Who has crashed more than Tyler ?

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But after his gruesome crash at the Tour of Holland today, I just can't think of another rider who
has hit the pavement more than he has.

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Does anyone know of a rider who has crashed more times than Tyler? It seems unbelievable, because
the guy is clearly one of the most skilled riders in the world. Is it just bad luck, or is there
something more to it?

I can't believe it's just bad luck.

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All the world champions get to wear the rainbow stripes. Band-aid should make an adhesive-strip
jersey for the guy as the toughest, most accident prone rider in the peloton. It is hard to watch
such a great guy get shredded.

I agree... it's pretty frustrating too. You want to see the guy do well, and *whap*, down he goes
again:-( I can't immagine how it must be for him.

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MT said:

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Does anyone know of a rider who has crashed more times than Tyler?

For the past year I think that would be me.

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Does anyone know of a rider who has crashed more times than Tyler

Scott Sunderland?

Jean Robic.

Benjo Maso

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Does anyone know of a rider who has crashed more times than Tyler? It seems unbelievable, because
the guy is clearly one of the most skilled riders in the world. Is it just bad luck, or is there
something more to it?

Forza Tyler!

Alex Zuelle

Mike

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Tyler Hamilton has more determination and toughness than any rider on the planet. That is
just a fact.

But after his gruesome crash at the Tour of Holland today, I just can't think of another rider who
has hit the pavement more than he has.

Does anyone know of a rider who has crashed more times than Tyler? It seems unbelievable, because
the guy is clearly one of the most skilled riders in the world. Is it just bad luck, or is there
something more to it?

All the world champions get to wear the rainbow stripes. Band-aid should make an adhesive-strip
jersey for the guy as the toughest, most accident prone rider in the peloton. It is hard to watch
such a great guy get shredded.

Forza Tyler!

I originally thought you posted this in response to his previous wrecks and then I realized he
crashed again. I don't know if there is a database record of crashes, but if there is you can be
sure that Tyler would be at the top of the list.

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Does anyone know of a rider who has crashed more times than Tyler? It seems unbelievable,
because the guy is clearly one of the most skilled riders in the world. Is it just bad luck, or
is there something more to it?

Forza Tyler!

Alex Zuelle

That's what I would have said, but Mr. Hamilton may be on the verge of surpassing him.

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Does anyone know of a rider who has crashed more times than Tyler? It seems unbelievable,
because the guy is clearly one of the most skilled riders in the world. Is it just bad luck, or
is there something more to it?

I can't believe it's just bad luck.

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I'll go out on a limb here, but cycling is not a sport where the most coordinated are necessarily
the best - it rewards aerobic capacity more than anything else. I have personally seen many very
strong riders who were, putting it kindly, spazzes. Maybe Tyler crashes so often because he isn't
athletic enough to avoid doing so.

Mort

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I'll go out on a limb here, but cycling is not a sport where the most coordinated are necessarily
the best - it rewards aerobic capacity more than anything else. I have personally seen many very
strong riders who were, putting it kindly, spazzes. Maybe Tyler crashes so often because he isn't
athletic enough to avoid doing so.

While I'm inclined to agree with you about the coordination part (ever watch a 5 on 5 pickup
basketball game between bike racers?), Tyler's individual history as a skier would contradict that
generalization.

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While I'm inclined to agree with you about the coordination part (ever

watch

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a 5 on 5 pickup basketball game between bike racers?), Tyler's individual history as a skier would
contradict that generalization.

Dumbass -

I concur.

Skiing is all balance and power.

Bike handling is all balance.

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While I'm inclined to agree with you about the coordination part (ever

watch

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a 5 on 5 pickup basketball game between bike racers?), Tyler's

individual

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history as a skier would contradict that generalization.

Dumbass -

I concur.

Skiing is all balance and power.

Bike handling is all balance.

If you consider balance to be quick decision-making, hand-eye (or hand-eye-foot) coordination, and
excellent timing then I agree with you.

Also, the importance of handling a bike is not nearly as critical as being able to handle your skis
in determining success.

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While I'm inclined to agree with you about the coordination part (ever

watch

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a 5 on 5 pickup basketball game between bike racers?), Tyler's individual history as a skier would
contradict that generalization.

I am guessing that Tyler has one or two bad habits that put him at risk. Maybe he is not skilled at
picking a line through a turn on concrete (as opposed to snow) or maybe he tends to follow to close,
or not look at the right places...or or or

IOW, he is missing one or more cycling specific skills.

There is clearly something going on beyond poor luck.

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I am guessing that Tyler has one or two bad habits that put him at risk. Maybe he is not skilled
at picking a line through a turn on concrete (as opposed to snow) or maybe he tends to follow to
close, or not look at the right places...or or or

IOW, he is missing one or more cycling specific skills.

There is clearly something going on beyond poor luck.

But was TH known as a crasher when he was on USPS?

When you throw out the Giro crash (mechanical) and the Tour crash (big sprint finish pile-up) what
are his crashing palmares?

Lemond had a fair share of crashes, too. If he hadn't broken his wrist early in 1987, he wouldn't
have been mistaken for a turkey.

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But was TH known as a crasher when he was on USPS?

I don't recall. Certainly not on the scale he is crashing these days.

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When you throw out the Giro crash (mechanical) and the Tour crash (big sprint finish pile-up) what
are his crashing palmares?

I seem to remember having this discussion at the time of the Giro crash. IOW, he was already known
as a chronic crasher back then. I think I recall a few training crashes and a few Tour crashes. He
fell in the last 3 Tours, for example. He crashed in the TTT one year and I think at least one other
big pile up. In fact, he may have also crashed in the 99 Tour, I recall him in the mountains with
bandages all over his arms. He may have crashed in ever Tour he has entered! Now I am curious. I
will see if I can actually find out.

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Lemond had a fair share of crashes, too. If he hadn't broken his wrist

early

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in 1987, he wouldn't have been mistaken for a turkey.

Not on the scale of Tyler. There are only a few riders that crash as often. That I am aware of,
Lemond only broke bones in the crash you mentioned.

Nick Burns said:

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But was TH known as a crasher when he was on USPS?

I don't recall. Certainly not on the scale he is crashing these days.

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When you throw out the Giro crash (mechanical) and the Tour crash (big sprint finish pile-up)
what are his crashing palmares?

I seem to remember having this discussion at the time of the Giro crash. IOW, he was already known
as a chronic crasher back then. I think I recall a few training crashes and a few Tour crashes. He
fell in the last 3 Tours, for example. He crashed in the TTT one year and I think at least one
other big pile up. In fact, he may have also crashed in the 99 Tour, I recall him in the mountains
with bandages all over his arms. He may have crashed in ever Tour he has entered! Now I am
curious. I will see if I can actually find out.

It was Christian Vandevelde (not Tyler Hamilton) that crashed in the TTT (in 2001, taking out
Roberto Heras at the same time) ...

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Lemond had a fair share of crashes, too. If he hadn't broken his wrist

early

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in 1987, he wouldn't have been mistaken for a turkey.

Not on the scale of Tyler. There are only a few riders that crash as often. That I am aware of,
Lemond only broke bones in the crash you mentioned.

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While I'm inclined to agree with you about the coordination part (ever

watch

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a 5 on 5 pickup basketball game between bike racers?), Tyler's

individual

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history as a skier would contradict that generalization.

Dumbass -

I concur.

Skiing is all balance and power.

Bike handling is all balance.

If you consider balance to be quick decision-making, hand-eye (or hand-eye-foot) coordination, and
excellent timing then I agree with you.

I suppose there is an element of hand-eye with regards to the brake.

As for picking the line, there's an illusion that your hands do the work, but it's mostly shifting
the hips (balance).

Rik Verbrugghe has been crashing more than Tyler in recent history. But everyone considers it just
part of his general total failure, and pays no attention.

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Lemond had a fair share of crashes, too. If he hadn't broken his wrist early in 1987, he wouldn't
have been mistaken for a turkey.

...And, we could have two American 5 time Tour winners. Lemond also crashed in the final time trial of the '86 Tour where we almost had a 6 time French Tour Champion.

The greatest frequent crasher of all time was Abdujaparov!

Carl Sundquist? Of track racing, Multi-National Champion fame?

Bobby Julich.

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Tyler Hamilton has more determination and toughness than any rider on the planet. That is
just a fact.

But after his gruesome crash at the Tour of Holland today, I just can't think of another rider who
has hit the pavement more than he has.

Does anyone know of a rider who has crashed more times than Tyler? It seems unbelievable, because
the guy is clearly one of the most skilled riders in the world. Is it just bad luck, or is there
something more to it?

All the world champions get to wear the rainbow stripes. Band-aid should make an adhesive-strip
jersey for the guy as the toughest, most accident prone rider in the peloton. It is hard to watch
such a great guy get shredded.

Forza Tyler!