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  1. I’d like to put a slightly different slant on ‘Merckx better than Armstrong better than whoever’ This thread is not just about races won but about style, panache, original contributions, changing the game, and so on

    My choice is Jacques Anquetil.

    We are living through an era of cycling greats. 20 of the last 40 TdFs have been won by just four riders, all of whom have done the Tour/Giro double; Merckx, Hinault, Indurain and Armstrong. All of these have their supporters claiming ‘greatest ever’.

    Anquetil did it all first.

    He was the greatest time triallist in history, bar none. He won the GP des Nations nine times, six in a row 1953/58 We can be sure that if there were a world’s TT championship he would have been favourite from 1953 to 1967 at least, and it’s hard to see anyone who could have beaten him..

    He took eight major tour wins to Coppi’s seven and was the first to win all three major tours. He won five TdFs when the previous maximum was three. In 1961-64 he dominated in a way that even Lance has not. He took yellow on the first day and kept it, having announced in January that he would. He did the Giro/Tour double in ’64, thought to be impossible to repeat (only the legend Coppi had ever done it). He didn’t start in 1965 only because his prestige could not be enhanced by another win. He did the Dauphine Libere/Bordeaux-Paris double instead. He won Paris-Nice five times.

    He was the first modern cyclist.

    He redefined position on the bike; the standard then was low saddle, heels kept low throughout the pedal stroke, and relatively shallow forward lean. Jacques had the saddle high and bars low, the first rider to make his back flat. He had a much higher saddle because he pioneered the raised-heel style now universal. Although much copied his action was in fact unique; try it yourself. On the turbo, raise your heels until your feet are locked in a toes-down stance. Now pedal the full revolution that way. It’s very odd! Now, don’t just push but pull hard on the pedals’ up-stroke; you’ll see it adds great power to it. Then the pain starts. He rode that way all the time.

    He pioneered high gears

    His cadence was always 88-92, now well known as the perfect TT rhythm - which he used all the time. Even his hour attempt in ’67 was on 52x13 for 92rpm Chris Boardman used only 56x13 to go 9km further!

  2. Beryl Burton is my choice.

    At the top of her game for so long.

  3. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by 2LAP
    Beryl Burton is my choice.

    Greate choice! 26 consecutive Best All Rounder titles, the open 12 hour record still standing after 36 years, so much achieved.

    Redefining women's capabilities as better than most men, equal to many, better than all at 12 hours, all done as full-time mother and worker - no professional rider she.

  4. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Roy Gardiner
    Greate choice! 26 consecutive Best All Rounder titles, the open 12 hour record still standing after 36 years, so much achieved.

    Redefining women's capabilities as better than most men, equal to many, better than all at 12 hours, all done as full-time mother and worker - no professional rider she.


    Don't forget the Golds at the Worlds and I think she held the Women's hour record too. No doubt she did this all while she was 'clean'; a comment that many cannot make about some of the male riders people are championing as being the best riders in the world ever.

  5. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by 2LAP
    Don't forget the Golds at the Worlds and I think she held the Women's hour record too. No doubt she did this all while she was 'clean'; a comment that many cannot make about some of the male riders people are championing as being the best riders in the world ever.

    How do you truly know she was clean? You watched her every second of every day? No one is entirely clean...

    Memph

  6. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Roy Gardiner
    I’d like to put a slightly different slant on ‘Merckx better than Armstrong better than whoever’ This thread is not just about races won but about style, panache, original contributions, changing the game, and so on

    My choice is Jacques Anquetil.

    We are living through an era of cycling greats. 20 of the last 40 TdFs have been won by just four riders, all of whom have done the Tour/Giro double; Merckx, Hinault, Indurain and Armstrong. All of these have their supporters claiming ‘greatest ever’.

    Anquetil did it all first.

    He was the greatest time triallist in history, bar none. He won the GP des Nations nine times, six in a row 1953/58 We can be sure that if there were a world’s TT championship he would have been favourite from 1953 to 1967 at least, and it’s hard to see anyone who could have beaten him..

    He took eight major tour wins to Coppi’s seven and was the first to win all three major tours. He won five TdFs when the previous maximum was three. In 1961-64 he dominated in a way that even Lance has not. He took yellow on the first day and kept it, having announced in January that he would. He did the Giro/Tour double in ’64, thought to be impossible to repeat (only the legend Coppi had ever done it). He didn’t start in 1965 only because his prestige could not be enhanced by another win. He did the Dauphine Libere/Bordeaux-Paris double instead. He won Paris-Nice five times.

    He was the first modern cyclist.

    He redefined position on the bike; the standard then was low saddle, heels kept low throughout the pedal stroke, and relatively shallow forward lean. Jacques had the saddle high and bars low, the first rider to make his back flat. He had a much higher saddle because he pioneered the raised-heel style now universal. Although much copied his action was in fact unique; try it yourself. On the turbo, raise your heels until your feet are locked in a toes-down stance. Now pedal the full revolution that way. It’s very odd! Now, don’t just push but pull hard on the pedals’ up-stroke; you’ll see it adds great power to it. Then the pain starts. He rode that way all the time.

    He pioneered high gears

    His cadence was always 88-92, now well known as the perfect TT rhythm - which he used all the time. Even his hour attempt in ’67 was on 52x13 for 92rpm Chris Boardman used only 56x13 to go 9km further!

    My fave rider would have to be a fellow country man, Curt Harnett. I rode with him a few times. He was a great down to earth person. Always willing to give advice and help. Plus one of the biggest cyclist I have ever seen. His upper legs were as wide as my waist......

    Memph

  7. Curt sure did have the biggest thighs I have ever seen on a cyclist. And a mean mullet too!

    Overall I'd still lean towards Eddy Merckx for his sheer desire to dominate and the range of races he won.

  8. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by patch70
    Curt sure did have the biggest thighs I have ever seen on a cyclist. And a mean mullet too!

    Overall I'd still lean towards Eddy Merckx for his sheer desire to dominate and the range of races he won.

    I have a signed life sized poser of Curt in my hall beside my bikes. Just a reminder of why I ride.

    Eddy was GREAT, just before my time and from another country......

    Memph

  9. Johan Museeuw is the rider I admire most. He's great classics rider and has been on top level for a long time. He's not any mountain goat or some other skinny anorectic like lame cyclist but he's a attacking rider who is great in the races I like most(Paris-Roubaix and Ronde van Vlaanderen).

    Maybe we'll have one rider to adore coming up from Finland as well...Jukka Vastaranta is very talented rider who's palmares from 2003 season are unbelievable for a 19 year old rider. Unfortunately a crash at the last stage of Tour de l'Avenir ruined his second part of season (World championships).

  10. My next choice after Maitre Jacques is Mario Cipollini, for the same reasoning. SuperMario has revolutionised cycling.

    Before him, road cyclists were rated as: Tour riders, classics and one day specialists, short stage race riders, climbers, equipers (including team time trial engines, roulers, all the support functions). Sprinting wasn't even really recognised as a specialist area commanding respect.

    For example, how much attention did Jean-Paul van Poppel get? As fast as anyone, he'd pop up in the Tour and would be ignored for the rest of the year.

    Mario has talked loud ([censored] star indeed!), worn funny clothes on and off the bike, driven silly cars, courted publicity (giving his rainbow jersey to the bike museum on the same day as the Tour of Lombardy is an example) and generally made himself a spectacle. To the extent that he is probably now the most reported rider and pictured rider, all year round, of them all. Only LA will get more, and only during the Tour.

    Cipollini has single-handedly created respect for the out-and-out, 100% sprint specialists.

    The other specialists - McEwen, Petacchi, Freire, Cooke et al, all owe their high profile to the Lion King. Even Zabel with six Tour points wins did not create the impact of Cipo.

    The sport will never be the same again.

  11. TYLER HAMILTON

  12. Having lost a mother to breast / liver cancer after seeing her suffer for over a year with chemo etc, my respect still lies with Lance.

    If you've ever been close to anyone suffering cancer, you'll understand why. Oh and I like Petacchi as well...great sprinter (but no cancer survivor)...

  13. I'd have two choices, both being domestic beasts ...........

    And both rode for Motorola ......... Frankie Andreu and Sean Yates.

    I have huge admiration for both of those riders. The Superdomestiques of the peloton!

    To have Yates get the Jersey in '94 was a great event in cycling history. Being able to ride by his home in yellow is a dream for any rider, but especially for one who sacrifices himself ALL the time for their teammate.

  14. Bernard Hinault.

    He was "le patron" . He could completely dominate the group. And he could win any course, if need be in the mass-sprint. Merckx has the bigger palmares, but for me the personality of Bernard Hinault does it.

    The face he had when he was going deep... ready to eat rocks like biscuit. Or the arrogance as he leads the strike in the Tour de France.

    Btw: Lately the (dutch?) media craps on about it being " pathetic" that Bernard Hinault is delegated to lead the stage winners towards the V.I.P.s. Is it just me, or is that a superbe job??? He is the first one to shake the winners hand... wich cycle lover wouldn't love that? Media... pfffff....... As if he couldn't do something else if he wanted.

  15. tyler hamilton - broken collarbone - say no more

  16. Definetely Jurgen Van den Broeck,
    he's Champion of the World timetrial for -18.
    He won Luik - Bastenaken - Luik for -18
    Now he's riding for US Postal

  17. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by mister.G.
    Definetely Jurgen Van den Broeck,
    he's Champion of the World timetrial for -18.
    He won Luik - Bastenaken - Luik for -18
    Now he's riding for US Postal


    for me to,he's the comming men😄

  18. roberto herras

  19. Eric Wohlberg

  20. Alexander Vinokourov

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