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  1. The doctors HERE are proof.

    If EDTA Chelation Therapy is so Good, Why Is It Not More
    Widely Accepted?

    James P. Carter, MD, DrPH

    Dr. Carter is Professor and Head, Nutrition Section, Tulane
    University School of Public Health and Tropical
    Medicine, New Orleans, Louisiana.

    Reprinted from the Journal of Advancement in Medicine,
    Volume 2, Numbers 1/2, Spring/Summer 1989, pages 213-226.

    ABSTRACT: A summary of medical politics, turf struggles
    between medical specialties, and the medical economics of
    EDTA chelation therapy is presented to answer the question,
    "If EDTA chelation therapy is so good, why is it not more
    widely accepted?"

    Most people, including physicians, are not aware of the
    medical politics, legal machinations and economic
    sanctions that covertly control the practice of medicine
    in the United States. A physician who introduces an
    innovative and nontraditional type of therapy often
    becomes the target of those forces. That is especially
    true if a new therapy, like EDTA chelation: 1) involves a
    major shift in the scientific paradigm; 2) if acceptance
    of the new therapy somehow implies that currently used
    medical practices are inappropriate; or 3) if the new
    therapy threatens the financial well being of a
    politically powerful and well established branch of the
    medical profession. Quite the opposite occurred with the
    immediate and widespread acceptance of bypass surgery and
    balloon angioplasty, which quickly brought wealth and fame
    to surgeons, cardiologists, large teams of health care
    professionals, and the hospital industry.

    When a radical new therapy like chelation is first
    introduced, physicians who do not utilize that therapy feel
    threatened, both professionally and financially. Their
    professional integrity is threatened by obsolescence of
    their scientific knowledge and they lose patients who seek
    out the new therapy. They forget that if their established
    treatments were really successful, and without major
    disadvantages, patients would not look to another type of
    treatment.

    As with EDTA chelation therapy, major pressures are brought
    to bear on the "deviant" physician to coerce him back into
    the accepted mold. He is ostracized by his peers; he comes
    under professional attack for "lack of ethics;" his medical
    and mental competence are questioned; he is accused of
    "exploiting" his patients for personal gain; and epithets of
    "quack" and "charlatan" are hurled his way. Ad hominum
    attacks are common, in the absence of more cogent and
    scientific criticisms.

    Well known historical examples of that phenomenon occurred
    with the introduction of the germ theory of disease. That
    simple concept took 50 years for complete acceptance by the
    medical profession.

    Lister was viciously attacked when he proposed that wound
    infections were not inevitable after surgery if aseptic
    techniques were used. Semmelweis was likewise dealt with
    when he urged doctors to wash their hands before delivering
    babies to prevent maternal deaths from puerperal sepsis.
    Lister's recommendations were not accepted by mainstream
    medicine for many decades, and Semmelwels was persecuted to
    his death by medical colleagues, who were incensed by the
    notion that they themselves transmitted disease from patient
    to patient on their unwashed hands. Has human nature changed
    since that time?

    The history of medicine is replete with examples of medical
    "heretics" who were eventually credited with major advances.
    They were often not recognized for their achievements until
    after death. Paracelsus, for example, is exalted as one of
    the great pioneers in medicine, but he was the original
    "quack" in his own time. Paracelsus introduced the use of
    mercury to treat syphilis. There was no other cure for
    syphilis at the time, although, as with many treatments
    today, the lethal dose of mercury was close to the
    therapeutic dose. Paracelsus was viciously attacked by his
    medical peers and derisively called a "quack" (short for
    "quacksalber," the old German word for mercury).

    Inertia in science and medicine is a powerful force and is
    reinforced by major economic and legal forces in the United
    States. Many industries and special interest groups that are
    politically and economically powerful would be hurt
    financially if chelation therapy were to become more widely
    accepted. Those same industries have a major influence in
    our society at all levels. Grants for university and medical
    school research often stem from those same sources. They
    spend heavily to lobby for laws, regulations and government
    funded medical research to favor their own interests and to
    suppress competition. It is difficult to obtain NIH research
    funds in the face of opposition from powerful lobbies that
    occur when that research goes against those special
    interests.

    Those same special interests have a major influence on lay
    and professional exposure through the news media.
    Advertising revenues are essential to the survival of
    medical journals, newspapers, magazines, television and
    radio. Even with freedom of the press, the media cannot
    survive without advertising revenues. There often exists an
    understandable reluctance to bite the hand that feeds them.
    It is difficult to educate the public and the medical
    profession about new developments without media cooperation.
    Medical schools also cannot afford to offend their corporate
    sources of research funds.

    The welfare of the American public is often pushed aside by
    the industrial quest for profits and pressures to suppress
    competition. Every industry wants a monopoly, if that can
    be achieved. Mainstream medicine has come very close to
    that goal.

    Scientific arrogance is commonplace. Physicians consider
    themselves to be experts in their own field. If a majority
    of physicians do not endorse a new therapy, they
    collectively rely on public recognition of their own
    "expertise" to discount a new concept that they themselves
    have not yet embraced. They forget that all great advances
    in medicine began with a small minority. Their thinking
    tends to follow along these lines: "If I'm the expert and I
    don't use this new therapy and if my many colleagues and
    peers are experts and they don't believe in the new therapy,
    then we must be right and that small group of physicians who
    believe differently must be wrong. We're the experts."

    The most frequent criticism leveled by critics of non-
    traditional and alternative medical therapies is that new
    treatments are "unproven" because randomized, double-blind,
    controlled studies have not yet been done to prove
    effectiveness. Those criticisms ignore the fact that most
    medical procedures routinely performed in the practice of
    medicine are also unproven using those same criteria.

    The Office of Technology Assessment, a branch of the United
    States Congress, with the help of an advisory board of
    eminent university faculty, has published a report with the
    conclusion that, " . . . only 10 to 20 percent of all
    procedures currently used in medical practice have been
    shown to be efficacious by controlled trial." Therefore, 80%
    to 90% of medical procedures routinely performed are
    unproven.1 That report further points out that the research
    which purports to prove effectiveness of the remaining 10%
    to 20% of medical procedures is largely flawed, and " . .
    many of the other procedures may not be efficacious." The
    most frequent reason for not accepting the value of EDTA
    chelation therapy reflects a flagrant double standard.

    A complete program of chelation therapy involves dietary
    changes, away from highly refined and processed foods. The
    use of nonprescription nutritional supplements is emphasized
    more than expensive and highly profitable drugs manufactured
    by the pharmaceutical industry. Chelation therapy is
    performed in doctors' offices, without the need for
    hospitals, surgeons, cardiologists and the large team of
    health professionals who profit greatly in dollars and
    reputation from the $6 billion per year bypass surgery and
    balloon angioplasty industry.

    For obvious reasons, double-blind studies have never been
    done to prove or disprove clinical benefits from bypass
    surgery or balloon angioplasty. The effectiveness of EDTA
    chelation therapy has been clinically proven to the same
    extent as bypass surgery and angioplasty, or more so, as
    established by the clinical data published in this book.

    Recent reports conclude that from 44% to 85% of coronary
    artery bypass surgery is routinely performed on patients who
    do not meet the criteria for benefit, even using standards
    derived from non-blinded studies.2-9 The media consistently
    makes light of such flagrant abuses of surgery, while widely
    publicizing any hint of "quackery" associated with
    chelation. The American Medical Association, in its official
    journal (JAMA), admits that 44% of all coronary artery
    bypass surgery is done for inappropriate reasons.9

    When a therapy is widely accepted by the medical profession,
    no scientific proof of effectiveness is required, and
    anecdotal evidence is accepted as valid. If an alternative
    therapy is contested by those physicians, however, they
    attack by demanding that the therapy in question be
    subjected to very expensive and time-consuming double-blind,
    placebo controlled trials. Medicare regulations also exclude
    the need for scientific proof for treatments that are
    utilized by a majority of physicians. The federal government
    thereby adds support to this double standard.

    In the case of EDTA, those demands ignore the fact that it
    would normally cost millions of dollars for double-blind
    studies to prove effectiveness, and public funding for
    medical research cannot be obtained without political
    support. Without patent protection, pharmaceutical
    manufacturers will likewise not fund that research. The cost
    and time required for research of that scope is also beyond
    the resources of the clinicians in private practice who
    utilize chelation therapy. EDTA chelation therapy has
    therefore been an "orphan" without a source of financial
    support for research.

    Despite those drawbacks, even in the face of a severe and
    unjust double standard imposed by opponents, research money
    has been successfully obtained from private foundations and
    from patients and physicians who believe in this treatment.
    Patients have been accepted into double-blind studies,
    beginning in mid-1988 [not completed for political reasons].

    Deprived of reimbursement by medical insurance, patients
    have thus far paid for EDTA chelation therapy entirely from
    their own pockets. If Medicare refuses to pay for a therapy,
    most other insurance companies follow suit. It costs far
    more to fight those unjust policies in court than to pay for
    the treatment.

    Historical examples of similar campaigns to control the
    practice of medicine, in favor of organized medicine and
    other special interests, against the public interest, are
    easy to find. As many innovative physicians have discovered,
    one of the quickest ways to become the target of opposing
    forces is to utilize nutritional or other nontoxic and
    noninvasive treatments for cancer.

    On August 3, 1953, Charles W. Tobey Jr., son of the late
    Senator Charles Tobey, Chairman of the Senate Interstate and
    Foreign Commerce Committee, entered into the Congressional
    Record a report of an investigation by Benedict F.
    Fitzgerald Jr., Special Counsel to the Committee on
    Interstate and Foreign Commerce. Fitzgerald's investigation
    was directed at an alleged conspiracy to suppress what, in
    the 1950s, would have been considered alternative methods of
    treating cancer. His findings could equally have been
    applied to other innovative and nontraditional methods of
    treating any disease.

    Fitzgerald criticized those who supported the party line of
    the American Medical Association (AMA), and who applied
    themselves to efforts to hinder, suppress, and restrict the
    free use of new therapies. Those therapies included
    medicines that were supported by evidence of success from
    clinical records, case histories, pathological reports, and
    x-ray and other photographic proof, together with living
    testimony of former cancer victims. Fitzgerald concluded
    that a conspiracy existed, and that public and private funds
    had been "thrown round like confetti at a country fair" to
    shut down clinics, hospitals and research laboratories which
    did not conform to the AMA's viewpoint.

    Investigation tactics used against emerging and
    nontraditional medical therapies show a consistent pattern
    of: 1) arrogance; 2) a sense of mission and of knowing what
    is best and right for other people; 3) depriving citizens of
    their constitutionally protected rights to freedom of
    choice; and, 4) acceptance of the concept that the end
    justifies the means. Opponents of nontraditional therapies
    have viewed as legitimate activities: disinformation, smear
    campaigns, harassment, instituting IRS tax audits,
    encouraging patients to sue physicians, entrapment, illegal
    wiretaps, and possibly even break-ins. These tactics have
    been used against physicians for nothing more serious than
    administering intravenous EDTA chelation therapy.

    When evidence, real or fabricated, is uncovered which is
    unfavorable to the targeted physician, a representative of
    the opposition will contact the state board of medical
    examiners, asking for an official investigation and
    prosecution. Pressures are brought on the physician to cease
    and desist his aberrant practices or lose his license to
    practice medicine.

    Investigations and proceedings of licensing boards are often
    confidential and not available, even to the physician under
    investigation. By definition, it is difficult for an
    outsider to learn all of the specifics of such covert
    tactics, although a good approximation of how these things
    work has gradually emerged over the years.

    The power structure of organized medicine may be visualized
    as a pyramid, with the sides composed of different physician
    specialty associations, each with its own special interests
    to protect. The result may be collectively called "organized
    medicine." The apex of the pyramid represents the governing
    boards and officers of those groups, while the base
    represents the broad general membership. Local and state
    chapters centralize the power and influence from the base
    upward to the national level. This pyramidal structure in
    medical politics forms the basis for a conspiracy that
    operates in coalition with other groups to benefit the
    individuals who compose the core of the pyramid. Although
    the composite organizations draw authority to sanction their
    collective actions from individual members, those members
    are often unaware of the larger structure within which power
    brokers and medical politicians operate.

    By representing almost every practicing physician and
    specialty group in the country, this coalition has enormous
    influence in the affairs of our nation. That is especially
    true when an alliance is formed between organized medicine,
    the pharmaceutical industry and food processing
    corporations. The food industry profits greatly from sales
    of margarine, unsaturated fats, fake eggs, and other refined
    and fractionated foods with the endorsement of physicians.

    The AMA and other segments of organized medicine are second
    only to the National Rifle Association in political campaign
    contributions to senators and congressmen at the national
    level. They give more than any other special interest groups
    in the country. Through political influence, bought and paid
    for, the policies of public institutions and federal and
    state agencies can be influenced by this group, including
    medical schools and universities, HHS, PHS, FDA, FTC, NIH,
    state medical licensing boards, etc. When a physician is
    selected for censure by organized medicine, the FDA, FBI,
    IRS, postal inspectors, district attorneys, Antifraud
    Division of Medicare and other agencies with quasi-police
    powers are quick to join the fray. This has occurred to
    physicians who have had the courage to offer EDTA chelation
    therapy to their patients.

    An average of approximately 60% of all state medical
    licensing boards' time is spent confronting, rehabilitating
    or defrocking physicians who are impaired or otherwise
    incompetent. Most of those are chemically dependent on
    alcohol and drugs. Increasingly, addicted physicians are
    being successfully rehabilitated, with the help of medical
    societies and recovered physicians. That function is truly
    in the best interests of both the medical profession and
    the consumer.

    The remaining 40% of state medical licensing boards' time
    is, on the average, spent "witch-hunting," in the manner
    described above, in an effort to control the practice of
    medicine. The result is to force conformance with majority
    practices and to protect the medical profession against
    financial competition from "maverick" physicians who are
    bold enough to espouse innovative practices ahead of their
    peers. Restraint of trade and government support of a
    medical monopoly is the bottom line.

    All too often, academic physicians on medical school
    faculties and research scientists allow themselves to be
    influenced by propaganda and disinformation, instead of
    obtaining the true facts and relying on their own analytical
    abilities and scientific methodology to determine the truth.
    The overwhelming majority of physicians in clinical practice
    appear to be totally unaware that a conspiracy exists and
    that covert activities are routinely taking place to protect
    their monopoly and to prevent competition.

    The AMA Coordinating Conference on Health Information (CCHI)
    was formed in 1964, as an offshoot of the AMA's Committee on
    Quackery.10 All responsible citizens, by definition, must be
    opposed to quackery. The main difference between the AMA
    Committee on Quackery and the newly formed CCHI was that the
    CCHI was a totally secret and covert organization which
    functioned in coalition in a network with other, similar
    groups. The CCHI operates in partnership with the National
    Council on Health Fraud with regional chapters in many
    states. The director of each regional chapter must swear to
    an oath of secrecy. National and regional chapters of the
    Council on Health Fraud stay in communication with
    individual members of each state's board of medical
    licensing examiners. The CCHI operates through this
    secretive network, without access from public scrutiny.
    There are no checks and balances.

    Both the CCHI and the National Council on Health Fraud
    purport to be scientific and authoritative sources of
    information. A significant portion of their activities,
    however, have nothing to do with real quackery, but are
    rather a means to coerce practitioners of medicine to adhere
    to practices approved by medical politicians. The end result
    is to preserve certain monopolistic and economic advantages
    enjoyed by organized medicine.

    An important reason that research into the use of EDTA in
    the treatment of atherosclerosis and its complications
    stopped after 1960, until the mid 1980s, was because of an
    active and vicious campaign of misinformation and unjust
    harassment of physicians who used EDTA in their practices.
    Scientific researchers who showed an interest were also
    discouraged and harassed.

    Practicing physicians who used EDTA have been summoned to
    appear before state boards of medical examiners to answer
    complaints. Charges were often contrived and rarely
    documented by careful investigation. The Federation of State
    Boards of Medical Examiners is associated with the CCHI
    network. State boards of medical examiners are legally
    constituted bodies that have ultimate authority to revoke a
    physician's license to practice medicine. Medical licensing
    boards in at least six states have attempted to mandate a
    blanket prohibition against chelation therapy within their
    states. Fortunately, the courts have been quick to nullify
    most such arbitrary rulings.

    EDTA is already on the market as a legitimate pharmaceutical
    agent to treat lead toxicity, digitalis toxicity and acute
    hypercalcemia. EDTA is legally available for physician use,
    and it is quite legal for any licensed physician to utilize
    a drug for any purpose which, in that physician's judgment
    is best for his patient. The only restriction is that
    pharmaceutical companies that manufacture EDTA cannot make
    advertising and marketing claims of effectiveness in the
    treatment of atherosclerosis, in the absence of FDA approval
    for that indication.

    The patent on EDTA expired many years ago. It is now a
    generic drug. Any drug company can manufacture and sell
    EDTA. There is no longer any patent protection to allow
    recovery of research, development and licensing costs. It
    customarily costs a drug company millions of dollars for
    research and paperwork to satisfy FDA requirements for the
    addition of a new therapeutic claim to the package insert of
    an established drug such as EDTA. No company will spend the
    money without the ability to recover those costs in the
    marketplace. This lack of FDA approval for atherosclerosis
    is commonly used against physicians by opponents of
    chelation, although it has always been a fully accepted and
    common practice for doctors to use medicines for diseases
    not yet approved by the FDA. This is another blatant example
    of double standard.

    A communication from Dr. John Parks Trowbridge, a physician
    using chelation therapy in Texas, dated August 1986,
    illustrates very succinctly the difficulties physicians have
    encountered when they offer chelation therapy to their
    patients. The following illustrates how the system of
    repression often works:

    In the last 90 days, at least 3 chelating physicians have
    been hauled before the board—1 lost license, 2 threatened.
    We've been put 'on notice,' through one who was threatened,
    that they were going to 'get' each of us, one by one.

    Such legal harassment can bankrupt a doctor in order to pay
    the legal fees to defend himself against ongoing attacks by
    legally constituted agencies. Due process is a
    constitutional right but can be very expensive. The state
    pays its attorneys and legal costs with public funds. An
    unjustly accused physician must defend himself at his own
    expense. That is the basis for a tactic used by state
    licensing boards to keep up the pressure until a targeted
    doctor can no longer afford to pay for his defense. At that
    point, more than one highly competent and ethical physician
    has submitted to injustice and agreed to stop using EDTA
    chelation therapy in his practice, accepting probation and
    censure, just to end the mounting legal expenses and other
    stresses of harassment.

    The original motivation to discredit EDTA as a treatment for
    atherosclerosis may have stemmed from ignorance of its
    benefit and arrogance in the belief that EDTA was dangerous
    treatment and that it did not work. The motivation may have
    once been to weed out fraud and quackery. With the
    development of enormously profitable coronary artery bypass
    surgery and angioplasty, however, not to mention peripheral
    and carotid artery surgery, it is obvious that many
    influential groups in organized medicine and the hospital
    industry would suffer greatly if EDTA chelation therapy,
    administered in physicians' offices at approximately 10% of
    the cost, became widely accepted. That now seems to be the
    most significant reason for ongoing attempts to suppress the
    practice and clinical investigation of EDTA chelation
    therapy. What other explanation could there be in the face
    of the large body of clinical and scientific data in support
    of EDTA chelation therapy?

    In recent years, mainstream medical journals have refused to
    publish the results of research of EDTA chelation therapy
    for atherosclerosis, while at the same time publishing many
    frivolous letters to the editor and editorial comments
    criticizing chelation therapy. This ongoing editorial bias
    and censorship have largely prevented ready access by
    interested clinicians and, researchers to favorable clinical
    data. Most literature searches begin and end with the Index
    Medicus or its electronic counterpart, the MEDLINE computer
    database. Recent studies of chelation therapy have been
    published in less widely circulated journals, many of which
    are not included in the Index Medicus.

    Most physicians and medical students are not aware that only
    10% of the world's total biomedical literature can be found
    in those databases.11 If a physician becomes interested
    enough to do a computer search of EDTA chelation therapy for
    treatment of atherosclerosis, he will find a plethora of
    negative editorial comment and propaganda, but no negative
    data to support that criticism. Most clinical data to
    support the effectiveness of EDTA in treatment of
    atherosclerosis has appeared in journals that are not listed
    in easily accessible references. [The most pertinent of that
    data is summarized on this website.]

    The first randomized, double-blind, controlled study of EDTA
    chelation therapy for treatment of atherosclerosis was
    conducted by Professor Doctor Schettler, et al, in the
    clinics of the University Hospital in Heidelberg, West
    Germany, while Dr. Schettler was Chairman of the Department
    of Internal Medicine and President of the International
    Atherosclerosis Research Association. That study was funded
    by Thiemann Pharmaceutical Company, manufacturers of the
    platelet inhibitor, bencyclan, marketed as Fludilat®.
    Fludilat® is widely prescribed in Europe to treat
    atherosclerosis. EDTA chelation therapy was compared with
    bencyclan.

    It is unknown why a pharmaceutical company would fund a
    study of a generic drug for which the patent had expired. It
    is possible that Thiemann believed AMA propaganda stating
    that EDTA was ineffective. Why else would Thiemann put EDTA
    up against their own Fludilatl®?

    Thiemann did take precautions, however. When the grant was
    awarded, Thiemann reserved the right, in its written
    contract with Schettler, to edit any published reports of
    the study. Thiemann reserved the right to interpret the
    final data for publication and to do the statistical
    analysis themselves. All recorded data from the study were
    to be the property of Thiemann. It was agreed that all data
    would be given to Thiemann at the end of the study. Such a
    contract seems to eliminate the possibility of an unbiased
    report, and it eliminates free access to the original data
    by other investigators.

    A total of approximately 48 patients were treated, 24 in the
    Fludilat® group and 24 in the EDTA group. Disodium EDTA was
    administered in a dose of 2.5 gms in 500 ml 1/2N Saline.
    Treatments were given five days each week for a total of
    four weeks. Each patient received 20 infusions. Only
    patients with peripheral vascular disease who could not walk
    200 meters without pain of claudication were included in the
    study. Pain-free walking distance was measured before,
    during and after therapy on a treadmill, at 3.5 km/hr with a
    10% uphill gradient.

    The measured results showed a 250% increase in distance
    walked before onset of claudication pain in the EDTA-treated
    group after four weeks of therapy. By comparison, there was
    only a 60% increase in the bencyclan group. Bencyclan,
    however, is a drug proven to be of benefit in this disease
    and is widely prescribed in Europe for that indication.

    There were four patients in the EDTA group who experienced
    more than a 1,000-meter increase in their pain-free walking
    distance at the end of only 30 days treatment. Highly
    favorable data from those four patients mysteriously
    disappeared when the final results were made public.
    Thiemann, of course, had a legal right under terms of their
    contract to edit the final results and to interpret the data
    in any way that suited them. Their final report contained
    data that reduced observed benefit from EDTA by 72%, from
    250% increase to only 70%. The fact that data from the best
    EDTA responders were altered would not have been known if
    scientists from Heidelberg with intimate knowledge of the
    study had not been shocked by what they considered unethical
    and dishonest scientific conduct. Raw data from the study
    were personally delivered to an official of ACAM for an
    independent interpretation.

    The fact that a highly placed representative of American
    organized medicine went to Heidelberg and met with Dr.
    Schettler while the study was in progress may or may not be
    significant.

    The study was reported at the Seventh Atherosclerosis
    Congress in Melbourne, Australia, 1985. An attachment to the
    abstract of that presentation, available at the meeting,
    contained a graphic plot of pain-free walking distance
    extending out to three months after the end of therapy. By
    that time, even using the modified data made public, the
    increase in pain-free walking distance in the EDTA-treated
    patients had increased to 430% of the baseline, while bencyclan-
    treated patients averaged less than half that much with no
    significant improvement after therapy was stopped at 30
    days. Nothing in the text of the abstract described that
    graphically depicted observation, despite its great clinical
    significance in proving the effectiveness of EDTA chelation
    therapy. The report analyzed data only to the end of 30
    days, when the bencyclan and EDTA groups had responded
    equally. It is well known that full benefit from EDTA is
    often delayed for up to three months after therapy.

    When deleted data from the EDTA subjects with maximum relief
    of symptoms is considered, average walking distance
    increased by more than 400% three months following EDTA
    chelation therapy.

    The data reported in Australia show only a 70% average
    increase in pain-free walking distance in the EDTA-treated
    group (instead of the 250% increase at 30 days indicated by
    the raw data) and was compared with a 76% average increase
    in the group treated with bencyclan. Even that amount of
    improvement is significant. It is rare for placebo effect
    alone to exceed 33%.

    The only patient death was in the bencyclan group. No
    serious side effects were observed from ED

  2. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Why Chelation is not accepted
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 5/15/2004 5:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    James P. Carter, MD, DrPH

    again Janster succumbs to reposting junk she already has...

    at which time she was told that this article ...dated 15
    years ago...is pretty OLD..

    sad that

    hawki.....

  3. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The doctors HERE are proof.

    If EDTA Chelation Therapy is so Good, Why Is It Not More
    Widely Accepted?

    Simple, there is no proof that it is so good.

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Hawki63) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Why Chelation is not accepted From:
    [email hidden] (Jan) Date: 5/15/2004 5:28 PM Pacific
    Daylight Time Message-id: <20040515202815.09012.00000579@mb-
    m17.aol.com>

    Quoted message said:

    James P. Carter, MD, DrPH

    again Janster succumbs to reposting junk she already
    has...

    at which time she was told that this article ...dated 15
    years ago...is pretty OLD..

    sad that

    Pretty old, and full of references to old studies that
    either have not been replicated, that were poorly designed,
    or that never panned out when attempted with larger numbers.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
    |you inconvenience me with questions?"

  5. "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 16, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040515202815.09012.00000579@mb-
    m17.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:

    The doctors HERE are proof.

    If EDTA Chelation Therapy is so Good, Why Is It Not More
    Widely


    Accepted?

    Quoted message said:


    Simple, there is no proof that it is so good.


    Is that anything like there is no proof that Mark is not
    genetically defective?

  6. No double-blinded, random sampled, peer reviewed, studies
    have passed the test so far showing the Marked Pervert is
    not insane or genetically defective. EnvironMENTAL and
    heretical studies were not done.

    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 16, 2004" <M.a.r.k
    P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040515202815.09012.00000579@mb-
    m17.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:

    The doctors HERE are proof.

    If EDTA Chelation Therapy is so Good, Why Is It Not
    More Widely


    Accepted?

    Quoted message said:


    Simple, there is no proof that it is so good.


    Is that anything like there is no proof that Mark is not
    genetically defective?

  7. In article said:


    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 16, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040515202815.09012.00000579@mb-
    m17.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:

    The doctors HERE are proof.

    If EDTA Chelation Therapy is so Good, Why Is It Not
    More Widely


    Accepted?

    Quoted message said:


    Simple, there is no proof that it is so good.


    Is that anything like there is no proof that Mark is not
    genetically defective?

    No, because there are numerous studies that show that
    chelation is no better than placebo.

    There is no proof that you are anything other than a pee-
    drinking, puerile troll, however.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
    opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
    have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
    standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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