to the bike (I've been riding for a while but can only do
the basics - change a tire, chain, handlebar tape). How can I determine

if

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I have dropout adjustment screws?

I just looked at a picture of a Trek 5200 on the Trek website, and it
looks like it has vertical dropouts, just like every other recent Trek
I've seen. You won't find any adjustment screws.

Does the rubbing only occur when the wobble passes by the chainstay,
or is it constant? If after having your LBS re-true the wheel it still
rubs, something has clearly happened to either the wheel or the frame.

Have you had the wheel serviced recently, like having the hub bearings
cleaned and repacked? It's highly unlikely, but the shop could have
put the axle spacers back in the wrong place.

Another thing to look for would be damage to the frame. Perhaps one of
the bonded joints on either end of one of the chainstays or seatstays
has failed. This could cause things to shift. One quick way to check
frame alignment would be to mount another wheel. Borrow one from a
friend, or have your LBS do it. If another wheel is centered you know
the problem is with your wheel.

jeverett3<AT>earthlink<DOT>net http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3

BBB said:

The rubbing is not constant ... but when I put the back tire in the tire
starts in the middle (where I expect it). After just a short ride it is
once again closer on one side (non-chain side). The wheel needed to be
trued ... so I just took the bike to the LBS and will have them retrue the
wheel and look into the rubbing issue too. I wanted to see if this was
something I could do (cause the shop's turnaround time is almost a week -
luckily I have another bike to ride).

Thanks!

This is from the wheel moving in the dropout because it isn't being
held tight enough. Force from the right (drive) side pulls the wheel
forward on that side and it 'pivots' around the left dropout to the
left and the tire starts rubbing on the chainstay.

Tighten the wheel more. Maybe a better quick release skewer will have
stronger parts that will give more bite. When you go pick up the bike,
talk to them about this.

I did indeed try another skewer ... and I also tried tightening the wheel
tigher ... that may have helped ... but very very slightly.

BBB
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BBB said:

The rubbing is not constant ... but when I put the back tire in the tire
starts in the middle (where I expect it). After just a short ride it is
once again closer on one side (non-chain side). The wheel needed to be
trued ... so I just took the bike to the LBS and will have them retrue

the

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wheel and look into the rubbing issue too. I wanted to see if this was
something I could do (cause the shop's turnaround time is almost a week -
luckily I have another bike to ride).

Thanks!

This is from the wheel moving in the dropout because it isn't being
held tight enough. Force from the right (drive) side pulls the wheel
forward on that side and it 'pivots' around the left dropout to the
left and the tire starts rubbing on the chainstay.

Tighten the wheel more. Maybe a better quick release skewer will have
stronger parts that will give more bite. When you go pick up the bike,
talk to them about this.

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The rubbing is not constant ... but when I put the back tire in the tire
starts in the middle (where I expect it). After just a short ride it is
once again closer on one side (non-chain side). The wheel needed to be
trued ... so I just took the bike to the LBS and will have them retrue the
wheel and look into the rubbing issue too. I wanted to see if this was
something I could do (cause the shop's turnaround time is almost a week -
luckily I have another bike to ride).

If the axle isn't perfectly centered (or if washers/spacers are missing or
mis-sized), you can have a little too much axle sticking out past the nuts on
the end. Then when the wheel is put into the frame, and the quick release
clamped, you won't get a strong grip on the frame since the quick release is
pressing the axle end, not the frame. When the axle is in the frame, the ends
should be recessed slightly (from the outer edge of the frame) on both sides.
Getting this right can be tricky, you have to count the number of threads
protruding past the nut on both sides

BBB said:

I have a 2001 Trek 5200 ... yesterday while riding I noticed a noise and
looked down to see my rear wheel was rubbing near the bottom bracket.

I have a similar problem on my Cannondale. Not sure what material
your dropout is made from (I doubt it's carbon, I'm guessing some kind
of metal insert). On the aluminum Cannondale, the dropout had a
depression worn into it on the drive side from the force of the axle
being pulled toward the front of the bike by pedaling.

This causes the axle to move farther forward (not down in the slot,
but forward into the frame parallel to the ground) on the drive side,
which causes the wheel to be closer to the left chainstay at the
bottom bracket, even on a perfectly true and dished wheel. It's not
so bad yet that the tire rubs like yours, but it might be something to
look at on your bike. At some point I intend to file away a little of
the dropout on the non-drive side to match the missing bit on the
drive side, as soon as I have the time and gather up the courage to
take a file to my frame.

Michael

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I have a 2001 Trek 5200 ... yesterday while riding I noticed a noise and
looked down to see my rear wheel was rubbing near the bottom bracket. I
took the wheel off and then put it back on (thinking it was not seeded
right). That helped just a little bit (so that it wasn't rubbing so bad).
I thought perhaps the skewer needed to be replaced but tried that and it
didn't seem to help much either. What should I be looking for or trying?
What could the problem be? This is the first time I've noticed this
behavior and I ride the bike a lot.

Any and all help would be most appreciated.

BBB

From your description it sounds like you might have a broken axle. I
have twice experienced exactly the same symptoms you describe, and
both times it was due to a broken axle. I only weight about 135lbs,
so you don't have to be a heavy weight or hit a deadly pot hole in
order to break an axle. Don't delay, your skewer may be all that's
holding it together...

Bruce Rideout