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  1. Original post
    Peter Moran
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    #1

    A previous post of mine does not seem to have reached the NG.
    .
    Cancericidal platinum compounds are released into the culture medium. This
    is how Cisplatin was discovered. Will not work in vivo.
    chemcases.comcisplat02.htm

    Peter Moran

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  2. Jan
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    #2
    Quoted message said:

    From: "Peter Moran"

    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid

    Because organized medicine and Peter Moran say so.

    But doctors who committ repeated and deliberate fraud
    and cover-ups remain on staff, and Peter can't see
    anything wrong.

    Like Peter Bowditch has NO medical qualifications and is a
    keynote speaker, while squawking about REAL qualifications.

    KERPLONK

    Jan

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  3. Rich.
    Archived post
    #3
    (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "Peter Moran"

    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid

    Quoted message said:


    Because organized medicine and Peter Moran say so.

    But doctors who committ repeated and deliberate fraud
    and cover-ups remain on staff, and Peter can't see
    anything wrong.

    Like Peter Bowditch has NO medical qualifications and is a
    keynote speaker, while squawking about REAL qualifications.

    KERPLONK

    Hmm. Jan seems to have snipped Peter's reply to change the
    meaning of his post. Here it is restored:

    . Cancericidal platinum compounds are released into the
    culture medium. This is how Cisplatin was discovered. Will
    not work in vivo. chemcases.comcisplat02.htm

    Peter Moran

    Once again Jan Drew demonstrates selective snipping and
    shows why it is impossible to discuss anything with her. Jan
    lies about selective snipping to change meaning, lies about
    it always being wrong to belittle and lies about not lying.
    That's a wrap.

    Aloha,

    Rich

    Quoted message said:


    Jan

    -------------------------------------------------
    -------------------------------------------------

    The best defense to logic is ignorance

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  4. Kim
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    #4

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "Peter Moran"

    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid

    Because organized medicine and Peter Moran say so.


    =======================================
    Is there any proof he's wrong? That is does work in vivo?
    Why not provide us the proof that he's wrong instead of
    personally attacking him? Do you know of any research to
    prove he's wrong?

    Kim

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  5. Peter Moran
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    #5

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "Peter Moran"

    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid

    Because organized medicine and Peter Moran say so.

    Leave us out of this. It is a group of chemists who made the
    prior discovery that Lai incompetently overlooks, that
    platinum compounds from the electrodes would produce
    cancericidal effects in this in vitro system. Look at the
    web site I gave.

    Electrical engineers explain why the Syncrometer won't do
    what Hulda Clark claims.

    Non-medical parasitologists will explain why her parasite
    theories are wrong.

    There is utterly no evidence that removing dental
    fillings will help anyone cure cancer (that one is mine
    and I stick by it).

    Peter Moran

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  6. Happy Oyster
    Archived post
    #6
    (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "Peter Moran"

    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid

    Because organized medicine and Peter Moran say so.

    But doctors who committ repeated and deliberate fraud
    and cover-ups remain on staff, and Peter can't see
    anything wrong.

    Like Peter Bowditch has NO medical qualifications and is a
    keynote speaker, while squawking about REAL qualifications.

    KERPLONK

    Jan

    One of the thousands of cases where Jan Drew refuses to
    accept the truth.

    Jan Drew insits on advertizing for the criminal Hulda Clark.

    Jan Drew is a notorious liar and forger. To fall for his
    lies can be a serious threat to your life and the life of
    your children.

    More about the naturopath mafia advertizing agency Jan Drew
    :

    geocities.comQuackery.html

    Regards,

    Aribert Deckers
    --
    Reklame mit wahrheitswidrigen Behauptungen

    ariplex.comama wies.htm

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  7. Mark Probert-Ma
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    #7

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "Peter Moran"

    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid

    Because organized medicine and Peter Moran say so.

    Peter provided a good analysis of why the study is
    invalid.You just cannot handle disagreeing points of view
    and facts that refute your beliefs.

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  8. Anth
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    #8

    Is there any evidence that cisplatin is effective against
    bacteria or virus? Anth

    "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:405137c7$0$32763$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
    01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...

    Quoted message said:

    A previous post of mine does not seem to have reached the
    NG. . Cancericidal platinum compounds are released into
    the culture medium.


    This

    Quoted message said:

    is how Cisplatin was discovered. Will not work in vivo.
    chemcases.comcisplat02.htm

    Peter Moran

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  9. Anth
    Archived post
    #9

    Hulda's zapper doesn't have platinum electrodes, so this
    study is irrelevant. If she posts this as evidence, then she
    should show evidence that cisplatin does not effect
    bacteria, or indeed some evidence that cisplatin has anti
    baterial/anti viral effects. Anth

    "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:40517788$0$26964$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
    02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...

    Quoted message said:


    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040312010231.01740.00001359@mb-
    m22.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "Peter Moran"

    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid

    Because organized medicine and Peter Moran say so.

    Leave us out of this. It is a group of chemists who made
    the prior discovery that Lai incompetently overlooks, that
    platinum compounds from the electrodes would produce
    cancericidal effects in this in vitro system. Look at the
    web site I gave.

    Electrical engineers explain why the Syncrometer won't do
    what Hulda Clark claims.

    Non-medical parasitologists will explain why her parasite
    theories are wrong.

    There is utterly no evidence that removing dental fillings
    will help


    anyone

    Quoted message said:

    cure cancer (that one is mine and I stick by it).

    Peter Moran

    Report
  10. Anth
    Archived post
    #10

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid From:
    "Peter Moran" [email hidden] Date: 3/12/2004 12:40 AM
    Pacific Standard Time Message-id:

    <40517788$0$26964$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
    02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.


    au>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040312010231.01740.00001359@mb-
    m22.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:

    >From: "Peter Moran"

    >Subject: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid

    Because organized medicine and Peter Moran say so.

    Leave us out of this.

    Impossible.

    I went to a lecture the other day on paranormal studies. The
    guy claimed in his data he could not show any evidence that
    paranormal effects were there and he dismissed the work of
    another scientist who had shown paranormal effects in his
    work. Randi does this in his studies, which in my opinion
    doesn't make him much of a scientist.

    Both studies were equally valid and significant, now today I
    find out that there's an effect called the 'experimenter
    effect' which is documented in this months new scientist.
    Could this be what is making homeopathy work in some studies
    and fail in others? On one side there was the sceptic and on
    the other the believer who did the studies. This could also
    have an impact on conflicting drug studies which show
    effects from believers and non believers.

    Quoted message said:

    It is a group of chemists who made the prior

    Quoted message said:

    discovery that Lai incompetently overlooks, that platinum
    compounds from the electrodes would produce cancericidal
    effects in this in vitro


    system.

    So why not use gold electrodes or other metals, or even
    carbon electrodes?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Look at the web site I gave.

    Electrical engineers explain why the Syncrometer won't do
    what Hulda


    Clark

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    claims.

    Non-medical parasitologists will explain why her parasite
    theories are wrong.

    There is utterly no evidence that removing dental
    fillings will help


    anyone

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cure cancer (that one is mine and I stick by it).

    There's anecdotes about dentists who have done treatments on
    people, removing their amalgams and the people going into
    remission. Of course this doesn't mean much, it only opens
    the door to more studies.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Peter Moran

    All of these opinions come from organized medicine.

    Although I do believe there's a war of disinformation going
    on towards natural treatments and that mainstream is
    puppetted a lot by the pharms, I also think it's invalid to
    not accept something using an assumption as science. If
    anyone can show for sure that it is the platinum that's
    having the anti cancer effect I'll be happy.

    Quoted message said:

    I have never spoken about amalgams and cancer, hower the
    improvemnets


    after

    Quoted message said:

    removal of amalgams are well documented. Which you chose
    to deny.

    WHEN CORRECT PROTOCOL IS FOLLOWED!

    home.earthlink.netindex.html

    I. DENTAL AMALGAM FILLINGS PAGE- documents high common
    mercury exposure


    levels

    Quoted message said:

    from dental amalgam fillings; and common adverse health
    effects on people


    and

    Quoted message said:

    dental staff; plus results of 60,000 clinical cases of
    significant


    improvements

    Quoted message said:

    to chronic conditions after amalgam replacement and treatment-
    as followed


    and

    Quoted message said:

    documented by doctors; plus environmental effects of
    amalgam that affect everyone. (over 1500 peer-reviewed
    medical study or Gov't Agency references


    documenting

    Quoted message said:

    mechanisms by which mercury from amalgam causes over 30
    chronic health conditions)

    lichtenberg.dkexperience after amalgam rem
    oval.htm

    lichtenberg.dksymptoms before and after pr
    oper.htm

    rmdentalcentre.comarticle.cfm

    positivehealth.comb
    urrow45.htm

    notdoctors.commercfill.html

    geocities.combernieref1.html

    216.239.53.100search
    lc08J:www.melisa.org/articles/


    engel-
    e.pdf+people+finding+improvements+from+removal+of+amalgams&-
    hl=en&ie=UT F-8

    Quoted message said:


    web-light.nlframe r.html

    positivehealth.comcra
    wford76.htm

    cqs.comamalgam.htm

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  11. Gymmy Bob
    Archived post
    #11

    Any electric shock to the human body causes the elevation
    of white blood cells and endorphins. These are powerful
    pain killers.

    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040312165833.06571.00001353@mb-
    m05.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid From:
    "Peter Moran" [email hidden] Date: 3/12/2004 12:40
    AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:


    <40517788$0$26964$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
    02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.
    au>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040312010231.01740.00001359@mb-
    m22.aol.com...
    > >From: "Peter Moran"
    >
    > >Subject: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid
    >
    > Because organized medicine and Peter Moran say so.

    Leave us out of this.

    Impossible.

    I went to a lecture the other day on paranormal studies.
    The guy claimed in his data he could not show any evidence
    that paranormal effects were there and he dismissed the
    work of another scientist who had shown paranormal effects
    in his work. Randi does this in his studies, which in my
    opinion doesn't make him much


    of

    Quoted message said:

    a scientist.

    Both studies were equally valid and significant, now today
    I find out that there's an effect called the 'experimenter
    effect' which is documented in this months new scientist.
    Could this be what is making homeopathy work in some
    studies and fail in others? On one side there was the
    sceptic and on the other the believer


    who

    Quoted message said:

    did the studies. This could also have an impact on
    conflicting drug studies which show effects from believers
    and non believers.

    Quoted message said:

    It is a group of chemists who made the prior

    Quoted message said:

    discovery that Lai incompetently overlooks, that
    platinum compounds


    from

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the electrodes would produce cancericidal effects in
    this in vitro


    system.

    So why not use gold electrodes or other metals, or even
    carbon electrodes?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Look at the web site I gave.

    Electrical engineers explain why the Syncrometer won't
    do what Hulda


    Clark

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    claims.

    Non-medical parasitologists will explain why her
    parasite theories are wrong.

    There is utterly no evidence that removing dental
    fillings will help


    anyone

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cure cancer (that one is mine and I stick by it).

    There's anecdotes about dentists who have done treatments
    on people, removing their amalgams and the people going
    into remission. Of course this doesn't mean much, it only
    opens the door to more studies.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Peter Moran

    All of these opinions come from organized medicine.

    Although I do believe there's a war of disinformation
    going on towards natural treatments and that mainstream is
    puppetted a lot by the pharms, I also think it's invalid
    to not accept something using an assumption as science. If
    anyone can show for sure that it is the platinum that's
    having the anti cancer effect I'll be happy.

    Quoted message said:

    I have never spoken about amalgams and cancer, hower the
    improvemnets


    after

    Quoted message said:

    removal of amalgams are well documented. Which you chose
    to deny.

    WHEN CORRECT PROTOCOL IS FOLLOWED!

    home.earthlink.netindex.html

    I. DENTAL AMALGAM FILLINGS PAGE- documents high common
    mercury exposure


    levels

    Quoted message said:

    from dental amalgam fillings; and common adverse health
    effects on


    people

    Quoted message said:

    and

    Quoted message said:

    dental staff; plus results of 60,000 clinical cases of
    significant


    improvements

    Quoted message said:

    to chronic conditions after amalgam replacement and
    treatment- as


    followed

    Quoted message said:

    and

    Quoted message said:

    documented by doctors; plus environmental effects of
    amalgam that affect everyone. (over 1500 peer-reviewed
    medical study or Gov't Agency references


    documenting

    Quoted message said:

    mechanisms by which mercury from amalgam causes over 30
    chronic health conditions)

    lichtenberg.dkexperience after amalgam remo
    val.htm

    lichtenberg.dksymptoms before and after pro
    per.htm

    rmdentalcentre.comarticle.cfm
    atid=1

    positivehealth.comDentistry
    /burrow45.htm

    notdoctors.commercfill.html

    geocities.combernieref1.html


    216.239.53.100search
    lc08J:www.melisa.org/articles/

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:



    engel-
    e.pdf+people+finding+improvements+from+removal+of+amalgams&-
    hl=en&ie=UT

    Quoted message said:

    F-8

    Quoted message said:


    web-light.nlframe r.html

    positivehealth.comc
    rawford76.htm

    cqs.comamalgam.htm

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  12. Mark Probert-Ma
    Archived post
    #12

    Please explain why your a right to Jan?

    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hulda's zapper doesn't have platinum electrodes, so this
    study is irrelevant. If she posts this as evidence, then
    she should show evidence that


    cisplatin

    Quoted message said:

    does not effect bacteria, or indeed some evidence that
    cisplatin has anti baterial/anti viral effects. Anth

    "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:40517788$0$26964$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
    02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040312010231.01740.00001359@mb-
    m22.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:

    >From: "Peter Moran"

    >Subject: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid

    Because organized medicine and Peter Moran say so.

    Leave us out of this. It is a group of chemists who made
    the prior discovery that Lai incompetently overlooks,
    that platinum compounds


    from

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the electrodes would produce cancericidal effects in
    this in vitro


    system.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Look at the web site I gave.

    Electrical engineers explain why the Syncrometer won't
    do what Hulda


    Clark

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    claims.

    Non-medical parasitologists will explain why her
    parasite theories are wrong.

    There is utterly no evidence that removing dental
    fillings will help


    anyone

    Quoted message said:

    cure cancer (that one is mine and I stick by it).

    Peter Moran


    Report
  13. Anth
    Archived post
    #13

    ? Anth

    "Mark Probert-March 14, 2004" <Mark Probert03-14-
    [email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Please explain why your a right to Jan?

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