Who's Surprised?

Quoted message said:

http://thehill.com/

"In their book about Clinton's rise to power, Her Way, Don Van Natta
Jr., an investigative reporter at The New York Times, and Jeff Gerth,
who spent 30 years as an investigative reporter at the paper, wrote:
"Hillary's defense activities ranged from the inspirational to the
microscopic to the down and dirty. She received memos about the status
of various press inquiries; she vetted senior campaign aides; and she
listened to a secretly recorded audiotape of a phone conversation of
Clinton critics plotting their next attack.

"The tape contained discussions of another woman who might surface
with allegations about an affair with Bill," Gerth and Van Natta wrote
in reference to Clinton's husband, former President Bill Clinton.
"Bill's supporters monitored frequencies used by cell phones, and the
tape was made during one of those monitoring sessions."

A GOP official said, "Hillary Clinton's campaign hypocrisy continues
to know no bounds. It is rather unbelievable that Clinton would listen
in to conversations being conducted by political opponents, but refuse
to allow our intelligence agencies to listen in to conversations being
conducted by terrorists as they plot and plan to kill us. Team Clinton
can expect to see and hear this over and over again over the course of
the next year."

Seems like the Democrats are being shown for what they really are.

Yeah, "people who learned something from the Carter years" for one
thing.

Have allegations surfaced to the effect that Hillary has been treating
with foreign nations before the election/innaugaration or something?
That would make her, at least, equally dirty as Reagan-BushCo :

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile.html

Remember Iran-Contra? What was it that made that OK, again?

http://www.historyhouse.com/in_history/iran_contra/

IOW, did the CIA bring any of the drugs into the USA that figured in
some painful family history chez Kunich?

I see Limbaugh got his draft-dodging, hemorrhoid-infested ass in
another pinch recently. His defenders are calling him a "private
citizen". Ha ha. "Felon" would be better. Oh yeah, that's right, he
used his power and influence to escape punishment he prescribed (to
fix "the biggest problem in the country"😉 for others who did exactly
the same thing he did but didn't want to go to jail for.

Well, why should he? The rules only apply to the little people!

Have you seen any trigger-happy convoys in California yet? --D-y

rec.BICYCLES.RACING

rec.BICYCLES.RACING

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Quoted message said:

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile.html

Remember Iran-Contra? What was it that made that OK, again?

You can believe what you want. I happened to know one of the men who
was on that aborted "rescue" mission into Iran. He said that it was
designed to fail from the start.

Quoted message said:

http://www.historyhouse.com/in_history/iran_contra/

IOW, did the CIA bring any of the drugs into the USA that figured in
some painful family history chez Kunich?

Too bad that you'll take the word of some know-nothing and those who
lie purposely.

A couple of days ago General Sanchez raised hell with the media saying
that they were reporting false stories and were even hiring Al Queda
sympathizers in Iraq to "cover" news events.

What did the press print?

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/123518.html (UPI)

"Sanchez said that in Iraq the United States is "living a nightmare
with no end in sight.""

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/13/iraq/main3363824.shtml?source=RSSattr=U.S._3363824

"He called current strategies - including the deployment of 30,000
additional forces earlier this year - a "desperate attempt" to make up
for years of misguided policies in Iraq."

And more - All in order to do one thing - to misrepresent what the
General said.

These are the people you're willing to put first. So enjoy yourself.
With any luck the Democrats will elect Hillary and she'll be the last
President elected.

Seems like your kind of world.

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I see Limbaugh got his draft-dodging, hemorrhoid-infested ass in
another pinch recently. His defenders are calling him a "private
citizen".

Apparently you haven't any idea what the hell he said and are having
all sorts of fun repeating absolute lies about what he did say. I
don't listen much to Rush but I happened to be changing channels on
the car radio JUST as he said that and heard it from his very mouth.
So I KNOW that the Democrats are lying absolutely about this and
you're right there to help them along.

Quoted message said:

http://thehill.com/

"In their book about Clinton's rise to power, Her Way, Don Van Natta
Jr., an investigative reporter at The New York Times, and Jeff Gerth,
who spent 30 years as an investigative reporter at the paper, wrote:
"Hillary's defense activities ranged from the inspirational to the
microscopic to the down and dirty. She received memos about the status
of various press inquiries; she vetted senior campaign aides; and she
listened to a secretly recorded audiotape of a phone conversation of
Clinton critics plotting their next attack.

"The tape contained discussions of another woman who might surface
with allegations about an affair with Bill," Gerth and Van Natta wrote
in reference to Clinton's husband, former President Bill Clinton.
"Bill's supporters monitored frequencies used by cell phones, and the
tape was made during one of those monitoring sessions."

A GOP official said, "Hillary Clinton's campaign hypocrisy continues
to know no bounds. It is rather unbelievable that Clinton would listen
in to conversations being conducted by political opponents, but refuse
to allow our intelligence agencies to listen in to conversations being
conducted by terrorists as they plot and plan to kill us. Team Clinton
can expect to see and hear this over and over again over the course of
the next year."

Seems like the Democrats are being shown for what they really are.
Friends of Henry?

In the future, please mark these posts OFF-TOPIC. This is
rec.bicycles.racing. There are plenty of political newsgroups on
Google.

Smokey

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Quoted message said:

http://thehill.com/

"In their book about Clinton's rise to power, Her Way, Don Van Natta
Jr., an investigative reporter at The New York Times, and Jeff Gerth,

Would that be the same Van Natta and Gerth that got everything on Whitewater
wrong, Tom?

--
tanx,
Howard

Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

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Apparently you haven't any idea what the hell he said and are having
all sorts of fun repeating absolute lies about what he did say. I
don't listen much to Rush but I happened to be changing channels on
the car radio JUST as he said that and heard it from his very mouth.

Ah, what a happy coincidence, that.

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So I KNOW that the Democrats are lying absolutely about this and
you're right there to help them along.

I guess the recordings of him saying it and the original transcript are fake? Huh,
funny thing that after the loudmouth got called on it, he tried to claim that those
bits of evidence were phony and proved it by chopping a minute and thirty-five
seconds out of the originals.

--
tanx,
Howard

Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

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You can believe what you want. I happened to know one of the men who
was on that aborted "rescue" mission into Iran. He said that it was
designed to fail from the start.

Was that the guy who was riding the motorcycle that broke the record
even after the chain fell off, or the Nobel Prize winner from the dope
lab, among the thousands of important "guys" you know?

The Rush [censored] is on transcript for any/all to read. USA Today,
that bastion of the Left, covered it. Even with their slant (attempted
gloss-over "correction"😉, Rush has a problem. He said "soldiers", not
"soldier", meaning not just the one (alleged) phony mentioned in the
story. That was a really lame attempt by USA today to wash, clean, and
('scuse me) press that one.

IOW, anyone who criticises is a phony, whether they served or not...

This was in the USA Today "Comments" section, sorry for lacking
attribution:

<"I'd Follow You to the Gates of Hell, Col. Rush!"

At times like this, when Cut-and-Runners are seizing control of the
country from God-loving Americans who would take this battle to the
gates of the religious fanatics around the world, I'm reminded that
America has a long tradition of Outstanding Private Citizens who,
having reaped the bounties of God's righteous capitalism, founded and
armed their own regiments to fight Jesus' good fight. Nathan Bedford
Forrest comes to mind...when confronted with the peril of the Yankee,
Forrest having been blessed with vast wealth from the cotton and slave
trades, formed his own regiment, privately paid for, which he then led
as a Colonel, to smite the Iraqi Infidels of his day. In this present
age of Private Smiting Forces (Blackwater, for example), might it not
be a good time for the Good Colonel, that Righteous Firebrand of Godly
Warfare on the radio to rise up and lead us in his own regiment in
this time. For years, the libs have branded him as a fat, bigoted loud-
mouth, too-clever by half--an elitist fatcat content to protect the
wealthy aristocracy and send others off to do the dying for him and
the American ruling class while hiding behind a microphone. Now is the
time to rise up, Col. Rush and lead us to smite the Iraqi Invaders who
attacked us on 9/11. I'm not part of the aristocracy, but I can say
that, as a commoner, I'd be honored to follow great Americans like
Lord Limbaugh and Lady Ann Coulter into battle, if only they'd lead
us! Let us smite with the bayonet, and not just the microphone!>

Rush is a Chickenhawk, don't forget. Ingrown hair follicle on his ass
plus who knows what other shenannigans, got him a pass on risking his
butt in 'Nam. Not to mention problems with getting drugs (more than
one addiction, remember) on base, I guess.

(Remember, laws only apply to the little people, even the laws that
are aimed at The Biggest Problem in the USA Today-- "white guys doing
drugs and getting away with it"😉.

I guess he was like [censored] Cheney and had other things to do besides
defend his country against that older enemy, Big C Communism?

Or maybe his apparent lassitude IRT righteous patriotic fervor had
other grounds:

http://www.counterpunch.org/stclair07142005.html

Enjoy! --D-y

smokey said:

There are plenty of political newsgroups on Google.

Do I hear a snort from off stage ?

Howard Kveck said:

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Quoted message said:

http://thehill.com/

Quoted message said:

"In their book about Clinton's rise to power, Her Way, Don Van Natta
Jr., an investigative reporter at The New York Times, and Jeff Gerth,

Would that be the same Van Natta and Gerth that got everything on Whitewater
wrong, Tom?

So you're saying that they're wrong here? By all means tell me - are
they the glorious Friends of the People if they report against
Conservatives and Abject Liars if they report things deleterious about
Ultra Liberals? Every time you post you demonstrate what a joke you
are. Maybe you ought to go turn a bolt.

Howard Kveck said:

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Quoted message said:

Apparently you haven't any idea what the hell he said and are having
all sorts of fun repeating absolute lies about what he did say. I
don't listen much to Rush but I happened to be changing channels on
the car radio JUST as he said that and heard it from his very mouth.

Ah, what a happy coincidence, that.

Yes indeed since I'm seldom not working in the middle of the day when
he's on the radio.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So I KNOW that the Democrats are lying absolutely about this and
you're right there to help them along.

I guess the recordings of him saying it and the original transcript are fake? Huh,
funny thing that after the loudmouth got called on it, he tried to claim that those
bits of evidence were phony and proved it by chopping a minute and thirty-five
seconds out of the originals.

Cutting two words out of the middle of a paragraph and presenting them
as somehow being an insult to soldiers when he was in fact talking
about those who WEREN'T really soldiers or had claimed action when
they had never been there (NOTE: The "Winter Soldier" business with
John Kerry turned out that of all of the "witnesses" he was the ONLY
one who could truthfully claim to have been in Vietnam - the rest were
stateside liars or in many cases NEVER WERE IN THE SERVICE).

The real fun is when absolute asses such as you are willing to accept
gross lies because you'd prefer that others have said that.

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Quoted message said:

You can believe what you want. I happened to know one of the men who
was on that aborted "rescue" mission into Iran. He said that it was
designed to fail from the start.

Was that the guy who was riding the motorcycle that broke the record
even after the chain fell off, or the Nobel Prize winner from the dope
lab, among the thousands of important "guys" you know?

Hey, you don't want to believe it that's up to you. But then you're
one of those guys shaking in your boots that someone might identify
YOU. So I don't give a lot of credence to cowards. BTW - thanks for
reminding me of Ascot Park in Gardena. It must REALLY pain you to
think that I had something to do with such a long standing record
there. Until Kenny Roberts broke that record it had stood for 12
years.

Quoted message said:

The Rush [censored] is on transcript for any/all to read. USA Today,
that bastion of the Left, covered it. Even with their slant (attempted
gloss-over "correction"😉, Rush has a problem. He said "soldiers", not
"soldier", meaning not just the one (alleged) phony mentioned in the
story. That was a really lame attempt by USA today to wash, clean, and
('scuse me) press that one.

I don't read USA Today and it seems to me that when I have read it
when nothing else was available it had about the same attention to
detail as The National Enquirer so I find it interesting that you are
willing to use their claim of an added "s".

Well, I personally HEARD the discussion and you can lie about it all
you want and that doesn't change what he actually said.

Donald Munro said:

smokey said:

There are plenty of political newsgroups on Google.

Do I hear a snort from off stage ?

Probably your mother.

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The rules only apply to the little people!

Yet another example of how guvmint makes anything possible.

"I suppose if the solution to the problem of guvmint is more guvmint,
then the solution to the problem of cancer must be more cancer." -- --
BF, 1759

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Quoted message said:

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

http://thehill.com/

Quoted message said:

"In their book about Clinton's rise to power, Her Way, Don Van Natta
Jr., an investigative reporter at The New York Times, and Jeff Gerth,

Would that be the same Van Natta and Gerth that got everything on
Whitewater
wrong, Tom?

So you're saying that they're wrong here? By all means tell me - are
they the glorious Friends of the People if they report against
Conservatives and Abject Liars if they report things deleterious about
Ultra Liberals?

No, Tom, Gerth and Van Natta have a track record of bad reporting on the Clintons,
so it stands to reason to take what they say now with a grain of salt. Besides, why
aren't you getting as wrapped around the axle about the Bush admin.'s pressuring the
telecoms into turning over phone records without a warrant within *five weeks* of
assuming office? The fact that they want to push through an immunity clause in the
so-called update of FISA screams that they know what they were doing is illegal.

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Every time you post you demonstrate what a joke you
are. Maybe you ought to go turn a bolt.

Right, says the Klown Prince of the group. You spend a lot of time bloviating
about "manliness" but you aren't manly enough (or, apparently, smart enough) to know
when someone else actually does know what they're talking about. Just look at that
recent thread on the molding of Look cleats for a fine example.

--
tanx,
Howard

Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

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Quoted message said:

You can believe what you want. I happened to know one of the men who
was on that aborted "rescue" mission into Iran. He said that it was
designed to fail from the start.

Was that the guy who was riding the motorcycle that broke the record
even after the chain fell off, or the Nobel Prize winner from the dope
lab, among the thousands of important "guys" you know?

You forgot the Iranian prince...

--
tanx,
Howard

Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

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Quoted message said:

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Apparently you haven't any idea what the hell he said and are having
all sorts of fun repeating absolute lies about what he did say. I
don't listen much to Rush but I happened to be changing channels on
the car radio JUST as he said that and heard it from his very mouth.

Ah, what a happy coincidence, that.

Yes indeed since I'm seldom not working in the middle of the day when
he's on the radio.

Uh, Tom, the point was that you *just happened* to catch the controversial bit,
live and when it happened.

Quoted message said:

Cutting two words out of the middle of a paragraph and presenting them
as somehow being an insult to soldiers when he was in fact talking
about those who WEREN'T really soldiers or had claimed action when
they had never been there

"Cutting two words out of the middle of a paragraph" isn't what happened. The
cutting of paragraphs happened when Rushbo chopped up the transcript after the fact
to alter what he said to match his lies. about it. Are you trying to say that he
wasn't calling any soldier that thinks the war in Iraq isn't a Grand Success a "phony
soldier"? Because that's exactly what he was doing.

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The real fun is when absolute asses such as you are willing to accept
gross lies because you'd prefer that others have said that.

Gross lies like the original, uncut versions of the pill-popper's transcripts?
____________________
CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers.
They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.

LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.

CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve.
They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to
sacrifice for their country.
____________________

--
tanx,
Howard

Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

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Quoted post said:

Quoted message said:

You can believe what you want. I happened to know one of the men who
was on that aborted "rescue" mission into Iran. He said that it was
designed to fail from the start.

Was that the guy who was riding the motorcycle that broke the record
even after the chain fell off, or the Nobel Prize winner from the dope
lab, among the thousands of important "guys" you know?

Hey, you don't want to believe it that's up to you. But then you're
one of those guys shaking in your boots that someone might identify
YOU. So I don't give a lot of credence to cowards. BTW - thanks for
reminding me of Ascot Park in Gardena. It must REALLY pain you to
think that I had something to do with such a long standing record
there. Until Kenny Roberts broke that record it had stood for 12
years.

Interesting that you talk about this, yet never name a rider or date. You know,
Ascot Raceway Park was the hotbed of flat track racing in SoCal (and quite possibly
the entire nation). There were top name riders there on a weekly basis, so the
competition was stiff. Furthermore, if the primary chain broke (as you claim), it'd
be quite surprising that the bike wouldn't sieze up due to the chain getting tangled
up in the cases. As Ascot has short turns and long straights (and the start/finish
line is a bit *past* the center of the straight), it'd be Quite Amazing Indeed for a
bike without any drive to the rear wheel to be able to coast the last part of a lap
and still be quick enough to set a lap time that was faster than all other attempts
for twelve years, particularly in light of the factors noted at the beginning of this
graf.

Call me dubious.

--
tanx,
Howard

Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

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Hey, you don't want to believe it that's up to you.

Ironic, in that I'm one of those people who wants to believe.

Then I read your usual "I know this guy..." and I remind myself:
Forrest Gump was a movie. Only a movie...

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But then you're
one of those guys shaking in your boots that someone might identify
YOU.

I'm ID'd. You know that. Go pound your chest (or whatever) on your own
time, would you?

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So I don't give a lot of credence to cowards.

How about bullies?

Quoted message said:

BTW - thanks for
reminding me of Ascot Park in Gardena.

You never forget that for long.

Quoted message said:

It must REALLY pain you to
think that I had something to do with such a long standing record
there. Until Kenny Roberts broke that record it had stood for 12
years.

Oh no, I'm a fan of sorts. Went to the Springfield Mile a couple of
times. Hundred miles an hour for the first lap, standing start? Even
if slightly stretched, nothing but admiration for that show, here.

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Well, I personally HEARD the discussion and you can lie about it all
you want and that doesn't change what he actually said.

So post a sound clip already. --D-y