Widdershins, First Outing

Alan Braggins said:

Remind me, did you end up with a front derailleur post?

No, for the moment there's just the 24-spped SRAM on the back.

Quoted message said:

(Which appears to be a normal Minoura Space Grip:

That's what Helen uses. It might turn out to be the solution, but I
would prefer not to have both lights so close together.

Carol Hague and Rob at Westcountry Recumbents had a lighting system on
one of their trikes with two lights by the sides of the seat. They were
on the handlebars, I think. That't the sort of thing I have in mind.

EFR
Ile de France

"Artemisia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Alan Braggins said:

Remind me, did you end up with a front derailleur post?

No, for the moment there's just the 24-spped SRAM on the back.

Quoted message said:

(Which appears to be a normal Minoura Space Grip:

That's what Helen uses. It might turn out to be the solution, but I would
prefer not to have both lights so close together.

Should be fine. Having two on a Space Grip I find the Cateyes light up the
entire width of a single carriageway and for a goodly distance in front too.
Where I ride there's no street lighting and I find the 2 Cateye 530s to be
entirely adequate.

Quoted message said:

Carol Hague and Rob at Westcountry Recumbents had a lighting system on one
of their trikes with two lights by the sides of the seat. They were on the
handlebars, I think. That't the sort of thing I have in mind.

EFR
Ile de France

"Artemisia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Alan Braggins said:

Remind me, did you end up with a front derailleur post?

No, for the moment there's just the 24-spped SRAM on the back.

Quoted message said:

(Which appears to be a normal Minoura Space Grip:

That's what Helen uses. It might turn out to be the solution, but I would
prefer not to have both lights so close together.

Should be fine. Having two on a Space Grip I find the Cateyes light up the
entire width of a single carriageway and for a goodly distance in front too.
Where I ride there's no street lighting and I find the 2 Cateye 530s to be
entirely adequate.

Quoted message said:

Carol Hague and Rob at Westcountry Recumbents had a lighting system on one
of their trikes with two lights by the sides of the seat. They were on the
handlebars, I think. That't the sort of thing I have in mind.

EFR
Ile de France

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Bill Sornson said:

Artemisia said:

On this fair Sunday afternoon I took my new baby out for a short spin,
along a rather drab, but flat and straight, cycling path not far from
my home. We did several aller-retours, amounting to about 13 km.

First Impressions

I never noticed before how cambered a lot of streets are. I took a
short stretch of road to reach my path and I swear my right wheel was
about 6 inches lower than my left.

STEER, STEER, STEER! This is new. On Fly, I only have to look in a
direction and he reads my mind and goes there. Not so Widders. I have
to tell him _everything_. On said cambered road, he kept trying to
fall into the curb. No dear, go LEFT! Anyway, despite Carol Hague's
contention that recumbent trikes are all female, I now have no further
doubts about his gender.

snip

Widdershins is a wonderful word. I haven't seen anywhere except in the book
"Dahlgren (Samuel Delaney)", and the subject of the thread. Of course I had
to check Google and there are lots of references to widdershins, but when I
read Dahlgre it would be several years until I got my first computer and
more years until the invention of Google.

Being over here in our little corner of ARBR, this tread only appeared as a
"re:" and I have no idea about the rest of the thread, so if this comment is
redundant, I apologize in advance; Artemisa, I read your camber comment and
am wondering why you are pedaling in the right lane, against the flow of
traffic. I would expect you, being on the right coast of the big pond, to be
riding happily and safely in the left lane with your left tire somewhat
below the right one.

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"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Bill Sornson said:

Artemisia said:

On this fair Sunday afternoon I took my new baby out for a short spin,
along a rather drab, but flat and straight, cycling path not far from
my home. We did several aller-retours, amounting to about 13 km.

First Impressions

I never noticed before how cambered a lot of streets are. I took a
short stretch of road to reach my path and I swear my right wheel was
about 6 inches lower than my left.

STEER, STEER, STEER! This is new. On Fly, I only have to look in a
direction and he reads my mind and goes there. Not so Widders. I have
to tell him _everything_. On said cambered road, he kept trying to
fall into the curb. No dear, go LEFT! Anyway, despite Carol Hague's
contention that recumbent trikes are all female, I now have no further
doubts about his gender.

snip

Widdershins is a wonderful word. I haven't seen anywhere except in the book
"Dahlgren (Samuel Delaney)", and the subject of the thread. Of course I had
to check Google and there are lots of references to widdershins, but when I
read Dahlgre it would be several years until I got my first computer and
more years until the invention of Google.

Being over here in our little corner of ARBR, this tread only appeared as a
"re:" and I have no idea about the rest of the thread, so if this comment is
redundant, I apologize in advance; Artemisa, I read your camber comment and
am wondering why you are pedaling in the right lane, against the flow of
traffic. I would expect you, being on the right coast of the big pond, to be
riding happily and safely in the left lane with your left tire somewhat
below the right one.

--
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squeaker said:

This would seem to be a major pain in the bum, as I'm not aware of any
commercial adaptors that you could use to mount your 530's from there,
and IMHO a single screw attachment would not be strong / stiff enough
for the weight of two (or even one) decent battery lights. And you do
really want the lights well forward to minimise foot flash.
I suggest that you contact HPV ungently with a suitable plea for help!

I was hoping to put them next to my hips, on the beam that is
perpendicular to my body and feeds into the wheel axles. Is that a bad
place? I don't want the two lights too near each other as this cancels the
advantage of having two of them.

Have you thought about a helmet mount? You could also mount a strobe light
on the boom.

check out what others are doing for some ideas:
http://greenluck.smugmug.com/

http://greenluck.smugmug.com/gallery/424226#17012951

Also, consider BROL: www.bentrideronline.com as there are many trikers there
with similar issues.

Quoted message said:

I know the Scorpion makes provision for mounting a B&M dynamo but that is
not my choice of lighting at all...

In fact, there is precious little space on this thing, it's even worse
than an upright. Apparently one isn't allowed to put anything on the
handlebars because it could perturb steering.

Check out Greenluck's site to get some ideas.

He has a LOT of pics, so you need to carefullly click through his
night-riding journey.

"Artemisia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

squeaker said:

This would seem to be a major pain in the bum, as I'm not aware of any
commercial adaptors that you could use to mount your 530's from there,
and IMHO a single screw attachment would not be strong / stiff enough
for the weight of two (or even one) decent battery lights. And you do
really want the lights well forward to minimise foot flash.
I suggest that you contact HPV ungently with a suitable plea for help!

I was hoping to put them next to my hips, on the beam that is
perpendicular to my body and feeds into the wheel axles. Is that a bad
place? I don't want the two lights too near each other as this cancels the
advantage of having two of them.

Have you thought about a helmet mount? You could also mount a strobe light
on the boom.

check out what others are doing for some ideas:
http://greenluck.smugmug.com/

http://greenluck.smugmug.com/gallery/424226#17012951

Also, consider BROL: www.bentrideronline.com as there are many trikers there
with similar issues.

Quoted message said:

I know the Scorpion makes provision for mounting a B&M dynamo but that is
not my choice of lighting at all...

In fact, there is precious little space on this thing, it's even worse
than an upright. Apparently one isn't allowed to put anything on the
handlebars because it could perturb steering.

Check out Greenluck's site to get some ideas.

He has a LOT of pics, so you need to carefullly click through his
night-riding journey.

"gotbent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Being over here in our little corner of ARBR, this tread only appeared as
a "re:" and I have no idea about the rest of the thread, so if this
comment is redundant, I apologize in advance; Artemisa, I read your camber
comment and am wondering why you are pedaling in the right lane, against
the flow of traffic. I would expect you, being on the right coast of the
big pond, to be riding happily and safely in the left lane with your left
tire somewhat below the right one.

She may be rightpondian, but in .fr rather than .uk.

cheers,
clive

"gotbent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Being over here in our little corner of ARBR, this tread only appeared as
a "re:" and I have no idea about the rest of the thread, so if this
comment is redundant, I apologize in advance; Artemisa, I read your camber
comment and am wondering why you are pedaling in the right lane, against
the flow of traffic. I would expect you, being on the right coast of the
big pond, to be riding happily and safely in the left lane with your left
tire somewhat below the right one.

She may be rightpondian, but in .fr rather than .uk.

cheers,
clive

wafflycat' w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com said:

Should be fine. Having two on a Space Grip I find the Cateyes light up the
entire width of a single carriageway and for a goodly distance in front too.
Where I ride there's no street lighting and I find the 2 Cateye 530s to be
entirely adequate.

But where is the Space Grip mounted? On the boom or on one of the
sides? Widders has a mount on his left side but this is already almost
fully encumbered with an Airzound and wireless computer.

I'm hesitant to "borrow" lights from one of my other bikes because I
worry about offending their sensibilities. It must be a trying time
for Flyzipper right now - he has been so much my favorite. Myrtille
the oldest is very sweet and accommodating and has quite a grandiose
rechargeable halogen that she isn't using (she has a flat at the
moment and when I tried to fix it I broke the wrench before I could
get the wheel off). But with the battery pack _and_ the light that
thing is so ginormous that I wouldn't know how to rig it up.

EFR
Ile de France

wafflycat' w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com said:

Should be fine. Having two on a Space Grip I find the Cateyes light up the
entire width of a single carriageway and for a goodly distance in front too.
Where I ride there's no street lighting and I find the 2 Cateye 530s to be
entirely adequate.

But where is the Space Grip mounted? On the boom or on one of the
sides? Widders has a mount on his left side but this is already almost
fully encumbered with an Airzound and wireless computer.

I'm hesitant to "borrow" lights from one of my other bikes because I
worry about offending their sensibilities. It must be a trying time
for Flyzipper right now - he has been so much my favorite. Myrtille
the oldest is very sweet and accommodating and has quite a grandiose
rechargeable halogen that she isn't using (she has a flat at the
moment and when I tried to fix it I broke the wrench before I could
get the wheel off). But with the battery pack _and_ the light that
thing is so ginormous that I wouldn't know how to rig it up.

EFR
Ile de France

Roger Zoul said:

Have you thought about a helmet mount? You could also mount a strobe light
on the boom.

Helmet mount could be an idea if I can use two with the EL530s. Only
it was such a delicious sensation the other day to be riding, for the
first time in my life, _without_ a helmet!

Quoted message said:

Check out Greenluck's site to get some ideas.

Thanks for all the links. I will indeed check them out.

EFR
Ile de France

Roger Zoul said:

Have you thought about a helmet mount? You could also mount a strobe light
on the boom.

Helmet mount could be an idea if I can use two with the EL530s. Only
it was such a delicious sensation the other day to be riding, for the
first time in my life, _without_ a helmet!

Quoted message said:

Check out Greenluck's site to get some ideas.

Thanks for all the links. I will indeed check them out.

EFR
Ile de France

gotbent said:

Widdershins is a wonderful word. I haven't seen anywhere except in the book
"Dahlgren (Samuel Delaney)", and the subject of the thread. Of course I had
to check Google and there are lots of references to widdershins, but when I
read Dahlgre it would be several years until I got my first computer and
more years until the invention of Google.

The term crops up a lot in Terry Pratchett's "Discworld" series, which
is highly popular for a good reason. I'd ignored the series at first as
I don't really "do" fantasy literature, but it's proof that a good book
is a good book and having been given "Mort" to read on a washout day
have been hooked ever since.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

gotbent said:

Widdershins is a wonderful word. I haven't seen anywhere except in the book
"Dahlgren (Samuel Delaney)", and the subject of the thread. Of course I had
to check Google and there are lots of references to widdershins, but when I
read Dahlgre it would be several years until I got my first computer and
more years until the invention of Google.

The term crops up a lot in Terry Pratchett's "Discworld" series, which
is highly popular for a good reason. I'd ignored the series at first as
I don't really "do" fantasy literature, but it's proof that a good book
is a good book and having been given "Mort" to read on a washout day
have been hooked ever since.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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wafflycat' w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com said:

Quoted message said:

Should be fine. Having two on a Space Grip I find the Cateyes light up
the
entire width of a single carriageway and for a goodly distance in front
too.
Where I ride there's no street lighting and I find the 2 Cateye 530s to
be
entirely adequate.

But where is the Space Grip mounted? On the boom or on one of the
sides? Widders has a mount on his left side but this is already almost
fully encumbered with an Airzound and wireless computer.

On the Ice T, at the front of the boom where the crankset is, is a vertical
bit of tubing which just happens to be the idea size to affix a Minoura
space grip to. Just so happens that the Space Grip is an ideal width for
fixing two lights to without having any contact with feet, so I can pedal
along in comfort and with lights pointing ahead. If you have a look at the
pics on the ICE web site, you'll see what I mean about the sticking-up bit
http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/

Quoted message said:

I'm hesitant to "borrow" lights from one of my other bikes because I
worry about offending their sensibilities. It must be a trying time
for Flyzipper right now - he has been so much my favorite. Myrtille
the oldest is very sweet and accommodating and has quite a grandiose
rechargeable halogen that she isn't using (she has a flat at the
moment and when I tried to fix it I broke the wrench before I could
get the wheel off). But with the battery pack _and_ the light that
thing is so ginormous that I wouldn't know how to rig it up.

It's easy to buy extra mounts for the Cateye lights - so you just lift the
light off one bike & place it on the other, as each bike has its own mounts
left on it.

Quoted message said:

EFR
Ile de France

"Artemisia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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wafflycat' w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com said:

Quoted message said:

Should be fine. Having two on a Space Grip I find the Cateyes light up
the
entire width of a single carriageway and for a goodly distance in front
too.
Where I ride there's no street lighting and I find the 2 Cateye 530s to
be
entirely adequate.

But where is the Space Grip mounted? On the boom or on one of the
sides? Widders has a mount on his left side but this is already almost
fully encumbered with an Airzound and wireless computer.

On the Ice T, at the front of the boom where the crankset is, is a vertical
bit of tubing which just happens to be the idea size to affix a Minoura
space grip to. Just so happens that the Space Grip is an ideal width for
fixing two lights to without having any contact with feet, so I can pedal
along in comfort and with lights pointing ahead. If you have a look at the
pics on the ICE web site, you'll see what I mean about the sticking-up bit
http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/

Quoted message said:

I'm hesitant to "borrow" lights from one of my other bikes because I
worry about offending their sensibilities. It must be a trying time
for Flyzipper right now - he has been so much my favorite. Myrtille
the oldest is very sweet and accommodating and has quite a grandiose
rechargeable halogen that she isn't using (she has a flat at the
moment and when I tried to fix it I broke the wrench before I could
get the wheel off). But with the battery pack _and_ the light that
thing is so ginormous that I wouldn't know how to rig it up.

It's easy to buy extra mounts for the Cateye lights - so you just lift the
light off one bike & place it on the other, as each bike has its own mounts
left on it.

Quoted message said:

EFR
Ile de France

In article said:

Alan Braggins said:

Remind me, did you end up with a front derailleur post?

No, for the moment there's just the 24-spped SRAM on the back.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(Which appears to be a normal Minoura Space Grip:

That's what Helen uses. It might turn out to be the solution, but I
would prefer not to have both lights so close together.

I have seen a handlebar stem on an ICE derailleur post, which could
give you a "bumper" with lights as wide as you wanted if you put a
whole handlebar in it. But that doesn't help if you don't have the
derailleur post.

You probably could improvise something with a Space Grip and hose
clip around the boom, but doing it neatly would be harder. The boom
doesn't by any chance have a bottle cage mount you aren't using?

In article said:

Alan Braggins said:

Remind me, did you end up with a front derailleur post?

No, for the moment there's just the 24-spped SRAM on the back.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(Which appears to be a normal Minoura Space Grip:

That's what Helen uses. It might turn out to be the solution, but I
would prefer not to have both lights so close together.

I have seen a handlebar stem on an ICE derailleur post, which could
give you a "bumper" with lights as wide as you wanted if you put a
whole handlebar in it. But that doesn't help if you don't have the
derailleur post.

You probably could improvise something with a Space Grip and hose
clip around the boom, but doing it neatly would be harder. The boom
doesn't by any chance have a bottle cage mount you aren't using?

Artemisia said:

In fact, there is precious little space on this thing, it's even worse
than an upright. Apparently one isn't allowed to put anything on the
handlebars because it could perturb steering.

The main problem with lights on underseat bars would be (a) they
restrict the steering lock or (b) will be invisible to points they need
to be seen from.

In either case you can discover whether they're problems with a bit of
experimentation. Put the lights on, see if you can still steer
effectively (you don't even have to be moving). Look at the trike from
all angles at the front and see if you can see them well (preferably
with someone sat in the seat, so you can see if the rider obscures
them). if the answer to both is yes then they'll be fine, otherwise
it's back to the drawing board.

For a Space Grip source another boom with a derailleur post (Phil Cook
actually suggested asking for one specifically for this job back in
August when you were asking where the lights might go...).

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/