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Why does Dura Ace cost the most?

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  1. I was thinking about this today.

    Dura Ace weighs less than Ultegra, which weighs less than 105. I would therefore conclude that they also make better use of the material from which they are made (and use overall less raw material to make). Why is it then that they cost more? Is it a different, more difficult alloy to create? Are the parts more finely machined with less tolerance? Are they making up for R&D that went into the high end stuff? Does their manufacturing require more human involvement? Or is it simply a marketing ploy that since they're better they can charge more?

  2. It's easy to make a heavy part strong. It isn't easy to make a light part strong.

    DA has the DA name.

    It is the lightest, and arguably most reliable.

  3. It's race proven. There's probably guys that could win using 105, but they'd probably break the bank replacing it so often...

  4. tfstrum said:

    It's race proven. There's probably guys that could win using 105, but they'd probably break the bank replacing it so often...

    Utter [censored].

  5. bobbyOCR said:

    Utter [censored].

    What do you know? He wanted an answer he got one...

  6. I thought that it was lighter. Most of the contact surfaces were machined with harder wearing materials. It certainly seems to change more precisely. Its supposed to be harder wearing.

    Of course the thing about reliability is what is touted by the bike shops. How much truth there is in it I don't know. I would wager that the average Shimano Sora equipped bike that comes through the door has probably not been as well maintained as the average Shimano Dura Ace equipped bike and therefore there could well be a reason why Sora or Tiagra doesn't last as long.

    Lest anyone wonders I am not saying that Sora or Tiagra users are careless or less able to maintain their equipment than Dura Ace users. The price point of the lower end groupsets hwoever means that they will get into the hands of people who just want a bike and never maintain them. Having said that I know guys who don't maintain their top end groupsets either.

    tfstrum said:

    What do you know? He wanted an answer he got one...

  7. If you plan to bought Dura Ace groupset you should go to www.cyclecomponets.com or www.probikekit.com good pages!!

  8. tfstrum said:

    What do you know? He wanted an answer he got one...


    There are few functional differences between 105 and DA. Primarily, they relate to higher quality internal components on the DA (e.g. bearings cf. bushings), meaning a theoretically longer lasting shift unit.

    BUT being 105 doesn't necessarily fall apart with significanlly less usage. I would wager that in the experience of most who use it, 105 is pretty reliable, and not much less than that of DA.

    n

  9. I raced 105 for over a season (around 22,000km). Apart from being heavy, it was bombproof, and still is. couldn't fault it.

  10. Go compare the weight of a full DA group to that of Ultegra, you'd be surprised how little difference there is. Most people who have just "got to have DA" could stand to loose a few pounds themselves. I'll stick to racing Ultegra. Heck my crit bike is even 105 because if I wreck I can replace the parts pretty inexpensively and in a crit the very slight extra weight doesn't mean jack.

  11. - hi.

    - have both 105 and DAce.

    - Both work well.

    - but DAce is light , smooth and has a very good feel to it.

    - and when you see the machining on the DAce chainwheels , you'll know where the money went.

    cheers.

    .

  12. I've got full Ultegra group set, its killer, I can't imagine how the dura ace could be better, but somehow it is.

  13. bobbyOCR said:

    I raced 105 for over a season (around 22,000km). Apart from being heavy, it was bombproof, and still is. couldn't fault it.


    I completely agree. 105 is just fine. I have Durace on my bike and my wife has 105. Both hold up quite nicely during the season. In fact the chain and rear cluster hold up better on 105 than the Durace. Now things are even more complicated with Ultegra SL. So many decisions!

  14. Cycler6n said:

    I've got full Ultegra group set, its killer, I can't imagine how the dura ace could be better, but somehow it is.


    Yes, I know what you mean - I have Ultegra and my bike is worth about $2000 and as I ride, I think, how could a bike get any better than this?

    It boggles the mind.

    But hopefully they do - especially for the people who are spending 10k.

  15. Wow, there are quite a few people posting assumptions and not stating them as such. A lot of mis-information is being passed around.

    I'm not stating that my knowledge is the absolute truth, however, working at a bike shop, at lot of the knowledge I've learned is from ex-racers, and guys who have been around bikes for 30+ years.

    The reason why sora and tiagra wear faster than 105 and above is because of the plastic parts. They aren't built with the same quality materials as 105 and above, and thus, they wear faster. That's it. Corners are cut to make them cheaper, and the cheaper plastic parts wear faster than metal. 105 and above are all metal, and thus last longer. Sora and Tiagra are completely functional, and capable, however, if you're doing more than 100 miles a week, I'd recommend 105 or above for the longevity of the parts.

    Aside from weight between 105, Ultegra and DA, the higher up you go, the more precise (see: smoother) the shifting is. The difference between a properly adjusted 105 front derailer/shifter and an Ultegra is almost night and day (IMO), especially when going from the smaller cog to the larger. The difference between Ultegra and DA isn't nearly as great. The jump between Ultegra and DA leads to parts being lighter, and ultimately, they wear faster. Although its not a huge difference in terms of longevity, DA will wear faster than Ultegra (according to the shop mechanics). Generally, unless people want to show off their bikes at starbucks, or are racers, I recommend Ultegra simply because of the value you get over DA. Unless you're a racer, and grams actually matter to you, you're buying the DA name, and that's it.

    If you're familiar with the shimano MTB groupo's, the jump between XT and XTR is similar to the Ultegra and DA. Lighter, but not necessarily stronger.

  16. lbraasch said:

    Wow, there is quite a bit of people posting assumptions and not stating them as such. A lot of mis-information being passed around in general.

    I'm not stating that my knowledge is the absolute truth, however, working at a bike shop, at lot of the knowledge I've learned is from ex-racers, and guys who have been around bikes for 30+ years.

    The reason why sora and tiagra wear faster than 105 and above is because of the plastic parts. They aren't built with the same quality materials as 105 and above, and thus, they wear faster. That's it. Corners are cut to make them cheaper, and the cheaper plastic parts wear faster than metal. 105 and above are all metal, and thus last longer. Sora and Tiagra are completely functional, and capable, however, if you're doing more than 100 miles a week, I'd recommend 105 or above for the longevity of the parts.

    Aside from weight between 105, Ultegra and DA, the higher up you go, the more precise (see: smoother) the shifting is. The difference between a properly adjusted 105 front derailer/shifter and an Ultegra is almost night and day (IMO), especially when going from the smaller cog to the larger. The difference in Ultegra and DA isn't as great. The jump between Ultegra and DA leads to parts being lighter, and ultimately, they wear faster. Although its not a huge difference in terms of longevity, DA will wear faster than Ultegra (according to the shop mechanics). Generally, unless people want to show off their bikes at starbucks, or are racers, I recommend Ultegra simply because of the value you get over DA. Unless you're a racer, and grams actually matter to you, you're buying the DA name, and that's it.

    If you're familiar with the shimano MTB groupo's, the jump between XT and XTR is similar to the Ultegra and DA. Lighter, but not necessarily stronger.

    Well said, but man does a fully DA equipped Cervello give me wood!

  17. I get better F/D shifting from my 105 equipped Giant TCR Aero 2 than from my Ultegra 9 Kestrel or my Dura Ace 9 Cervelo Soloist Team. Well, mainly because I think my FSA Superlight cranks on my Kestrel and Cervelo have poor chainring designs that lead to poor shifting. I ended up last place in a criterium race because my Kestrel F/D wouldn't shift on the dime.

    Oh, my Campagnolo Record Cervelo Soloist gives me a hard on! But DA Cervelos sell for more on ebay...

    DA probably uses more expensive materials and mfg processes too.

  18. JTE83 said:


    DA probably uses more expensive materials and mfg processes too.

    DA has more Ti parts than Ultegra (not sure if Ultegra has any).

  19. - have to agree that when comparing the front end shifting between 105 and DuraAce , its really like night and day.

    - the 105 , is , how shall we say ... agricultural.

    - the DAce is smooth , and the lever travel is short , sharp and swift.
    .

    I think only people who have had both types of complete groupsets should be commenting on this. If not , you're just re-gurgitating stuff you read on the net/magazine.

    .

  20. lbraasch said:

    DA has more Ti parts than Ultegra (not sure if Ultegra has any).

    This is more or less the sort of definite answer I was looking for...thanks to everyone else though for your comments!

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