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  1. The following has been advanced elsewhere in an attempt to explain the ever-perplexing mystery of
    why anyone/everyone avoids/promotes 'cooking'.

    I. GIVEN: the preparation of food, beyond the needs of existence, is dependent upon taste-in-the-
    mouth as experienced by an individual.

    THEREFORE, any commercially prepared food not experienced as unpleasant by an individual's taste
    buds will not provide impetus to create the item from scratch.

    II. GIVEN: Individual taste buds' sensitivity ranges from complete lack of discrimination to
    complete discrimination, with the greatest segment's being comprised of those who appreciate
    excellent food but do *not* experience as unpleasant _some-to-many_ commercial products.

    THEREFORE, any individual will cook only in direct proportion to a) desire for excellent taste in
    food plus b) how many commercial products repel her/him. Thus one may see a post of a fine recipe
    coupled with an admission on the poster's part as having a fondness for canned gravies or Cool Whip
    or Kraft Singles.

    CONCLUSION: The individual who eschews most/all commercially prepared food products is merely
    responding to her/his taste buds' dictates in much the same way that one born with a musical 'ear'
    eschews all but fine music and is repelled by pop offerings. Statistically, the majority falls
    closer to the center of the spectrum, but there is nothing intrinsic to take credit for, nor will
    there ever be a conversion on grounds of taste-in-the-mouth for those born without this sensitivity.

    [Specifically omitted are all issues of health maintenance and children's 'diets' (purchased and
    introduced by their parents) as being more suitable for separate threads, although there remains the
    esoteric question of at what age do a human being's taste buds reach full maturity.]

    Wijnston

  2. While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, Wijnston of Cox

    Communications said:

    CONCLUSION: The individual who eschews most/all commercially prepared food products is merely
    responding to her/his taste buds' dictates in much the same way that one born with a musical 'ear'
    eschews all but fine music and is repelled by pop offerings. Statistically, the majority falls
    closer to the center of the spectrum, but there is nothing intrinsic to take credit for, nor will
    there ever be a conversion on grounds of taste-in-the-mouth for those born without this
    sensitivity.


    I don't think that you, from your premises, can conclude that this sensitivity is something which
    statically either have or not, and that you can't gain such a sensitivity. Your premises just shows
    that people have different degrees of sensitivity, but nothing else, IMO.

    I used to love canned food, frozen ready-made meals and that kind of things, but after slowly
    learning to cook (which I still think I'm in the process of), I wouldn't want to eat that kind of
    food again. My motivation for beginning to learn how to cook was initially health and money, but
    nothing else.
    --
    Nikitta a.a. #1759 Apatriot(No, not apricot)#18 ICQ# 251532856 Unreferenced footnotes: nut.house.cxcgi
    bin/nemwiki.pl?ISFN "No. *Real* men eat whatever they like." Chwith (AFV)

  3. "Wijnston" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    The following has been advanced elsewhere in an attempt to explain the ever-perplexing mystery of
    why anyone/everyone avoids/promotes 'cooking'.


    You perhaps have too much time on your hands. Try making the perfect beef Wellington.

  4. Wijnston syllogized:

    Quoted message said:

    THEREFORE, any individual will cook only in direct proportion to a) desire for excellent taste in
    food plus b) how many commercial products repel her/him. Thus one may see a post of a fine recipe
    coupled with an admission on the poster's part as having a fondness for canned gravies or Cool
    Whip or Kraft Singles.

    Try this theory: "An individual might cook because his girlfriend shows her love more ardently
    when he does."

    Works that way for me, anyway...

    Bob

  5. On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:17:18 -0800, "Wijnston" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    The following has been advanced elsewhere in an attempt to explain the ever-perplexing mystery of
    why anyone/everyone avoids/promotes 'cooking'.

    I. GIVEN: the preparation of food, beyond the needs of existence, is dependent upon taste-in-the-
    mouth as experienced by an individual.

    Hmm. Economics should be in here somewhere. Also nutrition. And time. And skill/experience.

    <large snips>

    Quoted message said:

    CONCLUSION: The individual who eschews most/all commercially prepared food products is merely
    responding to her/his taste buds' dictates in much the same way that one born with a musical 'ear'
    eschews all but fine music and is repelled by pop offerings.

    The assumption that ALL "commercially prepared" foods are, as a class, inferior in taste to self-
    prepared ones is false, IMHO. Tastes differ, as the snipped portion notes. Also, "commercially
    prepared" ranges from a 99-cent frozen dinner to a meal in a 4-star restaurant.

    Just as "fine music" isn't a single class and does *not* exclude popular music as an entirely
    separate class.

    That one prefers Kraft singles and another Stilton *doesn't* mark either as intrinsically superior.

    The subject line is an interesting one. And the premises mentioned are certainly part of the story.
    I agree that reproducing some delicious taste experience is a motivator, and avoiding the reverse,
    also. Just not the *only* reasons to cook.

  6. x-no-archive: yes

    Wijnston wrote inter alia:

    Quoted message said:

    THEREFORE, any individual will cook only in direct proportion to a) desire for excellent taste in
    food plus b) how many commercial products repel her/him.

    Oh, come on.

    There are a million reasons why people cook. It's fun. It's a way of showing hospitality. People
    like it when you go to the trouble of making stuff for them.

    If you're writing a term paper or something here, you need to do some rethinking, IMO.

    Naomi D.

  7. "Wijnston" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:8S_Lb.429116$J77.143778@fed1read07...
    : The following has been advanced elsewhere in an attempt to explain the ever-perplexing mystery of
    : why anyone/everyone avoids/promotes 'cooking'.
    :
    (snip)

    :any commercially prepared food not experienced as unpleasant
    : by an individual's taste buds will not provide impetus BY ITSELF
    [emphasis added] to create the item from scratch.

    As none of the reponses refuted the statement above, but merely listed the many other exogenous
    reasons for cooking -- the 'maturing' of taste buds, health, economics, class consciousness (in
    one's taste buds?), cooking for an appreciative other, creative outlet, etc., -- a recipe for
    individual beef Wellington is given to blur the edges of any imagined controversy.

    ***Individual Beef Wellington***

    4 1-1/2" to 2" thick slices of filet of beef Butter (or margarine) Salt and pepper 12 sheets of
    Athens® or Apollo® fillo dough
    1/4 cup melted butter 1 egg beaten well Duxelles (see ingredients below) Bordelaise Sauce (see
    ingredients below)

    Sauté filets in butter in very hot skillet, approximately 2-3 minutes on each side. Season with salt
    and pepper. Set aside and let cool completely. May be prepared in advance.

    Now prepare **Duxelles**, which also can be prepared in advance.

    1-1/2 pounds mushrooms 2 medium onions or 8 shallots
    2/4 cup chopped parsley Few drops of fresh squeezed lemon Salt and pepper 2-3 tablespoons butter

    Clean and trim stems of mushrooms. Chop very fine (or grate) mushrooms. Wrap in towel and squeeze
    out excess moisture. Heat butter and lightly brown chopped onions or shallots. Add mushrooms, salt
    and pepper and a few drops of lemon juice and stir over high heat until all moisture has completely
    evaporated. Stir in chopped parsley. Set aside and let cool completely.

    Place first sheet of fillo on damp cloth, brush with melted butter. Place second sheet directly over
    first sheet and brush with melted butter. Add the third sheet. Place one filet in the middle of the
    dough and spread 1/4 of the Duxelles over the top of the filet. Fold in sides of dough and wrap like
    a package, making sure that filet is completely covered. Seal seams with cold water. Repeat for
    every piece of beef. Place all on a tray or cookie sheet, seams down. Brush each filet with well
    beaten egg and bake in preheated 375° F oven for approximately 15 to 20 minutes or until golden
    brown. Serve with Bordelaise sauce over each portion. Serves 4

    **Bordelaise Sauce**

    3 lg Shallots, Minced
    3/3 c Dry Red Wine Salt And Freshly Ground Black Pepper, To Taste 1 ts Chopped Fresh Thyme 4 tb
    Butter 1 tb Unbleached Flour 1 c Brown Stock, Boiled Over High Heat Until Reduced To 2/3 Cup 2
    tb Beef Marrow, Cubed, Poached 5 Minutes In Simmering Water To Cover, And Drained 3 tb Chopped
    Fresh Parsley

    Place the shallots, wine, salt and pepper, and thyme in a small saucepan and bring to a boil.
    Continue to boil until the liquid is reduced by one half. Remove from the heat and strain through a
    sieve. Melt 1 Tbls of the butter in a heavy saucepan over medium heat. Stir in the flour, turn down
    the heat to low, and cook until browned, about 2 minutes. Then pour in the stock and continue to
    simmer over low heat for another 15 to 20 minutes, stirring from time to time. Stir in the reduced
    wine and marrow and cook several minutes longer. Remove from the heat, beat in the remaining butter
    and stir in the parsley. Check and correct the seasonings, if necessary and serve very hot. Yield:
    About 1 cup/6 servings.

    Wijnston

  8. "Wijnston" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:8S_Lb.429116$J77.143778@fed1read07...

    Quoted message said:

    The following has been advanced elsewhere in an attempt to explain the


    ever-perplexing mystery of why anyone/everyone avoids/promotes 'cooking'. Wijnston <

    This weekend I cooked my butt off. Soups (Bean w/bacon); chicken stock; oatmeal cookies w/currents
    and mini choc chips; stuffed french toast w/cream cheese and grand marnier; salmon salad just to
    name a few. I freeze the soups to take to work all week. I gave most of the cookies away. I love to
    bake but don't need a large quantity of food around the house, so I take that to work too. I love to
    experiment w/different ideas and tastes and see what happens when I mix A with B. Throw in some C
    and D. And I get either a wonderful new dish, or something that I'll never make again. It's fun and
    creative and even when it's something I'll never make again, I still have enjoyed making it.

    Suzan

  9. in article [email hidden], MEow at
    [email hidden] wrote on 1/10/04 5:39 PM:

    Quoted message said:

    I used to love canned food, frozen ready-made meals and that kind of things, but after slowly
    learning to cook (which I still think I'm in the process of), I wouldn't want to eat that kind of
    food again. My motivation for beginning to learn how to cook was initially health and money, but
    nothing else.
    --

    Everyone is still learning. The day you stop learning...well...once you know everything, why bother
    living? I mean, how boring! :-)

    I love chef boyardee ravioli. I add some grated parmegiano reggiano to it (Because that's what I
    keep in the house), sprinkle with a bit of italian herbs, and bring it to work to nuke for myself
    for lunch. I am also fond of hamburger helper type, one-pan casseroles, but I don't use the mixes I
    do them on my own. These fill the belly inexpensively, make great leftovers, which is a requirement
    for my "lifestyle", and to me, taste good.

    But I also appreciate the finer things....what's better than a chateaubriand roast, Beef Wellington
    style, with a mushroom/spinach pate between the beef and the crust? My friends rave about my roasted
    turkey marinated in fruit juices and herbs, they beg me for it. I can do trailer trash cuisine, and
    I can do haute cuisine. I appreciate both, and there's a time and place for both.

    I work for Ebenezer Scrooge...everyone in my office is underpaid. You'd think most people would
    bring their lunch from home, rather than ordering in or going out. But they are not cooks and they
    weren't taught how to stretch a food dollar. I don't know how people spend $5 or more a day on
    lunch, I really don't! If i don't bring leftovers, I will buy cans of soup, such as Progresso or
    Chunky, when they go on sale for a dollar or so, stock up on them, and use that for lunch, with a
    piece of fruit. Or chef boyardee, when it goes for about 75 cents a can. And it's not just lunch
    that they don't bother with. they don't have leftovers, because they eat frozen dinners or take out
    at home, too.

    Last week, I made a beef stew that had too much liquid. I saved the excess liquid and made a pot of
    barley mushroom soup, which I took for lunch 5 days in a row. Barley costs 45 cents a pound. I used
    about 15 cents worth of barley, a dollar's worth of mushrooms (from the "old and tired looking, but
    still a good value" rack in the back of the produce department), and stock that I recycled from a
    previous meal....the entire pot of soup cost me less than $3 and I ate lunches from it for a week.
    Several weeks ago, I bought a small roasting chicken for about $2. I roasted it with vegetables, and
    had supper of roasted chicken 3 nights in a row. Then I put the remainder in a pot of hot water and
    made stock, which I added noodles and veggies to and had enough chicken noodle soup for lunches for
    almost a week. That's a lot of mileage out of a 2 dollar chicken! And I guarantee you, even with the
    occasional can of soup or ravioli transgression, I eat healthier than people who live on frozen
    dinners and takeout food. And I spend a helluva lot less on food than some of my coworkers.

    My sister uses a lot of frozen dinners, because she's lazy. Her son grew up with that, but he also
    grew up with the meals my mom and I would make them. The only home cooked meal he ever got growing
    up was Sunday supper at our house. Now 26 years old, he came to visit me about 7 years ago....looked
    in my fridge, freezer, pantry, whatever, and said "you have nothing to eat here". Mind you, I had
    cans of tomatoes, broth, vegetables, loads of dried pasta, rice, beans...packages of meat and
    chicken in the freezer, fresh veggies in the fridge. I was fully stocked, but to him, there was
    nothing to eat. Because it all required preparation, nothing "instant" (except for mashed potatoes,
    i admit it, i grew up on them and love them. But as a counterpoint, I also love real mashed
    potatoes, they are two entirely different things!) I explained to him, I buy ingredients, and make
    the food. He got it. Now, he does all the cooking and does not let his mom buy frozen dinners. They
    both eat a lot better now that he does all the cooking. And I started him on Penzey's this
    year...poor kid! he's now addicted to Sunny Paris. It must be a family trait or something!

    Anyway, frugal eating means making the most of everything you buy. Making soup from what's left of
    that chicken...cooking from scratch wherever possible.... Sure it takes time, but with modern
    conveniences like crock pots, you can have dinner cooking while you're out running errands or at
    work, so you can maximize your time. I think the most valuable skill anyone can ever possess is the
    ability to cook for yourself, and frugally. No matter where you go in life, you will always need to
    eat. And why spend more on food than you have to? You can use your savings to buy other things you
    really want, and will have forever.

  10. [email hidden] (Naomi Darvell) wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    Wijnston wrote inter alia:

    Quoted message said:

    THEREFORE, any individual will cook only in direct proportion to a) desire for excellent taste in
    food plus b) how many commercial products repel her/him.

    Oh, come on.

    There are a million reasons why people cook. It's fun. It's a way of showing hospitality. People
    like it when you go to the trouble of making stuff for them.

    If you're writing a term paper or something here, you need to do some rethinking, IMO.

    Naomi D.

    I cook because I can't draw. It allows me to be creative.

    --
    Once during Prohibition I was forced to live for days on nothing but food and water.
    --------
    FIELDS, W. C.

  11. "orion" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:


    "Wijnston" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8S_Lb.429116$J77.143778@fed1read07...

    Quoted message said:

    The following has been advanced elsewhere in an attempt to explain the


    ever-perplexing mystery of why anyone/everyone avoids/promotes 'cooking'. Wijnston <

    This weekend I cooked my butt off. Soups (Bean w/bacon); chicken stock; oatmeal cookies w/currents
    and mini choc chips; stuffed french toast w/cream cheese and grand marnier; salmon salad just to
    name a few. I freeze the soups to take to work all week. I gave most of the cookies away. I love
    to bake but don't need a large quantity of food around the house, so I take that to work too. I
    love to experiment
    w/different ideas and tastes and see what happens when I mix A with B. Throw in some C and D. And
    I get either a wonderful new dish, or something that I'll never make again. It's fun and
    creative and even when it's something I'll never make again, I still have enjoyed making it.

    Suzan

    Sounds like good eating, Suzan! If you've never tried the stuffed French toast with orange
    marmalade swirled through the cream cheese, consider it next time. The grand marnier would still be
    a good addition!

    Wayne

  12. On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:53:04 GMT, Sheryl Rosen
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    <huge snips>

    Quoted message said:

    Anyway, frugal eating means making the most of everything you buy.

    I just made 4 meal servings based on half a (largish) chicken breast. 1st three came from stir-
    frying chicken + celery, onion, green onion, garlic, ginger, sambal, and bok choi (major expense )
    to put over rice. The 4th was an experiment in 'pecan crusted chicken fingers', since I have a
    wealth of pecans at present. Searched for recipes and found many with finely chopped pecans mixed
    with some sort of crumbs for coating. Corn flakes were mentioned. Ah hah! Dug out a $1 box of
    'Purity' brand corn flakes, and did the chicken thing. Not Bad at All. Good breakfast. :-) Bonus:
    the 'flakes' turned out to be rather large -- up to the size of small crackers -- and not only did
    fairly well in the pecan coating, but also as snack food for someone (this one) who loves chips.

    As for "why do we cook?" economy is certainly one good reason. The frequent local sale price of bone-
    in chicken breasts is 99-cents/lb; boneless, 1.99. The boneless fillets that result cost
    approximately the same per lb, but bone-in plus labor (which *is* a consideration) gives one both
    the fillets *and* chicken stock.

    OTOH, if I were rich beyond the dreams of avarice, I'd have someone cook for me. :-) Still, knowing
    how to cook (a bit) means I can satisfy a longing for cheese puffs at 10pm, which might be difficult
    even with live-in help.

  13. While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, Sheryl Rosen of Optimum

    Online said:

    Everyone is still learning. The day you stop learning...well...once you know everything, why bother
    living? I mean, how boring! :-)


    Funny you should say that, because I've said the self same thing many times, myself; the day I no
    longer want to learn new things is the day I'll no longer want to live :0)

    Quoted message said:

    I love chef boyardee ravioli. I add some grated parmegiano reggiano to it (Because that's what I
    keep in the house), sprinkle with a bit of italian herbs, and bring it to work to nuke for myself
    for lunch. I am also fond of hamburger helper type, one-pan casseroles, but I don't use the mixes I
    do them on my own. These fill the belly inexpensively, make great leftovers, which is a requirement
    for my "lifestyle", and to me, taste good.

    But I also appreciate the finer things....what's better than a chateaubriand roast, Beef Wellington
    style, with a mushroom/spinach pate between the beef and the crust? My friends rave about my
    roasted turkey marinated in fruit juices and herbs, they beg me for it. I can do trailer trash
    cuisine, and I can do haute cuisine. I appreciate both, and there's a time and place for both.


    I can make some pretty decent thrown together veggie-dishes in one frying pan, or pot, and that kind
    of things; cheap and fairly good food which I need, as I'm not a rich girl. I can't do much more
    complicated things than that, though I can follow a recipe; but I want to learn, and that's partly
    why I'm here: I've come a long way since I couldn't even boil potatoes, but I want to expand, as I
    otherwise risk getting bored with my own cooking. I've found some soup recipes which look
    interesting, and I plan to try two of them during the next week. Now I'm on vacation, so I have more
    energy to cook, and do other things. Another reason why I'm here is that I'm now eating fish, which
    I didn't before, so cooking fish is new to me.

    Quoted message said:

    I work for Ebenezer Scrooge...everyone in my office is underpaid. You'd think most people would
    bring their lunch from home, rather than ordering in or going out. But they are not cooks and they
    weren't taught how to stretch a food dollar. I don't know how people spend $5 or more a day on
    lunch, I really don't! If i don't bring leftovers, I will buy cans of soup, such as Progresso or
    Chunky, when they go on sale for a dollar or so, stock up on them, and use that for lunch, with a
    piece of fruit. Or chef boyardee, when it goes for about 75 cents a can. And it's not just lunch
    that they don't bother with. they don't have leftovers, because they eat frozen dinners or take out
    at home, too.


    Currently I work (as a temp) helping disabled and old people, and that's not something you get rich
    on, either. I tend to bring a box with leftovers, if I remember. Otherwise I buy something in the
    supermarket to keep me going until I can go home; a can of something and bread, or the cheap
    vegetarian pea soup you can get. It will do. Mostly my co-workers buy frozen meals.

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    My sister uses a lot of frozen dinners, because she's lazy. Her son grew up with that, but he also
    grew up with the meals my mom and I would make them. The only home cooked meal he ever got growing
    up was Sunday supper at our house. Now 26 years old, he came to visit me about 7 years
    ago....looked in my fridge, freezer, pantry, whatever, and said "you have nothing to eat here".
    Mind you, I had cans of tomatoes, broth, vegetables, loads of dried pasta, rice, beans...packages
    of meat and chicken in the freezer, fresh veggies in the fridge. I was fully stocked, but to him,
    there was nothing to eat. Because it all required preparation, nothing "instant" (except for mashed
    potatoes, i admit it, i grew up on them and love them. But as a counterpoint, I also love real
    mashed potatoes, they are two entirely different things!) I explained to him, I buy ingredients,
    and make the food. He got it. Now, he does all the cooking and does not let his mom buy frozen
    dinners. They both eat a lot better now that he does all the cooking. And I started him on Penzey's
    this year...poor kid! he's now addicted to Sunny Paris. It must be a family trait or something!


    Good going!

    Quoted message said:

    Anyway, frugal eating means making the most of everything you buy. Making soup from what's left of
    that chicken...cooking from scratch wherever possible.... Sure it takes time, but with modern
    conveniences like crock pots, you can have dinner cooking while you're out running errands or at
    work, so you can maximize your time. I think the most valuable skill anyone can ever possess is the
    ability to cook for yourself, and frugally. No matter where you go in life, you will always need to
    eat. And why spend more on food than you have to? You can use your savings to buy other things you
    really want, and will have forever.

    I agree. I sometimes have to stretch here and there to make ends meet, but I can do that. We didn't
    have much when I grew up either, so I don't have expensive habits, but that doesn't mean that I
    can't expand on my cooking-skills. The plaice I made, after getting help here, wasn't expensive, but
    they were still like luxury meals to me ;0) Believe it or not, but I hadn't made sauce before that,
    so it was completely new to me! :0)
    --
    Nikitta a.a. #1759 Apatriot(No, not apricot)#18 ICQ# 251532856 Unreferenced footnotes: nut.house.cxcgi
    bin/nemwiki.pl?ISFN "There's nothin like swimmin with bow legged wimmin!" Dave W (a.a.)

  14. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This weekend I cooked my butt off. Soups (Bean w/bacon); chicken stock; oatmeal cookies
    w/currents and mini choc chips; stuffed french toast w/cream cheese and grand marnier; salmon
    salad just to name a few. I freeze the soups to take to work all week. I gave most of the
    cookies away. I love to bake but don't need a large quantity of food around the house, so I take
    that to work too. I love to experiment
    w/different ideas and tastes and see what happens when I mix A with B. Throw in some C and D.
    And I get either a wonderful new dish, or something that I'll never make again. It's fun and
    creative and even when it's something I'll never make again, I still have enjoyed making it.

    Suzan

    Quoted message said:

    Sounds like good eating, Suzan! If you've never tried the stuffed French toast with orange
    marmalade swirled through the cream cheese, consider it next time. The grand marnier would still
    be a good addition!

    Wayne

    Hmmmmmmm, sounds like an idea for next weekend! I used some slightly old 3 raison bread for the
    french toast. It was very yummy. I also like using the raison bread toasted for chicken salad
    sandwiches. Sounds wierd, but tastes really good.

    Cheers and good night.

    Snoozan

  15. Quoted message said:

    I don't think that you, from your premises, can conclude that

    . . . and the premises themselves don't stand up very well. This one-dimensional, hedonistic
    interpretation of food doesn't show much experience with other cuisine-related experiences or
    feelings, such as, for instance, class-consciousness.

  16. x-no-archive: yes

    Frogleg said:

    That one prefers Kraft singles and another Stilton *doesn't* mark either as intrinsically superior.

    This is one place where i have to disagree!

    Kraft singles may be better for some things than Stilton, but they are still an inferior product.

    Naomi D.

  17. Quoted message said:

    As none of the reponses refuted the statement above, but merely listed the many other exogenous
    reasons for cooking

    You didn't say you wanted it refuted, so we merely commented on its inanity.

  18. (Naomi Darvell) said:
    Frogleg said:

    That one prefers Kraft singles and another Stilton *doesn't* mark either as intrinsically
    superior.

    This is one place where i have to disagree!

    Kraft singles may be better for some things than Stilton, but they are still an inferior product.

    They are a cheaper, more readily available product. I don't have kids, but I imagine a grilled
    Stilton sandwich might not go down well with many. I have *never* bought ('though may have eaten) a
    slice of Kraft 'cheese product', and I adore Stilton. But I use Velveeta (as per the authentic
    recipe from a favorite NM Mexican restaurant) in chile con queso. Stilton isn't the desired taste,
    and aged cheddar don't melt so good. The discussion of absolutes is full of potholes. *Why* is
    assisted hamburge intrinsically awful? Aside form the salt, of course. I've seen posts about
    "homemade" green bean, mushroom soup and fried onion casserole. Why? It seems to me that making the
    effort to produce a gourmet 'copycat' acknowledges the concoction is appealing. I wouldn't want to
    dump *my* carefully prepared mushroom soup into a casserole to impress anyone with a non-can prep.

    I have a lot of problems deciding what is 'superior'. Stilton is better than Velveeta. You betcha.
    But what would the judgement be if if they were the same price and equally available? Much of
    'haute' has to do with exclusivity and price. Posh Romans were said to dine on hummingbirds'
    tongues. Because bird tongues were tastier than, oh, a lamb chop, or because they were expensive and
    difficult to obtain? Who'd choose snails if they weren't expensive and exclusive?

  19. Quoted message said:

    (Naomi Darvell) wrote:

    Frogleg said:

    That one prefers Kraft singles and another Stilton *doesn't* mark either as intrinsically
    superior.

    This is one place where i have to disagree!

    Kraft singles may be better for some things than Stilton, but they are still an inferior product.

    That's like saying canned tuna is an inferiour product compared to fresh trout... your logic
    doesn't compute.

    Actually in its catagory (cheese food product) Kraft Singles (a real cheese) is far superiour to its
    competition... and nutritionally Kraft Singles is on par with any natural cheese and superiour to
    most. And if you check the labels carefully you'll discover that most of the competion (individually
    wrapped slices) contain no dairy whatsover, they're entirely made of vegetable oil processed to look
    like cheese.

    Btw, the primary reason canned tuna is so popular is because (obviously folks like the flavor) it
    offers the best nutritional value to price (what else supplies two servings of concentrated high
    quality animal protein for a buck). And taste doesn't really enter into it, taste is subjective...
    and anyway most folks have their taste buds in their ass... they wouldn't know Stilton from Velveeta

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  20. "orion" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:
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    This weekend I cooked my butt off. Soups (Bean w/bacon); chicken stock; oatmeal cookies
    w/currents and mini choc chips; stuffed french toast w/cream cheese and grand marnier; salmon
    salad just to name a few. I freeze the soups to take to work all week. I gave most of the
    cookies away. I love to bake but don't need a large quantity of food around the house, so I
    take that to work too. I love to experiment w/different ideas and tastes and see what happens
    when I mix A with B. Throw in some C and D. And I get either a wonderful new dish, or something
    that I'll never make again. It's fun and creative and even when it's something I'll never make
    again, I still have enjoyed making it.

    Suzan

    Quoted message said:

    Sounds like good eating, Suzan! If you've never tried the stuffed French toast with orange
    marmalade swirled through the cream cheese, consider it next time. The grand marnier would still
    be a good addition!

    Wayne

    Hmmmmmmm, sounds like an idea for next weekend! I used some slightly old 3 raison bread for the
    french toast. It was very yummy. I also like using the raison bread toasted for chicken salad
    sandwiches. Sounds wierd, but tastes really good.

    Cheers and good night.

    Snoozan

    Not weird at all. I happen to like raisin bread toasted for tuna salad sandwiches. It's really good!
    The first time I ever had it was in a NYC restaurant.

    Yes, have a good night!

    Wayne

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