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  1. Hi All

    I was at my son's school last night where the new head teacher was being
    introduced. As this was a social evening I found a chance to introduce
    myself to her and politely brought it to her attention that her new
    school had nowhere to keep bicycles. This I pointed out hardly
    encouraged the children to cycle to school and may have something to do
    with approximately 0% of children using this mode of transport.

    The new head made sympathetic noises but was interrupted by a senior
    teacher who basically said they would like children to cycle but the
    roads near the school were far too dangerous. It was not the time or
    place to enter a debate but I was asked to come along to the next
    parents council and see about encouraging cycling.

    So to the title of the post. I intend to go along and point out that
    despite the school's worries, cycling per mile is actually safer than
    walking (about half the number of accidents as I recall). So can anyone
    remember where these statistics are to be found?

    Thanks a lot

    --
    geomannie

  2. bob said:

    So to the title of the post. I intend to go along and point out that
    despite the school's worries, cycling per mile is actually safer than
    walking (about half the number of accidents as I recall). So can anyone
    remember where these statistics are to be found?

    http://www.cyclehelmets.org has quite a bit of stuff on general safety,
    not /just/ about helmets. http://www.cyclehelmets.org/mf.html?1011 is a
    good place to start.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  3. Quoted message said:

    cycling per mile is actually safer than
    walking (about half the number of accidents as I recall). So can anyone
    remember where these statistics are to be found?

    www.statistics.gov.uk and search for passenger death rates. IIRC it's
    around 30% safer per mile.

    Rather than go for cycling being safer than walking, I'd argue that they're
    about the same - it's easier for people to accept and I believe the per
    hour data swaps the two around.

    --
    Mark T

  4. On 24 Aug, 11:49, bob <downiegeon0spam.co.uk@downie#n0sapm#.co.uk>

    Quoted message said:

    Hi All

    I was at my son's school last night where the new head teacher was being
    introduced. As this was a social evening I found a chance to introduce
    myself to her and politely brought it to her attention that her new
    school had nowhere to keep bicycles. This I pointed out hardly
    encouraged the children to cycle to school and may have something to do
    with approximately 0% of children using this mode of transport.

    The new head made sympathetic noises but was interrupted by a senior
    teacher who basically said they would like children to cycle but the
    roads near the school were far too dangerous. It was not the time or
    place to enter a debate but I was asked to come along to the next
    parents council and see about encouraging cycling.

    So to the title of the post. I intend to go along and point out that
    despite the school's worries, cycling per mile is actually safer than
    walking (about half the number of accidents as I recall). So can anyone
    remember where these statistics are to be found?

    Thanks a lot

    --
    geomannie

    Not any more, according to this

    http://www.rsm.ac.uk/media/downloads/j06-08child.pdf

    per 10m miles, for children, there were 1.08 ped deaths and 0.84
    cyclist deaths in 1985, but in 2003 there were 0.27 and 0.55
    respectively.

    Still not very dangerous though really.

  5. Mark T said the following on 24/08/2007 12:12:

    Quoted message said:

    Rather than go for cycling being safer than walking, I'd argue that they're
    about the same

    ....as well as pointing out that if more kids did cycle or walk, the
    roads around the schools would have less cars and so be safer. Just
    like it was 15/20-odd years ago before every child had to be driven to
    school.

    When I lived opposite a school, I was actually told by a parent dropping
    her child off (and illegally [1] blocking my drive as she did so) that
    there were too many cars on the road which is why it was too dangerous
    for lickle Tamara to walk. The irony was totally and utterly lost. I
    happen to know that this person lived barely half a mile away.

    [1] this is why it was illegal to block the drive:
    http://www.pbhome.plus.com/school.png

    --
    Paul Boyd
    http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

  6. bob said:


    So to the title of the post. I intend to go along and point out that
    despite the school's worries, cycling per mile is actually safer than
    walking (about half the number of accidents as I recall). So can anyone
    remember where these statistics are to be found?

    Thanks a lot

    Google Road Casualties Great Britain 2005 and its in the last table of
    the last spreadsheet.

    There is also data that Tom of this parish has about cycling to school
    with quite a good presentation he did IIRC.

    --
    Tony

    " I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
    Bertrand Russell

  7. On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:49:01 +0100, bob

    downiegeon0spam.co.uk@downie#n0sapm#.co.uk said:

    Hi All

    I was at my son's school last night where the new head teacher was being
    introduced. As this was a social evening I found a chance to introduce
    myself to her and politely brought it to her attention that her new
    school had nowhere to keep bicycles. This I pointed out hardly
    encouraged the children to cycle to school and may have something to do
    with approximately 0% of children using this mode of transport.

    The new head made sympathetic noises but was interrupted by a senior
    teacher who basically said they would like children to cycle but the
    roads near the school were far too dangerous. It was not the time or
    place to enter a debate but I was asked to come along to the next
    parents council and see about encouraging cycling.

    Ask if the school has a travel plan. If not work with the school to
    set one up. IIRC the government has set aside £22.5m over the next 3
    years for English and Welsh schools outside London to spend on capital
    projects such as cycle parking. In addition funding from the local
    authority is available to improve on and off-road provision for
    cyclists around schools, including toucan crossings, cycle links to
    schools, bike priority schemes and traffic calming measures.

    The following DfT guidance may be useful, and will probably have more
    credibility among non-cyclists than cyclehelmets.org. It even has a
    fair statement about helmet use.

    However, I would certainly advise against a cycle permit scheme unless
    the school is willing to administer a similar scheme for those who
    want to walk, be driven or use public transport to get to school:
    cycling should be seen as a normal activity, not one that needs a
    special permit.

    http://tinyurl.com/2kbku3 from:
    www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/sustainable/schooltravel/schools/asaferjourneytoschoolaguidet5758?page=10#a1065

    =====QUOTE=====
    A safer journey to school: a guide to school travel plans

    More cycling
    Regular cycling protects against heart disease, stroke and other
    illnesses, and raises self-confidence and well being.

    Most children own bicycles and many would like to use them for the
    school journey, but very few do. Traffic danger is the main reason,
    with cyclists among the most vulnerable road users. But where schools
    have the benefit of a network of cycle routes and slower speeds, the
    whole picture changes, and cycling can become a popular choice for
    travel to school. Cycling gives children more freedom and has great
    benefits for health: regular cycling can add years to life.

    Reducing road danger
    The key to meeting safety concerns is safety measures that give a real
    reduction in road danger. In the Netherlands, as cycling has become
    safer, casualties have fallen, even though the number of people
    cycling has risen. Plans for changes in road layout around the school
    should incorporate safer cycle routes. In co-operation with the local
    authority and cycling organisations, schools can identify the best
    routes for traffic-free and traffic-calmed cycling. This may mean
    clearing, surfacing and lighting muddy tracks to make them usable
    cycle paths, creating cycle tracks alongside roads, or marking cycle
    lanes on roads while enforcing slower traffic speeds. Junctions can be
    redesigned to give priority to cyclists. Cycle routes should be
    continuous.

    School cycle racks
    Cycle routes alone are not enough to make cycling to school a
    practical option. Cycle parking will be needed, preferably in a
    covered area overlooked by classrooms or offices, and convenient for
    the main entrance. Stands or racks should allow the cycle frame, and
    not just the front wheel, to be locked to them using a 'D-lock' or
    something similar. Smaller stands may be required for primary age
    pupils. While providing secure stands, schools need to make pupils and
    parents aware that if a bike is stolen the school will not be held
    liable. Many insurance companies will cover bicycles under a standard
    household contents policy, provided they are locked securely. Separate
    insurance may be necessary for more expensive bikes. Postcode tagging
    can be carried out by local police.

    Cyclist training
    Young cyclists need training to prepare for riding on roads. Most
    local authority road safety departments offer cyclist training for
    children aged ten and above, and can be invited into school to run
    courses. Those that don't may be able to provide guidance and training
    to enable the school to set up its own scheme. Instructors should be
    experienced adult cyclists who have received training from a road
    safety officer. Research shows that the most effective courses are
    those which include on-road training. Children learn more if they take
    the course over several weeks rather than one or two. Problem-solving
    approaches, which teach 'cycling awareness', appear to make children
    safer cyclists than more traditional, instruction based courses. As
    with pedestrian training, it is important to make it clear that
    courses will not automatically equip children to take to the road.
    These decisions have to be made in the light of local conditions and
    remain the responsibility of parents and children. Some road safety
    departments offer one-to-one training on the route between home and
    school. Others have run special courses for parents and children
    cycling together.

    Safety gear and advice
    Cyclists are safer if they are more visible. Schools can help by
    selling discounted reflective clothing and accessories. Children
    should be advised to carry spare batteries for lights and change them
    as soon as they run low. Helmets can reduce the severity of head
    injuries in accidents (though their effectiveness diminishes with
    speed). Helmets should be properly fitted, have a 'CE' mark and should
    meet either the European standard BS EN1078:1997, or the American
    standard SNELL B95.

    Maintenance checks
    Cycles ridden to school should be fully roadworthy and properly
    maintained. Some schools offer classes in cycle repair. Road safety
    officers or cycling organisations can help run maintenance check-ups.
    It is useful if schools can keep spare sets of lights, locks, pumps
    and repair kits to lend to children who have lost their own, and set
    up a bike maintenance area.

    Cycle permit schemes
    Some schools operate a cycle parking permit scheme. This is a
    contract, drawn up between the school, the pupil and the parents, to
    set out the conditions for cycling to school and obtain the parents'
    consent. Sample permits are available (see resource file). Permit
    forms set out the school's cycling policy, while emphasising that the
    decision on whether the child is competent to cycle remains with the
    parent. Forms can also include advice on safety and insurance and
    provide a record of the bicycle's make and serial number. Schools need
    to decide what conditions they wish to attach to permits. These might,
    for example, include that:

    the bicycle is roadworthy and has passed a maintenance check
    the cyclist has completed an approved training course
    the bicycle will be securely locked in an approved area
    the cyclist will follow a 'good cycling code' (see resource file).
    Lockers and carriers
    Schools can provide secure lockers to store cycling equipment and
    reduce the number of books that children have to take home. Panniers
    are recommended for carrying books on bikes.

    Cycling events
    Cycling can be promoted with special events at school such as a 'cycle
    challenge': children are encouraged to try out a range of cycling
    skills including riding slowly and around obstacles. Schools may like
    to take part in national events such as charity bike rides.

    Routes into the community
    At Kesgrave High School in Suffolk, a network of traffic-free cycle
    routes links nearby housing estates and enables pupils to cycle from
    up to five miles away without going along a main road. Around 60% of
    pupils come by bike, and traffic at the school gate is kept to a
    minimum. Brian Hawkins, the school's deputy head, says: "The whole of
    our local community is a learning resource because so many of the kids
    will cycle to local facilities." The school actively encourages
    cycling and provides secure cycle storage and lockers.

    Journey focus
    At Temple Moor High School in Leeds pupils in Year 7 are offered cycle
    training with a special focus on the journey to school. Road safety
    officers ride with them pointing out potential hazards and
    recommending the best route.

    Resource file
    Right Track: Cycling awareness programme tutor's guide is available
    from The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents, Edgbaston
    Park, 353 Bristol Road, Birmingham B5 7ST, tel 0121 248 2000, £52.50
    for a pack of 10.

    Code of Good Practice: The practical aspects of cyclists' training is
    also available from ROSPA, price £5.

    A sample school cycle parking permit is available from Sustrans with
    the information sheet Cycling to School: Advice for parents and
    schools. Also from Sustrans is The Good Cycling Code. PO Box 21,
    Bristol BS99 4HA, both are free of charge.

    Cycle bells, reflective tabards and bands are also available from
    Sustrans.

    Information about national cycling events is available from CTC,
    Cotterell House, 69 Meadrow, Godalming, Surrey, GU7 3HS, tel 01483
    417217, fax 01483 426994.

  8. Paul Boyd usenet.is.worse@plusnet said:

    ...as well as pointing out that if more kids did cycle or walk, the
    roads around the schools would have less cars and so be safer. Just
    like it was 15/20-odd years ago before every child had to be driven to
    school.

    There have been suggestions here before that parking should be strictly
    limited around schools to stop parents and children creating exactly the
    hazards that scare them. There seems to be a move to do that at a school
    near me : I'm not aware of any huge traffic accident rate so I presume
    it's just an experiment (the parents did used to clog the road up badly).

    3-4 years ago the speed limit on the road (wide, straight, with very
    wide verges so houses are set well back, used by both residential
    traffic and HGVs on the way to a trading estate) was reduced from 40
    to 30. There were already crossing/pinch points at each end of the
    school. Over the last year there have been further changes : yellow
    lines on both sides of the road for about 100m each way and later,
    bollards and fences stopping parking on the verge.

    There are now 20 and 30 limit signs (the LED type) going up. I don't
    know how they'll be used, but from the siting I suspect that they're
    going to implement a 20 limit for some days or parts of the day only,
    for the same stretch that has yellow lines.

    It will be interesting to see how it works out, though I don't think
    they'll get any useful accident-reduction data as the rate can't be
    high at the moment.

    -adrian

  9. Mark T said:

    I
    believe the per hour data swaps the two around.

    Per hour: the average cyclist risk is about 2.3 times the average pedestrian
    risk

    pk

  10. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I believe the per hour data swaps the two around.

    Per hour: the average cyclist risk is about 2.3 times the average
    pedestrian risk

    Phew, good job cycling is 4 times as quick 😉

    --
    Mark T

  11. POHB said:

    On 24 Aug, 11:49, bob <downiegeon0spam.co.uk@downie#n0sapm#.co.uk>

    Quoted message said:

    Hi All

    I was at my son's school last night where the new head teacher was being
    introduced. As this was a social evening I found a chance to introduce
    myself to her and politely brought it to her attention that her new
    school had nowhere to keep bicycles. This I pointed out hardly
    encouraged the children to cycle to school and may have something to do
    with approximately 0% of children using this mode of transport.

    The new head made sympathetic noises but was interrupted by a senior
    teacher who basically said they would like children to cycle but the
    roads near the school were far too dangerous. It was not the time or
    place to enter a debate but I was asked to come along to the next
    parents council and see about encouraging cycling.

    So to the title of the post. I intend to go along and point out that
    despite the school's worries, cycling per mile is actually safer than
    walking (about half the number of accidents as I recall). So can anyone
    remember where these statistics are to be found?

    Thanks a lot

    --
    geomannie

    Not any more, according to this

    http://www.rsm.ac.uk/media/downloads/j06-08child.pdf

    per 10m miles, for children, there were 1.08 ped deaths and 0.84
    cyclist deaths in 1985, but in 2003 there were 0.27 and 0.55
    respectively.

    Still not very dangerous though really.

    Hm, not at all dangerous, compared to say, living.

    Asssuming that children cycle at an average speed of 10 miles an hour, and
    using the more recent figure, that's one child cyclist death every 220
    years (roughly) of non-stop cycling.

  12. Mark T said:


    Rather than go for cycling being safer than walking, I'd argue that
    they're about the same - it's easier for people to accept and I
    believe the per hour data swaps the two around.

    Except that if you are proceeding from home to school when either
    cycling or walking you're unlikely to make the journey take the same
    time, and rather more likely to make the journey the same distance -
    about the distance from home to school.

    regards, Ian SMith
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  13. Ian Smith said:
    Mark T said:

    Rather than go for cycling being safer than walking, I'd argue that
    they're about the same - it's easier for people to accept and I
    believe the per hour data swaps the two around.

    Except that if you are proceeding from home to school when either
    cycling or walking you're unlikely to make the journey take the same
    time, and rather more likely to make the journey the same distance -
    about the distance from home to school.

    I have to disagree.
    If I am cycling to work, I take the shortest/best route
    available.
    If I am cycling home from work, I sometimes take a route
    that is twenty miles longer than the route to work.

  14. In article said:
    Ian Smith said:
    Mark T said:

    Rather than go for cycling being safer than walking, I'd argue that
    they're about the same - it's easier for people to accept and I
    believe the per hour data swaps the two around.

    Except that if you are proceeding from home to school when either
    cycling or walking you're unlikely to make the journey take the same
    time, and rather more likely to make the journey the same distance -
    about the distance from home to school.

    I have to disagree.
    If I am cycling to work, I take the shortest/best route
    available.
    If I am cycling home from work, I sometimes take a route
    that is twenty miles longer than the route to work.

    I know other people who do similar things (on bike or foot), but I
    think "rather more likely" is still true, and allows for exceptions.

  15. Martin Dann said:
    Ian Smith said:
    Mark T said:

    Rather than go for cycling being safer than walking, I'd argue that
    they're about the same - it's easier for people to accept and I
    believe the per hour data swaps the two around.

    Except that if you are proceeding from home to school when either
    cycling or walking you're unlikely to make the journey take the same
    time, and rather more likely to make the journey the same distance -
    about the distance from home to school.

    I have to disagree.
    If I am cycling to work, I take the shortest/best route
    available.
    If I am cycling home from work, I sometimes take a route
    that is twenty miles longer than the route to work.

    That's not disagreeing with what I said.

    regards, Ian SMith
    --
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  16. In article <[email hidden]>, Martin Dann
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    I have to disagree.
    If I am cycling to work, I take the shortest/best route
    available.
    If I am cycling home from work, I sometimes take a route
    that is twenty miles longer than the route to work.


    That makes the trip leisure/fitness rather than utility cycling, so it
    can be discounted.

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