wind cancels race

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

I don't know. My club cancelled a race a few years ago due to fog.
And the same day another event in the US was cancelled due to
lightning.

I've seen races delayed or interrupted due to wind knocking down trees
or powerlines.

Long, long ago we had a race cancelled near San Angelo or some other
place in West Texas due to a sand storm. Everybody pulled into a large
barn and stayed the duration. Would have been a great time to plan to
repaint a frame afterwards - just leave it outside.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

I don't know. My club cancelled a race a few years ago due to fog.
And the same day another event in the US was cancelled due to
lightning.

And I cancelled one due to lightning once. Standing next to a camera
mounted to an aluminum ladder figured largely in my calculations. The
rain was pretty heavy - Bobby Phillips made some rather unkind remarks
when he finished the last lap and waded over to the start finish.
Bobby wasn't so tall, which was the real reason it was neck deep...

In our defense, we did have an announcement before hand that pretty
much said to consider the first lightning strike as the finish bell.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

RicodJour said:

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

"Steven Bornfeld" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On 8 Mar 2007 11:36:04 -0800, "bjorn" <[email hidden]>
> wrote:
>> I have heard of stages shortened/canceled du to snow. Has it ever
>> happened due to wind before?
>> http://www.cyclingpost.com/other/article_004338.shtml
> I don't know. My club cancelled a race a few years ago due to fog.
> And the same day another event in the US was cancelled due to
> lightning.
> I've seen races delayed or interrupted due to wind knocking down trees
> or powerlines.
Sissies! ;-)
http://personal3.iddeo.es/ferpuig/gavia.jpg

You know, the latest Rivendell Reader has an interview with Andy Hampsten
and in it he mentions that there was a car mostly up the Gavia with long
pants and winter clothing. Strange, I don't remember that.

Also in Bobke, Bob Roll said that he was handed a jacket and told to catch
Andy and give it to him. Roll actually caught Hampsten and passed the jacket
on. Roll was also one of the very few to actually finish that stage.

It would be nice if someone would print exactly what really happened.

Roll was there and was quite specific - mentioned that Hampsten was
shocked to see him back up at the front with the clothing. Don't see
why it has to be an either/or situation. Maybe the car with winter
clothing was an entrepreneur trying to make a few bucks.

On a nauseating note: http://www.biztactics.com/bullet-rivendell-bikes.php

R

I used to see a guy riding a Rivendell here in Prospect Park. Very
nice frame. Don't remember what tubeset, but it was very pretty. It
may have been almost 20 years ago.
Strange to see a website purporting to know about business that seems
to have no idea what bicycles cost.

Steve

RicodJour said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

"RicodJour" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On a nauseating note: http://www.biztactics.com/bullet-rivendell-bikes.php

Quoted message said:

In what way? Because they sell nice bikes to a small number of
customers? I can't wait to hear what you have to say about that jerk
Richard Sachs...

Quoted message said:

I think that biztactics interpretation of the Rivendell business model
is a bit tendentious.

Quoted message said:

I'm not in the market for a Rivendell (my biggest objection being that,
well, I bought a 20-year-old steel Miyata tourer last year, and it only
cost $20), but I do understand what is in it for the buyers. And it's
not just scarcity.

Quoted message said:

Actually, that biztactics stuff is pretty interesting.

I didn't poke around on the biztactics site. I just ran across the
article on Rivendell and thought, as you noted, that it was a very
slanted view. Frankly, I don't know enough about Rivendell to know
how they stoke demand. The first couple of paragraphs contain enough
inanity to pretty much dismiss the author's viewpoint. A $1300
bike?! Omigawd!!!

I'm surprised you think Richard Sachs is a jerk... {ducking} 😉

R- Hide quoted text -

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Richie's a real agitator.
Bill C

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RicodJour said:

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

"Steven Bornfeld" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On 8 Mar 2007 11:36:04 -0800, "bjorn" <[email hidden]>
> wrote:

Quoted message said:

>> I have heard of stages shortened/canceled du to snow. Has it ever
>> happened due to wind before?

Quoted message said:

>>http://www.cyclingpost.com/other/article_004338.shtml

Quoted message said:

> I don't know. My club cancelled a race a few years ago due to fog.
> And the same day another event in the US was cancelled due to
> lightning.

Quoted message said:

> I've seen races delayed or interrupted due to wind knocking down trees
> or powerlines.

Quoted message said:

Sissies! ;-)

Quoted message said:

http://personal3.iddeo.es/ferpuig/gavia.jpg

You know, the latest Rivendell Reader has an interview with Andy Hampsten
and in it he mentions that there was a car mostly up the Gavia with long
pants and winter clothing. Strange, I don't remember that.

Also in Bobke, Bob Roll said that he was handed a jacket and told to catch
Andy and give it to him. Roll actually caught Hampsten and passed the jacket
on. Roll was also one of the very few to actually finish that stage.

It would be nice if someone would print exactly what really happened.

Roll was there and was quite specific - mentioned that Hampsten was
shocked to see him back up at the front with the clothing. Don't see
why it has to be an either/or situation. Maybe the car with winter
clothing was an entrepreneur trying to make a few bucks.

On a nauseating note: http://www.biztactics.com/bullet-rivendell-bikes.php

$1300 is a fair price for a well made bicycle.
Never heard that R reneged on a guarantee.

Steven Bornfeld said:

I used to see a guy riding a Rivendell here in Prospect Park. Very
nice frame. Don't remember what tubeset, but it was very pretty. It
may have been almost 20 years ago.
Strange to see a website purporting to know about business that seems
to have no idea what bicycles cost.

A guy names Chuck Damsky was riding one for year, up until a year or
two ago. He's on a Waterford now.

I buy stuff from Rivendell occassionally (most recently this week --
thoug the stuff hasn't arrived), but find their schtick tiresome most
of the time, and wrong some of the time.
--
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Bill C said:

Richie's a real agitator.

I wonder if that's where Obree got the idea to use washing
machine parts to build bikes.

Bob Schwartz

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Steven Bornfeld said:

I used to see a guy riding a Rivendell here in Prospect Park. Very
nice frame. Don't remember what tubeset, but it was very pretty. It
may have been almost 20 years ago.
Strange to see a website purporting to know about business that seems
to have no idea what bicycles cost.

A guy names Chuck Damsky was riding one for year, up until a year or
two ago. He's on a Waterford now.

I buy stuff from Rivendell occassionally (most recently this week --
thoug the stuff hasn't arrived), but find their schtick tiresome most
of the time, and wrong some of the time.

Ya know, it wasn't Chuck I was thinking of (though I've known him for
years)--didn't even remember what he rode. I don't read the magazines
anymore, so I don't know the schtick.

Steve

RicodJour said:

bjorn said:

I have heard of stages shortened/canceled du to snow. Has it ever
happened due to wind before?

I'm sure it's happened, but I've never heard of it. Benjo will
probably be able to list the instances, wind speeds and directions.

Quoted message said:

http://www.cyclingpost.com/other/article_004338.shtml

Quoted message said:

From that article:

"The money which would be awarded to the stage winner will now be
given to the family of Isaac Gálvez Lopez, who died after a crash at
the Ghent six-day last year."

Kudos to the g(h)ent(s) that came up with that idea!

R

Yeah, it's easy to give away other people's money and make it appear
it's your own altruism. The fact is that money was for the riders and
teams, not for the promoter to give away for whatever reason he wanted.

The riders did not cancel the stage, therefore the money should have
been put back into the race and not taken from the racers.

This isn't generosity; this is stealing from riders to pay another
rider's family to make the person who's doing the stealing look good.

Magilla

In article <[email hidden]>,

e-RICHIE said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

RicodJour said:

On Mar 8, 11:21 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "Steven Bornfeld" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

>news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

> > John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >> On 8 Mar 2007 11:36:04 -0800, "bjorn" <[email hidden]>
> >> wrote:
> >http://personal3.iddeo.es/ferpuig/gavia.jpg

Quoted message said:

> You know, the latest Rivendell Reader has an interview with Andy
> Hampsten
> and in it he mentions that there was a car mostly up the Gavia with
> long
> pants and winter clothing. Strange, I don't remember that.

Quoted message said:

> Also in Bobke, Bob Roll said that he was handed a jacket and told to
> catch
> Andy and give it to him. Roll actually caught Hampsten and passed the
> jacket
> on. Roll was also one of the very few to actually finish that stage.

Quoted message said:

> It would be nice if someone would print exactly what really happened.

Quoted message said:

Roll was there and was quite specific - mentioned that Hampsten was
shocked to see him back up at the front with the clothing. Don't see
why it has to be an either/or situation. Maybe the car with winter
clothing was an entrepreneur trying to make a few bucks.

Quoted message said:

On a nauseating note:
http://www.biztactics.com/bullet-rivendell-bikes.php

In what way? Because they sell nice bikes to a small number of
customers? I can't wait to hear what you have to say about that jerkRichard
Sachs...

wtf did i do to get under your skin?
e-RICHIE???

I'm just mad you don't make carbon fibre bikes that cost $300/frame in
quantities of 10.

I'm virtually certain you know I'm kidding. But on the 1% chance that my
sarcasm was too inept, I should say I was kidding, and just using you as
an example of a small shop with even scarcer, pricier frames than
Rivendell...

"A signed order form along with a $400, non-refundable and
non-transferable deposit is due to confirm your order.

This deposit secures your position on the wait list. Due to the current
lead time, I cannot quote a final sales price. The current base price
for frames now being delivered is $3400. Once a place in line is secured
with a deposit, no further monies are due until frames and bicycles are
assembled."

I mean, seriously, you know demand is high when you can ask for those
kinds of terms. (And I think Cyclingnews just quoted a 4-year waiting
list for a Sachs bike).

And I swear I'm not going to do anything rude like make a Noka
Chocolates joke.

Hm. Let's look at my to-do list:

1) prepare bike for race on Saturday
2) revise club website
3) help buddy with child-size CX project
4) annoy one of the most talented and famous framebuilders on the planet

Done. It's Bailey's time!

Because Sacha White doesn't read rbr,

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

On 3/9/07 8:53 PM, in article [email hidden],

MagillaGorilla said:

RicodJour said:

bjorn said:

I have heard of stages shortened/canceled du to snow. Has it ever
happened due to wind before?

I'm sure it's happened, but I've never heard of it. Benjo will
probably be able to list the instances, wind speeds and directions.

Quoted message said:

http://www.cyclingpost.com/other/article_004338.shtml

Quoted message said:

From that article:

"The money which would be awarded to the stage winner will now be
given to the family of Isaac Gálvez Lopez, who died after a crash at
the Ghent six-day last year."

Kudos to the g(h)ent(s) that came up with that idea!

R

Yeah, it's easy to give away other people's money and make it appear
it's your own altruism. The fact is that money was for the riders and
teams, not for the promoter to give away for whatever reason he wanted.

The riders did not cancel the stage, therefore the money should have
been put back into the race and not taken from the racers.

This isn't generosity; this is stealing from riders to pay another
rider's family to make the person who's doing the stealing look good.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/mar07/mar09news

"In the place of what should have been a decisive stage, the riders rode
only the last ten kilometres into Fortuna, crossing the finishing line
together with no change in the overall classification. The riders decided to
give the stage's prize money Isaac Gálvez¹ family, the Caisse d¹Epargne
rider who died last November during the Gent Six Day in Belgium."

So who is stealing from the riders?

--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
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ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot flahute dot com [foreword] slash

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

e-RICHIE said:

On Mar 9, 3:03 am, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I can't wait to hear what you have to say about that jerkRichard
Sachs...

Quoted message said:

wtf did i do to get under your skin?
e-RICHIE???

I'm just mad you don't make carbon fibre bikes that cost $300/frame in
quantities of 10.

I'm virtually certain you know I'm kidding. But on the 1% chance that my
sarcasm was too inept, I should say I was kidding, and just using you as
an example of a small shop with even scarcer, pricier frames than
Rivendell...

"A signed order form along with a $400, non-refundable and
non-transferable deposit is due to confirm your order.

This deposit secures your position on the wait list. Due to the current
lead time, I cannot quote a final sales price. The current base price
for frames now being delivered is $3400. Once a place in line is secured
with a deposit, no further monies are due until frames and bicycles are
assembled."

I mean, seriously, you know demand is high when you can ask for those
kinds of terms. (And I think Cyclingnews just quoted a 4-year waiting
list for a Sachs bike).

And I swear I'm not going to do anything rude like make a Noka
Chocolates joke.

Hm. Let's look at my to-do list:

1) prepare bike for race on Saturday
2) revise club website
3) help buddy with child-size CX project
4) annoy one of the most talented and famous framebuilders on the planet

Done. It's Bailey's time!

Because Sacha White doesn't read rbr,

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden]://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

no worries ryan -
i was kidding back at. wrt my terms of business page, i mined
most of it from a fellow who's turned out to be a bit of a muse:
http://walkerguitars.com/ordering.htm

but back to the issue at hand, from what i read here:
http://www.sprout.nl/column.jsp?id=442207
(scroll down to "PASSION"😉, the author says,
"...my guess he's earning a half million dollars per year...".

so. there ya' have it. it's online, so it must be true atmo.
e-RICHIE©™®

"e-RICHIE" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Ryan Cousineau said:

but back to the issue at hand, from what i read here:
http://www.sprout.nl/column.jsp?id=442207
(scroll down to "PASSION"😉, the author says,
"...my guess he's earning a half million dollars per year...".

so. there ya' have it. it's online, so it must be true atmo.
e-RICHIE©T®

I wonder if anyone would bother to notice how much money he would have to
make off of each frame to garner an income like that from his business? I've
always thought that Richard was really out-standing for actually sponsoring
some cyclocross racers. But then, having worked in the motorcycle business
back when their income was about the same as a good bicycle business does
these days I'm aware of just how close the profit margins really are.

e-RICHIE said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

e-RICHIE said:

On Mar 9, 3:03 am, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I can't wait to hear what you have to say about that jerkRichard
> Sachs...
wtf did i do to get under your skin?
e-RICHIE???

I'm just mad you don't make carbon fibre bikes that cost $300/frame in
quantities of 10.

I'm virtually certain you know I'm kidding. But on the 1% chance that my
sarcasm was too inept, I should say I was kidding, and just using you as
an example of a small shop with even scarcer, pricier frames than
Rivendell...

"A signed order form along with a $400, non-refundable and
non-transferable deposit is due to confirm your order.

This deposit secures your position on the wait list. Due to the current
lead time, I cannot quote a final sales price. The current base price
for frames now being delivered is $3400. Once a place in line is secured
with a deposit, no further monies are due until frames and bicycles are
assembled."

I mean, seriously, you know demand is high when you can ask for those
kinds of terms. (And I think Cyclingnews just quoted a 4-year waiting
list for a Sachs bike).

And I swear I'm not going to do anything rude like make a Noka
Chocolates joke.

Hm. Let's look at my to-do list:

1) prepare bike for race on Saturday
2) revise club website
3) help buddy with child-size CX project
4) annoy one of the most talented and famous framebuilders on the planet

Done. It's Bailey's time!

Because Sacha White doesn't read rbr,

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden]://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

no worries ryan -
i was kidding back at. wrt my terms of business page, i mined
most of it from a fellow who's turned out to be a bit of a muse:
http://walkerguitars.com/ordering.htm

Some pretty damned gorgeous guitars--esp. the archtops. Surprised I
haven't heard more of him.

Steve

Quoted message said:

but back to the issue at hand, from what i read here:
http://www.sprout.nl/column.jsp?id=442207
(scroll down to "PASSION"😉, the author says,
"...my guess he's earning a half million dollars per year...".

so. there ya' have it. it's online, so it must be true atmo.
e-RICHIE©™®

In article <[email hidden]>,

e-RICHIE said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In what way? Because they sell nice bikes to a small number of
customers? I can't wait to hear what you have to say about that jerk
Richard Sachs...

______________

wtf did i do to get under your skin?

I see you have your Blackberry set to "stun", just like LANCE.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

"e-RICHIE" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Ryan Cousineau said:

but back to the issue at hand, from what i read here:
http://www.sprout.nl/column.jsp?id=442207
(scroll down to "PASSION"😉, the author says,
"...my guess he's earning a half million dollars per year...".

so. there ya' have it. it's online, so it must be true atmo.
e-RICHIE©T®

I wonder if anyone would bother to notice how much money he would have to
make off of each frame to garner an income like that from his business? I've
always thought that Richard was really out-standing for actually sponsoring
some cyclocross racers. But then, having worked in the motorcycle business
back when their income was about the same as a good bicycle business does
these days I'm aware of just how close the profit margins really are.

Well, I totally intend to spread the legend of e-RICHIE's vast money
vaults far and wide, but let's check that Sprout column.

Assuming the article's 2 frames/week is correct, let's just go and guess
that it's about 100 frames per year (in my model, Richie gets two weeks
off). The website says the starting price is $3400 for a frame now.

Now in fairness, to the Sprout guy, I bet that Richard makes just about
the best profit margins the frame-making business has to offer. I'm
guessing that because he can't make it up on volume, and because, well,
he has a two-year backlog of demand to help him when it comes time to
set prices.

I may be wrong.

I'm not gonna push out any explicit figures here, since it gets
embarrassingly close to asking Mr. Sachs what he makes, and my momma
raised me better than that. But note that the Sprout estimated earnings
seem to assume that Sachs Bikes makes about as much money out of the
Sachstoys catalog as it does out of building bikes.

This is actually a reasonable revenue model! As the biz thingy pointed
out, that's roughly the business model of Rivendell. Harley-Davidson is
another organization that is substantially floated by its merchandising
and accessories business.

No, seriously. I bet the marginal value for Richard Sachs Cycles is to
leverage the brand value by making more cool RICHIE-ISSIMO t-shirt
designs. The trick is to do that while making sure that the core product
that adds value to the brand (the, er, bike frames) is still kept in top
shape (in other words, you have to keep Richard in the shop building
frames at just the right rate and quality level).

Also, for obvious reasons, I'd like to propose a private-label Sachs
beer.

Having solved all of Richie's business problems, I will next suggest
some new frame geometry angles and some great ideas on brazing
techniques.

Knowledge just gets in the way of a good consultant,

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

Ryan Cousineau said:

Now in fairness, to the Sprout guy, I bet that Richard makes just about
the best profit margins the frame-making business has to offer. I'm
guessing that because he can't make it up on volume, and because, well,
he has a two-year backlog of demand to help him when it comes time to
set prices.

You mean he's going to be sponsoring the LIVEDRUNK pro-tour team ?