Why the hell is Tyler allowed to race?

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August 19. 2006 3:11PM

Tyler Hamilton, Aimee Vasse win Mount Washington bike race

The Associated Press

Olympic gold medalist Tyler Hamilton, who's been suspended from
sanctioned races for the past two years, returned to the White
Mountains Saturday to win the only race he has been free to ride - the
7.6-mile Mount Washington Auto Road Bicycle Hillclimb.

Grosse Point, Mich.-native Aimee Vasse won for the women, coming in at
1:08:31 to place 22nd overall in a field of almost 600 riders.
Hamilton's time was 52:21. His suspension over a blood doping offense
ends Sept. 22, just in time for the World Cycling Championships on
Sept. 24.

For Hamilton, of Marblehead, Mass., the race was a time trial, for
Vasse a tactical contest.

"I went as hard as I could from the bottom of the hill," Hamilton said.

Riders faced wet conditions, with a sudden rainsquall at the start, wet
fog on the upper slopes, and a 20-mph wind.

Hamilton's closest pursuer was 51-year-old former world mountain bike
champion Ned Overend of Durango, Colo., who placed fourth here in 2005.
Overend finished in 54:41. Third place went to Ian Ayers, of Atlantic
Highlands, N.J., who was making his fifth, and best, appearance here.

Damn! Hamilton is in his early 30s and Overend is only slower than him by 2
minutes and change? Ned is a machine.

Gooserider said:

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Hamilton's closest pursuer was 51-year-old former world mountain bike
champion Ned Overend of Durango, Colo., who placed fourth here in 2005.
Overend finished in 54:41. Third place went to Ian Ayers, of Atlantic
Highlands, N.J., who was making his fifth, and best, appearance here.

Damn! Hamilton is in his early 30s and Overend is only slower than him by 2
minutes and change? Ned is a machine.

good news for us who are past our prime-

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Olympic gold medalist Tyler Hamilton, who's been suspended from
sanctioned races for the past two years, returned to the White
Mountains Saturday to win the only race he has been free to ride - the
7.6-mile Mount Washington Auto Road Bicycle Hillclimb.

Mount Washington is not a sanctioned USCF race. Unlicensed douchebags can
enter too. Glad to see him win it.

--
Snippy de Bobkins
"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain;
as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."
--Albert Einstein

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Olympic gold medalist Tyler Hamilton, who's been suspended from
sanctioned races for the past two years, returned to the White
Mountains Saturday to win the only race he has been free to ride - the
7.6-mile Mount Washington Auto Road Bicycle Hillclimb.

Mount Washington is not a sanctioned USCF race. Unlicensed douchebags can
enter too. Glad to see him win it.

Yeah, but Tyler was warned about competing in non USCF races in
Colorado about a year ago...Or at least the race promoters were warned.

I think 2-year ban means: 2-year ban. Sanctioned or non-sanctioned.
By participating in a non-sanctioned event, that means he is thumbing
his nose at the UCI's authority over him. So then let him compete
solely at the non-sanctioned level from now on. Problem solved.

In article <[email hidden]>,

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Snippy Bobkins said:

<[email hidden]> wrote ...

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Olympic gold medalist Tyler Hamilton, who's been suspended from
sanctioned races for the past two years, returned to the White
Mountains Saturday to win the only race he has been free to ride - the
7.6-mile Mount Washington Auto Road Bicycle Hillclimb.

Mount Washington is not a sanctioned USCF race. Unlicensed douchebags can
enter too. Glad to see him win it.

Yeah, but Tyler was warned about competing in non USCF races in
Colorado about a year ago...Or at least the race promoters were warned.

I think 2-year ban means: 2-year ban. Sanctioned or non-sanctioned.
By participating in a non-sanctioned event, that means he is thumbing
his nose at the UCI's authority over him. So then let him compete
solely at the non-sanctioned level from now on. Problem solved.

I thought the warning was to licensed riders competing in non-USCF
races. The concern was that it showered disrepute on the USCF to see
their riders competing against riders who had been "banned."

This stuff can degenerate very rapidly into bogus "ownership of the
sport" peeing matches that serve no benefit for anyone. Ask Les Earnest.

That said, bans are bans. If I was a racing organization, I would tend
to default to respecting bans from other sanctioning bodies except on a
case-by-case basis. Wouldn't that be nice: then you could fight your ban
across the country, one independent sanctioning body at a time.

On second thought, forget I ever said this,

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

Ryan Cousineau said:

That said, bans are bans. If I was a racing organization, I would tend
to default to respecting bans from other sanctioning bodies except on a
case-by-case basis. Wouldn't that be nice: then you could fight your ban
across the country, one independent sanctioning body at a time.

On second thought, forget I ever said this,

There's a guy here (in Belgium) who got a life ban from the Flemish
cycling federation, so he tried to race in Wallonia instead, but I
think they frowned upon him as well. So he does non-sanctioned mountain
bike races I think. I guess the other competitors (not just the
promoters) in such events should have a say on whether banned-for-life
dopers should be allowed in.

Also, it was with a slight sense of irony that I noted what he was
wearing the other day when I saw him out training: the full ProTour
leader's jersey and shorts.

Jeff

Ryan Cousineau said:

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Snippy Bobkins said:

<[email hidden]> wrote ...
>
> Olympic gold medalist Tyler Hamilton, who's been suspended from
> sanctioned races for the past two years, returned to the White
> Mountains Saturday to win the only race he has been free to ride - the
> 7.6-mile Mount Washington Auto Road Bicycle Hillclimb.

Mount Washington is not a sanctioned USCF race. Unlicensed douchebags can
enter too. Glad to see him win it.

Yeah, but Tyler was warned about competing in non USCF races in
Colorado about a year ago...Or at least the race promoters were warned.

I think 2-year ban means: 2-year ban. Sanctioned or non-sanctioned.
By participating in a non-sanctioned event, that means he is thumbing
his nose at the UCI's authority over him. So then let him compete
solely at the non-sanctioned level from now on. Problem solved.

I thought the warning was to licensed riders competing in non-USCF
races. The concern was that it showered disrepute on the USCF to see
their riders competing against riders who had been "banned."

That's just it...Hamilton is a licensed rider. He might be under
suspension, but he is still supposed to be honoring the terms of his
suspension. I think that would especially include not competing in a
non UCI-affiliated organization's events. The message sent to Hamilton
should be along the lines of "Don't want to respect your suspension?
Then go ahead and remain non-sanctioned for good".

Besides admonishing USCF riders at the events in CO, USAC also
admonished Hamilton for not honoring the spirit of his suspension.

mikey D said:

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tech query here- what powers do UCI have over rides that they are not tkaing
kickbacks on (er, sorry- 'sanctioning'..)

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Snippy Bobkins said:

<[email hidden]> wrote ...
>
> Olympic gold medalist Tyler Hamilton, who's been suspended from
> sanctioned races for the past two years, returned to the White
> Mountains Saturday to win the only race he has been free to ride - the
> 7.6-mile Mount Washington Auto Road Bicycle Hillclimb.

Mount Washington is not a sanctioned USCF race. Unlicensed douchebags

can

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enter too. Glad to see him win it.

Yeah, but Tyler was warned about competing in non USCF races in
Colorado about a year ago...Or at least the race promoters were warned.

I think 2-year ban means: 2-year ban. Sanctioned or non-sanctioned.
By participating in a non-sanctioned event, that means he is thumbing
his nose at the UCI's authority over him. So then let him compete
solely at the non-sanctioned level from now on. Problem solved.

Just curious. How do you request that a message not be archived? If I
knew how to do that, I'd uncloak myself again.

x-no-archive: yes

tech query here- what powers do UCI have over rides that they are not tkaing
kickbacks on (er, sorry- 'sanctioning'..)

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Snippy Bobkins said:

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Olympic gold medalist Tyler Hamilton, who's been suspended from
sanctioned races for the past two years, returned to the White
Mountains Saturday to win the only race he has been free to ride - the
7.6-mile Mount Washington Auto Road Bicycle Hillclimb.

Mount Washington is not a sanctioned USCF race. Unlicensed douchebags

can

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enter too. Glad to see him win it.

Yeah, but Tyler was warned about competing in non USCF races in
Colorado about a year ago...Or at least the race promoters were warned.

I think 2-year ban means: 2-year ban. Sanctioned or non-sanctioned.
By participating in a non-sanctioned event, that means he is thumbing
his nose at the UCI's authority over him. So then let him compete
solely at the non-sanctioned level from now on. Problem solved.

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mikey D said:

x-no-archive: yes

tech query here- what powers do UCI have over rides that they are not tkaing
kickbacks on (er, sorry- 'sanctioning'..)

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Snippy Bobkins wrote:
> <[email hidden]> wrote ...
>> Olympic gold medalist Tyler Hamilton, who's been suspended from
>> sanctioned races for the past two years, returned to the White
>> Mountains Saturday to win the only race he has been free to ride - the
>> 7.6-mile Mount Washington Auto Road Bicycle Hillclimb.
> Mount Washington is not a sanctioned USCF race. Unlicensed douchebags

can

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> enter too. Glad to see him win it.
>
Yeah, but Tyler was warned about competing in non USCF races in
Colorado about a year ago...Or at least the race promoters were warned.

I think 2-year ban means: 2-year ban. Sanctioned or non-sanctioned.
By participating in a non-sanctioned event, that means he is thumbing
his nose at the UCI's authority over him. So then let him compete
solely at the non-sanctioned level from now on. Problem solved.

Just curious. How do you request that a message not be archived? If I
knew how to do that, I'd uncloak myself again.

http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=7918&topic=250

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<[email hidden]>,

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Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

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Snippy Bobkins wrote:
> <[email hidden]> wrote ...
> >
> > Olympic gold medalist Tyler Hamilton, who's been suspended from
> > sanctioned races for the past two years, returned to the White
> > Mountains Saturday to win the only race he has been free to ride - the
> > 7.6-mile Mount Washington Auto Road Bicycle Hillclimb.
>
> Mount Washington is not a sanctioned USCF race. Unlicensed douchebags can
> enter too. Glad to see him win it.
>

Yeah, but Tyler was warned about competing in non USCF races in
Colorado about a year ago...Or at least the race promoters were warned.

I think 2-year ban means: 2-year ban. Sanctioned or non-sanctioned.
By participating in a non-sanctioned event, that means he is thumbing
his nose at the UCI's authority over him. So then let him compete
solely at the non-sanctioned level from now on. Problem solved.

I thought the warning was to licensed riders competing in non-USCF
races. The concern was that it showered disrepute on the USCF to see
their riders competing against riders who had been "banned."

That's just it...Hamilton is a licensed rider.

He is paying dues?

--
Michael Press

In article <[email hidden]>, Ryan

Cousineau said:

I thought the warning was to licensed riders competing in non-USCF
races. The concern was that it showered disrepute on the USCF to see
their riders competing against riders who had been "banned."

Actually it was the UCI that asked USA Cycling to send a message to
riders who hold an international license to remind them about the
possible sanctions against riders who ride in unsanctioned events.

I believe the UCI rule is that riders holding an international license
can't ride in events that aren't approved by the country's governing
body. For the regional groups like ACA and OBRA USAC give approval to
those events so people with an international license can do them
without having to worry about UCI suspension.

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This stuff can degenerate very rapidly into bogus "ownership of the
sport" peeing matches that serve no benefit for anyone. Ask Les Earnest.

That said, bans are bans. If I was a racing organization, I would tend
to default to respecting bans from other sanctioning bodies except on a
case-by-case basis. Wouldn't that be nice: then you could fight your ban
across the country, one independent sanctioning body at a time.

On second thought, forget I ever said this,

Jeff Jones said:

Also, it was with a slight sense of irony that I noted what he was
wearing the other day when I saw him out training: the full ProTour
leader's jersey and shorts.

Noted, and rules regarding the grokking of irony and Armageddon duly
amended to include Belgians.

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Just curious. How do you request that a message not be archived? If I
knew how to do that, I'd uncloak myself again.

What difference does it make unless you're just a jack hole who won't stand
behind what he types.

Ron

RonSonic said:

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Just curious. How do you request that a message not be archived? If I
knew how to do that, I'd uncloak myself again.

What difference does it make unless you're just a jack hole who won't stand
behind what he types.

Ron

And Ron Sonic is your real name?

RonSonic said:

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Just curious. How do you request that a message not be archived? If I
knew how to do that, I'd uncloak myself again.

What difference does it make unless you're just a jack hole who won't stand
behind what he types.

Ron

And Ron Sonic is YOUR real name? Or is just "Ron" supposed to be good
enough. Er, yeah, Ron from Tampa Bay. That's standing nehind what you
say.

Unlike Kunich, Papai (and others) I don't need my past conversations
with you dumbasses dragged up by coworkers (or prospective employers) 5
years down the road.

Ernst Noch said:

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mikey D said:

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tech query here- what powers do UCI have over rides that they are not tkaing
kickbacks on (er, sorry- 'sanctioning'..)

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<[email hidden]>...
> Snippy Bobkins wrote:
>> <[email hidden]> wrote ...
>>> Olympic gold medalist Tyler Hamilton, who's been suspended from
>>> sanctioned races for the past two years, returned to the White
>>> Mountains Saturday to win the only race he has been free to ride - the
>>> 7.6-mile Mount Washington Auto Road Bicycle Hillclimb.
>> Mount Washington is not a sanctioned USCF race. Unlicensed douchebags
can
>> enter too. Glad to see him win it.
>>
> Yeah, but Tyler was warned about competing in non USCF races in
> Colorado about a year ago...Or at least the race promoters were warned.
>
> I think 2-year ban means: 2-year ban. Sanctioned or non-sanctioned.
> By participating in a non-sanctioned event, that means he is thumbing
> his nose at the UCI's authority over him. So then let him compete
> solely at the non-sanctioned level from now on. Problem solved.
>

Just curious. How do you request that a message not be archived? If I
knew how to do that, I'd uncloak myself again.

http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=7918&topic=250

Thanks. I had not noticed this feature of google.

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For the women, Vasse won by overtaking two extremely strong
challengers, Marti Shea of Marblehead, Mass., and Sue Schlatter of
Ottawa, Ontario. Both rode ahead of Vasse in the early miles below the
mountain's treeline, but as Vasse said afterward, "I knew I had to save
something for the end. The key was the win, not the time."

Schlatter arrived just six seconds behind Vasse, clocking a 1:08:37 and
placing 24th overall. Shea was by herself in third at 1:11:40.

I was half-wondering if Jeanson would show up. Guess not.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Jeff Jones said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

That said, bans are bans. If I was a racing organization, I would tend
to default to respecting bans from other sanctioning bodies except on a
case-by-case basis. Wouldn't that be nice: then you could fight your ban
across the country, one independent sanctioning body at a time.

On second thought, forget I ever said this,

There's a guy here (in Belgium) who got a life ban from the Flemish
cycling federation, so he tried to race in Wallonia instead, but I
think they frowned upon him as well. So he does non-sanctioned mountain
bike races I think. I guess the other competitors (not just the
promoters) in such events should have a say on whether banned-for-life
dopers should be allowed in.

Also, it was with a slight sense of irony that I noted what he was
wearing the other day when I saw him out training: the full ProTour
leader's jersey and shorts.

Ha! Now that's thumbing your nose at the authorities.

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?