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  1. Me and CrapBike are off to That London tomorrow. First time
    cycling in London. I have pored over my map and have my
    route worked out, mainly via the yellow 'quiet' roads. I am
    leaving plenty of time to get lost, as my knowledge of
    London's over ground geography is poor.

    CrapBike's Mysterious Knocking Noise has been improved, if
    not cured. Turns out the problem is with my hub, probably
    due to a combination of my mumble mumble stones with cheapo
    wheel. My bike maintenance tutor has adjusted it to as good
    as it is going to get, so it will keep me going for now.
    Thanks again to everyone here who offered loads of help with
    trying to sort it.

    Audrey

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  2. On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 22:55:06 +0100, audrey <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    Me and CrapBike are off to That London tomorrow. First time
    cycling in London.

    Good luck :-)

    Navigating is the bugger for me, there are always four times
    as many junctions as there should reasonably exist, and 1"
    on the map corresponds to about 4 yards on the ground.

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after
    posting. chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at
    Washington University

  3. audrey said:

    Me and CrapBike are off to That London tomorrow. First
    time cycling in London. I have pored over my map and have
    my route worked out, mainly via the yellow 'quiet' roads.
    I am leaving plenty of time to get lost, as my knowledge
    of London's over ground geography is poor.

    CrapBike's Mysterious Knocking Noise has been improved, if
    not cured. Turns out the problem is with my hub, probably
    due to a combination of my mumble mumble stones with
    cheapo wheel. My bike maintenance tutor has adjusted it to
    as good as it is going to get, so it will keep me going
    for now. Thanks again to everyone here who offered loads
    of help with trying to sort it.

    Audrey

    <Native Dialect> Ee lass, tha' mun look out fo' thysen dahn
    theer. </Native Dialect>

    All the best with your foray into The Big Smoke. Keep your
    eye on the cheapo wheel and watch out for the traffic too.

    --
    Terry Duckmanton.

    homepage.ntlworld.comterry.duckmanton A website
    mostly dedicated to cycling

  4. "audrey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Me and CrapBike are off to That London tomorrow. First
    time cycling in London. I have pored over my map and have
    my route worked out, mainly via the yellow 'quiet' roads.
    I am leaving plenty of time to get lost, as my knowledge
    of London's over ground geography is poor.

    CrapBike's Mysterious Knocking Noise has been improved, if
    not cured. Turns out the problem is with my hub, probably
    due to a combination of my mumble mumble stones with
    cheapo wheel. My bike maintenance tutor has adjusted it to
    as good as it is going to get, so it will keep me going
    for now. Thanks again to everyone here who offered loads
    of help with trying to sort it.

    Audrey

    If you don't feel comfortable at any point, pull over and
    regain composure. If you think you're lost ... keep going
    for a few minutes and probably pick up the route again.
    Enjoy, but be aware at all times. Leave the walkman off for
    a little while 😉

  5. "Terry D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    audrey said:

    Me and CrapBike are off to That London tomorrow. First
    time cycling in London. I have pored over my map and
    have my route worked out, mainly via the yellow 'quiet'
    roads. I am leaving plenty of time to get lost, as my
    knowledge of London's over ground geography is poor.

    CrapBike's Mysterious Knocking Noise has been improved,
    if not cured. Turns out the problem is with my hub,
    probably due to a combination of my mumble mumble stones
    with cheapo wheel. My bike maintenance tutor has
    adjusted it to as good as it is going to get, so it will
    keep me going for now. Thanks again to everyone here who
    offered loads of help with trying to sort it.

    Audrey

    homepage.ntlworld.comterry.duckmanton

    I never knew Guildford was an hour ahead of the rest of us
    😉

  6. "audrey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Me and CrapBike are off to That London tomorrow. First
    time cycling in London. I have pored over my map and have
    my route worked out, mainly via the yellow 'quiet' roads.
    I am leaving plenty of time to get lost, as my knowledge
    of London's over ground geography is poor.

    For all its faults, I think London is a great place for
    cyclists. There are quite a lot of us, and we often move
    faster than the motor traffic. I don't think we're regarded
    as such an oddity or with such contempt by other road users
    as we are in some other places. I like cycling here, at
    least as cycling in cities goes. In fact, I've always felt
    safer in inner city traffic than on country lanes!

    Rich

  7. Richard Goodman said:

    always felt safer in inner city traffic than on
    country lanes!

    (!)

    I live in London. It's dangerous enough as a pedestrian
    trying to cross the road due to stupid and lazy drivers
    (e.g. don't indicate when turning) but in a bike you'd need
    nerves of some sort of strong metal to ride regularly there.
    Only last month, I saw some guy in a road bike get hit when
    a moronic driver didn't look as he was getting out of his
    car. The guy didn't seem to badly hurt but his bike was
    completely trashed.

  8. audrey:

    Quoted message said:

    Me and CrapBike are off to That London tomorrow.

    I hope the weather is better for you than it was for me
    today - I got Seriously Soaked today just off Great Portland
    Street by a van driving through a small lake while I was
    waiting to come out of a side turning. Fortunately, I was
    fully waterproofed - but it was still No Fun!

    Good luck!

    d.

  9. Burning_Ranger said:
    Richard Goodman said:

    always felt safer in inner city traffic than on
    country lanes!

    (!)

    I live in London. It's dangerous enough as a pedestrian
    trying to cross the road due to stupid and lazy drivers
    (e.g. don't indicate when turning) but in a bike you'd
    need nerves of some sort of strong metal to ride regularly
    there. Only last month, I saw some guy in a road bike get
    hit when a moronic driver didn't look as he was getting
    out of his car. The guy didn't seem to badly hurt but his
    bike was completely trashed.

    If you are having trouble as a pedestrian I can see you
    would have trouble as a cyclist too. Personally I have no
    problems cycling in London and unlike many cities there are
    so many cyclists around, motorists know to expect them.
    Since congestion charging there are plenty of quiet back
    streets you can follow if you want although they are better
    if you know where you are going or you end up consulting the
    map at every junction.

    Tony

  10. Just zis Guy said:

    Navigating is the bugger for me, there are always four
    times as many junctions as there should reasonably
    exist, and 1" on the map corresponds to about 4 yards on
    the ground.

    It's easy when you know how, as long as you don't have to
    venture far south of the river. There's big white spaces on
    the map beyond the Elephant, with "here be dragons" writ
    thereupon...

    --

    Dave Larrington - legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uklegslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk
    ===========================================================
    Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
    bhpc.org.ukbhpc.org.uk
    ===========================================================

  11. "Burning_Ranger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Richard Goodman said:

    always felt safer in inner city traffic than on country
    lanes!

    (!)

    I live in London. It's dangerous enough as a pedestrian
    trying to cross


    the

    Quoted message said:

    road due to stupid and lazy drivers (e.g. don't indicate
    when turning) but in a bike you'd need nerves of some sort
    of strong metal to ride regularly there. Only last month,
    I saw some guy in a road bike get hit when a


    moronic

    Quoted message said:

    driver didn't look as he was getting out of his car. The
    guy didn't seem


    to

    Quoted message said:

    badly hurt but his bike was completely trashed.

    Yes, a good warning .. be aware of pedestrians, as they are
    more likely to cross the road without checking (just using
    their hearing and a quick glance after they step onto the
    road). I have no problems cycling around London, but roads
    such as the A4 aren't a lot of fun.

  12. Burning_Ranger said:
    Richard Goodman said:

    always felt safer in inner city traffic than on
    country lanes!

    (!)

    I live in London. It's dangerous enough as a pedestrian
    trying to cross the road due to stupid and lazy drivers
    (e.g. don't indicate when turning) but in a bike you'd
    need nerves of some sort of strong metal to ride regularly
    there. Only last month, I saw some guy in a road bike get
    hit when a moronic driver didn't look as he was getting
    out of his car. The guy didn't seem to badly hurt but his
    bike was completely trashed.


    I drive, cycle and walk in London. I don't have any problems
    crossing roads on foot - there are plenty of safe Pelican
    and Toucan crossings.

    I find cycling in London easy and fast as you are usually
    going around the speed of the surrounding traffic. While you
    do need to be alert to the constantly changing situation
    (which takes a bit of practice) and need to stay alert I,
    and I guess a lot of other London cyclists, find that part
    of the fun.

    BTW: It often takes two to make an accident. Drivers will
    often not notice cyclists, especially if they are small,
    fast moving and changing lanes. Most surviving urban
    cyclists are well aware of the danger of opening car doors
    and if you are in the primary riding position (another plug
    for Cyclecraft!) and alert you should live to tell the tale.

    Cheers

    Jules

  13. "Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    It's easy when you know how, as long as you don't have to
    venture far


    south

    Quoted message said:

    of the river. There's big white spaces on the map beyond
    the Elephant,


    with

    Quoted message said:

    "here be dragons" writ thereupon...

    Wot -- in Surrey?

  14. Quoted message said:

    Me and CrapBike are off to That London tomorrow. First time
    cycling in London.

    Best of luck. I hope it turns out to be an enjoyable
    experience.

    Cheers, helen s

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    correct one remove fame & fortune
    h*$el*$$e*nd**$o$ts**i*$*$m*m$o*n*s@$*a$o*l.c**$om$

    --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel
    is switched off--

  15. elyob said:


    I never knew Guildford was an hour ahead of the rest
    of us 😉

    It isn't. I seem to have invented time travel. Oo wee oooo,
    diggedy bum, diggedy bum, diggedy bum, diggedy bum.

    Terry Time-Lord Duckmanton

  16. "Burning_Ranger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Richard Goodman said:

    always felt safer in inner city traffic than on country
    lanes!

    (!)

    I live in London. It's dangerous enough as a pedestrian
    trying to cross


    the

    Quoted message said:

    road due to stupid and lazy drivers (e.g. don't indicate
    when turning) but in a bike you'd need nerves of some sort
    of strong metal to ride regularly there. Only last month,
    I saw some guy in a road bike get hit when a


    moronic

    Quoted message said:

    driver didn't look as he was getting out of his car. The
    guy didn't seem


    to

    Quoted message said:

    badly hurt but his bike was completely trashed.

    So you would take one incident and use that to draw general
    conclusions on a matter in which you clearly, from another
    posting, have little experience. Yes, accidents do happen,
    but remember:

    - in inner London's heavy traffic speeds, are generally low
    - the relative difference in speed between bikes and cars is
    also generally small
    - traffic is often forced to travel at a speed which
    means it can stop within the distance it can see to be
    clear ahead.
    - the above factors mean it is generally not so difficult to
    negotiate your way with other traffic, and in the event of
    any accident, there is at least some chance it will be
    survivable.
    - good roadcraft minimises the risk of accident. 'Accidents'
    are often not simply the result of random chance, and to a
    large extent - possibly larger than on the open road - are
    within your power to prevent.

    Country lanes, on the other hand, may seem to be quiet -
    until you encounter motor traffic travelling at or above the
    national speed limit along roads which are barely wide
    enough for two cars to pass in opposite directions, around
    bends with sight lines obscured by hedges, traffic pulling
    at speed out of intersections with similarly restricted
    sight lines having only checked for motor-vehicle sized
    conflicting traffic etc.

    As others have said, buy the Highway Code and Cyclecraft.
    The only thing to be aware of is that in London the Highway
    Code is modified slightly: for motor traffic, green means
    'go', orange means 'go', red means 'go as long as the car in
    front is still going'; for cyclists green means 'go with
    caution', orange means 'go with caution', and red means
    'treat as a give-way sign and go when the way is clear'; for
    peds green, orange and red all mean 'cross - so long as the
    motor traffic is stuck in a queue, and don't bother looking
    out for cyclists who aren't stuck because they have to look
    out for you' 😉.

    Rich

  17. Richard Goodman said:

    So you would take one incident and use that to draw
    general conclusions on a matter in which you clearly, from
    another posting, have little experience. Yes, accidents do
    happen, but remember:

    I know there are stupid pedestrians, plenty of them, and
    plenty of stupid drivers too. I wasn't drawing conclusions
    from a biker point of view, but from a pedestrian one. And
    from my (albeit limited) experience the driver(s) in the
    first case was in the wrong. Drivers are meant to indicate
    when turning on smaller roads is that not correct? (I'm not
    a driver so don't know much about it). No matter how much a
    person looks around and is careful, if a driver decides to
    make a sudden fast left turn without indication at the last
    second, there seems to be little a pedestrian can do that is
    trying to cross in a valid crossing zone. It just seems to
    me quite a few drivers in big towns are always angry about
    something or overly aggressive when driving. I'm just overly
    cautious because I intend tocycle to work, but seeing things
    like this can be quite off-putting, regardless of who's
    fault it was.

    Quoted message said:

    As others have said, buy the Highway Code and Cyclecraft.

    I've read the Highway Code and intend to get Cyclecraft. I'm
    sure I'll learn some useful things.

  18. Burning_Ranger said:

    I know there are stupid pedestrians, plenty of them, and
    plenty of stupid drivers too. I wasn't drawing conclusions
    from a biker point of view, but from a pedestrian one. And
    from my (albeit limited) experience the driver(s) in the
    first case was in the wrong. Drivers are meant to indicate
    when turning on smaller roads is that not correct? (I'm
    not a driver so don't know much about it). No matter how
    much a person looks around and is careful, if a driver
    decides to make a sudden fast left turn without indication
    at the last second, there seems to be little a pedestrian
    can do that is trying to cross in a valid crossing zone.
    It just seems to me quite a few drivers in big towns are
    always angry about something or overly aggressive when
    driving. I'm just overly cautious because I intend tocycle
    to work, but seeing things like this can be quite off-
    putting, regardless of who's fault it was.

    Not to mention all those stupid cyclists. <ducks and runs>

    Jules

  19. "Burning_Ranger" <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:
    Richard Goodman said:

    always felt safer in inner city traffic than on country
    lanes!

    Quoted message said:

    (!)

    Quoted message said:

    I live in London. It's dangerous enough as a pedestrian
    trying to cross the road due to stupid and lazy drivers
    (e.g. don't indicate when turning) but in a bike you'd
    need nerves of some sort of strong metal to ride regularly
    there. Only last month, I saw some guy in a road bike get
    hit when a moronic driver didn't look as he was getting
    out of his car. The guy didn't seem to badly hurt but his
    bike was completely trashed.

    I think Inner London, where there are lots of cyclists, is
    *much* safer than this suburban haven. There are few
    cyclists about and even fewer who don't ride on the
    pavements. Partner frequently gets abused for riding on
    the road...

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

  20. "Burning_Ranger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    [snip]

    . Only last month, I saw some guy in a road bike get hit
    when a moronic

    Quoted message said:

    driver didn't look as he was getting out of his car.

    [snip]

    Good point. Don't ride in the door zone.

    Novices usually get hit from riding too close to the kerb,
    not too far away/

    Jeremy Parker

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