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  1. B. Lafferty said:
    benjo maso said:

    There was so much despair that in 1967 Loretto Petrucci (winner in '52 and
    '53), who had stopped in 1956, even decided to make a come-back.

    And. And.........?

    Whaddaya think?
    http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.net/ligne/cla_san_remo.php

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  2. He finished with the bunch.

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    There was so much despair that in 1967 Loretto Petrucci (winner in '52
    and '53), who had stopped in 1956, even decided to make a come-back.

    And. And.........?

    Guess... -🙂

  3. My Infostrada encyclopedia does not show him racing after 1956.
    So........what happened? I suspect there's a good story here.

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    There was so much despair that in 1967 Loretto Petrucci (winner in '52
    and '53), who had stopped in 1956, even decided to make a come-back.

    And. And.........?

    Guess... -🙂

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    He finished with the bunch.

    No. After a few unimportant races he discovered that bicycle racing hadn't
    slowed down in those eleven years, so he retired again.

    Benjo Maso

  5. Milan San Remo does suck. The Poggio doesn't force enough of a selection,
    so you wind up with too many bunch sprints.
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    Ewoud Dronkert said:
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    Tour of Flanders
    Liege - Bastogne - Liege
    Paris Roubaix
    Milano - San Remo
    Giro di Lomabardia

    I like Paris-Roubaix best. Oh man, I'm high from anticipation a week
    before. I tell all my rowing friends, "Next Sunday P-R!" and the
    response is mostly "Ah right". I haven't seen it live in years


    because

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    it always coincides with a big university regatta I help organize,


    but

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    when I come home after a long long day I still start the 6h video


    tape,

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    and invariably fall asleep before Arenberg. I stay in Monday
    (pre-arranged for the off chance that my club wins) and dedicate it


    to

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    the Cobbled Classic. I can intensely enjoy the images. Heroes, pure
    heroes. You can't hide, and there's always drama.

    Next is the Ronde. Great too, but I'm not into it that much. It does


    get

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    hyped hugely by Flemish media, so it's easy to go along on that wave.


    In

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    the interview last night, Dekker was asked which race he'd pick if he
    could win just once more. "Can I pick two? The Ronde and Worlds."
    Boogerd likes it too. Normally more suited to the Ardennes classics,


    he

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    has a mini obsession for the Ronde (although, he's probably obsessive
    about a lot of things).

    If I have to rank the remaining, it would be: LBL, Lombardy, San


    Remo.

    Dumbass -

    Nice post.
    I'd put Milan-San Remo last too, by a wide margin.

    K. Gringioni.

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    Btw, can you fix the annoying prefix of your signature? Agent, my news
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    Milan San Remo does suck. The Poggio doesn't force enough of a selection,
    so you wind up with too many bunch sprints.

    Not every race has to have a Lombardy-like parcours. The riders have
    300km to make a selection. But ofcourse if they wait until the
    Poggio, the chances for a bunch sprint increase. And there is nothing
    wrong with a bunch sprint when everybody knows that is the character
    of the race. I don't hear anyone complain about Paris-Tours or
    Gent-Wevelgem. They don't even have climbs like in the capi in M-S.

    Kenny

  8. [quote="Brenton James"]Dumbass, I'm not talking about terrain. I'm talking about road surface
    conditions.

    To Borrow a page from someone else's book...

    Dumb-ass,

    Road conditions/surface make the terrain, and becomes part of it. Yes? No?

    Tom

  9. Not to mention that the relative importance of the participating "cycling
    nations" is also changing. Look at Spain, Germany, Australia and the US.
    Cyclist of these countries have centered their interest mostly around the
    TdF and the stage racing. And it seems clear that the relative importance of
    the classics have decreased (including the italian ones). Now if your
    combine that with the collapse of France in terms of generation of talent...
    (or use of drugs whatever you want to chose).

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    In bicycle racing tradition is more important than any other race. From
    1948 until 1958 - in many respects the golden age of bicycle racing -
    there were in the Clallenge Desgrange-Colombo 8 classics with a special
    status: Paris-Roubaix, Ronde van Vlaanderen, Milan-San Remo, Flèche
    Wallone, Paris-Tours, Paris-Bruxelles, Giro di Lombardia and
    Liège-Bastogne-Liège (added a little later). In the Trophée Super
    Prestige Pernod which replaced the Challenge Desgrange-Colombo,
    Paris-Roubaix had always some more points than the other seven.
    Paris-Bruxelles lost much of its value because it wasn't organized
    between 1967 and 1972. So did Paris-Tours because not only the direction,
    but also the name changed continually. On the other hand, the
    Flèche-Wallone lost its place in the World cup only because it was
    organized on wednesday, instead of saturday or sunday (suddenly it was
    superseded by races which were only "classics" by name, instead of
    tradition). Now that the World cup disappeares, I hope the Flèche Wallone
    will get back its rightful place in the monuments. The same goes for
    Paris-Tours and Paris-Bruxelles, with Paris-Roubaix the two classics with
    the logest tradition (Liège-Bastogne-Liège became only in 1930 a race for
    professionals).

    Benjo Maso

    Great post. The importance list would also be influenced by nationality.
    Wouldn't Milano-San Remo be of greater importance to most Italian riders
    than the Northern classic, with the exception of Paris-Roubaix? My
    impression also is that the riders from the North were more interested in
    Lomabrdy than M-SR.

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