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  1. Bit surprised that nobody seems concerned about the plans to return parts of
    the Highlands to the fauna which once roamed freely. Better than wind
    farms, perhaps? Tourist attraction ? Sort of home grown safari with
    attitude and bite...

    How long before we have them in the designated "Ancient Forests" in Milton
    Keynes and other parts of the home counties?! Can't see any logical reasons
    why not if they get the go ahead in the Highlands.

    --
    M Stewart
    Milton Keynes, UK
    http://www.megalith.freeserve.co.uk/oddimage.htm

  2. Malcolm Stewart said:

    Bit surprised that nobody seems concerned about the plans to return parts of
    the Highlands to the fauna which once roamed freely. Better than wind
    farms, perhaps? Tourist attraction ? Sort of home grown safari with
    attitude and bite...

    How long before we have them in the designated "Ancient Forests" in Milton
    Keynes and other parts of the home counties?! Can't see any logical reasons
    why not if they get the go ahead in the Highlands.

    And why not indeed?

    --
    Trevor Barton

  3. "Malcolm Stewart" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Bit surprised that nobody seems concerned about the plans to return parts


    of

    Quoted message said:

    the Highlands to the fauna which once roamed freely. Better than wind
    farms, perhaps? Tourist attraction ? Sort of home grown safari with
    attitude and bite...

    How long before we have them in the designated "Ancient Forests" in Milton
    Keynes and other parts of the home counties?! Can't see any logical


    reasons

    Quoted message said:

    why not if they get the go ahead in the Highlands.

    There's a debate scheduled in Parliament this afternoon on a trial
    reintroduction of the beaver in Knapdale. I'll be interested to see what
    comes of it. The minister, Lewis McDonald, was on the radio at the weekend
    being totally evasive on the question of issuing the required licence.

    --
    Duncan Gray

    www.duncolm.co.uk
    also The Mountaineering Council of Scotland
    www.mountaineering-scotland.org.uk

  4. I think it is a brilliant idea, pity they are going to contain them with a
    giant electric fence. Giving the Wolf the right to roam would certainly
    help keep the parasitic sheep and deer numbers down!

    Could be some controversy if Shena Bhraigh and the Carn Ban falls within
    the boundary and becomes off limits to the bagger!

    "Malcolm Stewart" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Bit surprised that nobody seems concerned about the plans to return parts


    of

    Quoted message said:

    the Highlands to the fauna which once roamed freely. Better than wind
    farms, perhaps? Tourist attraction ? Sort of home grown safari with
    attitude and bite...

    How long before we have them in the designated "Ancient Forests" in Milton
    Keynes and other parts of the home counties?! Can't see any logical


    reasons

    Quoted message said:

    why not if they get the go ahead in the Highlands.

    --
    M Stewart
    Milton Keynes, UK
    http://www.megalith.freeserve.co.uk/oddimage.htm

  5. In message <[email hidden]>

    Stuart said:

    I think it is a brilliant idea, pity they are going to contain them
    with a giant electric fence. Giving the Wolf the right to roam would
    certainly help keep the parasitic sheep and deer numbers down!

    It's part of a series of long term proposals (and going back some time)
    up for discussion and certainly a long way from any approval.

    As I understand it there are initially limited proposals for species
    such as the beaver, and that any proposals for species such as bear and
    wolf are a long way down the list and on the distant legal and political
    horizon, and would most likely be dependent on the outcomes of any
    possible trial introductions of species such as the beaver.

    We've seen successful introductions of species such as White-tailed Sea
    Eagle, Osprey and Red Kite, and currently there is a trial introduction
    of Great Bustards on Salisbury Plain.

    --
    o/ \\ // || ,_ o Mike Clark, "An antibody engineer who also
    <\__,\\ // __o || / /\, likes the mountains"
    "> || _`\<,_ // \\ \> | Cambridge Climbing and Caving Club
    ` || (_)/ (_) // \\ \_ <URL:http://www.path.cam.ac.uk/~mrc7/cccc/>

  6. Malcolm Stewart said:

    Bit surprised that nobody seems concerned about the plans to return parts of
    the Highlands to the fauna which once roamed freely.

    Interesting idea from a conservation pov, as long as it doesn't close
    off areas already open for public access otherwise, I could see many
    landlowners on open access land getting a pet wolf and fencing off
    their estate <g> !

    Some article here -
    <URL:http://news.scotsman.com/print.cfm?id=506572005&referringtemplate=http%3A%2F%2Fnews%2Escotsman%2Ecom%2Ffeatures%2Ecfm&referringquerystring=id%3D506572005>
    <URL:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4047891.stm>

    Daytona

  7. "Mike Clark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In message <[email hidden]>

    Stuart said:

    I think it is a brilliant idea, pity they are going to contain them
    with a giant electric fence. Giving the Wolf the right to roam would
    certainly help keep the parasitic sheep and deer numbers down!

    It's part of a series of long term proposals (and going back some time)
    up for discussion and certainly a long way from any approval.

    As I understand it there are initially limited proposals for species
    such as the beaver, and that any proposals for species such as bear and
    wolf are a long way down the list and on the distant legal and political
    horizon, and would most likely be dependent on the outcomes of any
    possible trial introductions of species such as the beaver.

    I was reffering to the Alladale proposals, which sadly only goes as far as
    fencing the estate off and turning it into a large Safari park rather than a
    wholesacle intrduction of Bears and Wolves....... pity! I would like to see
    a proper reintroduction .. No Fences

  8. sgrìobh Stuart

    Quoted message said:


    "Mike Clark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In message <[email hidden]>

    Stuart said:

    I think it is a brilliant idea, pity they are going to contain them
    with a giant electric fence. Giving the Wolf the right to roam would
    certainly help keep the parasitic sheep and deer numbers down!

    It's part of a series of long term proposals (and going back some time)
    up for discussion and certainly a long way from any approval.

    As I understand it there are initially limited proposals for species
    such as the beaver, and that any proposals for species such as bear and
    wolf are a long way down the list and on the distant legal and political
    horizon, and would most likely be dependent on the outcomes of any
    possible trial introductions of species such as the beaver.

    I was reffering to the Alladale proposals, which sadly only goes as far as
    fencing the estate off and turning it into a large Safari park rather than a
    wholesacle intrduction of Bears and Wolves....... pity! I would like to see
    a proper reintroduction .. No Fences

    Where do you live?

    --
    Lachie.
    "durian jatoh, sarong ankgat"

  9. Malcolm Stewart <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Bit surprised that nobody seems concerned about the plans to return parts of
    the Highlands to the fauna which once roamed freely. Better than wind
    farms, perhaps? Tourist attraction ? Sort of home grown safari with
    attitude and bite...

    How long before we have them in the designated "Ancient Forests" in Milton
    Keynes and other parts of the home counties?! Can't see any logical reasons
    why not if they get the go ahead in the Highlands.


    Seems like an excellent idea following the outstanding success of the
    introduction of the grey squirrel.
    --
    Gordon Harris

  10. "Lachie" <noos@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    sgrìobh Stuart

    Quoted message said:


    "Mike Clark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In message <[email hidden]>
    "Stuart" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > I think it is a brilliant idea, pity they are going to contain them
    > with a giant electric fence. Giving the Wolf the right to roam would
    > certainly help keep the parasitic sheep and deer numbers down!
    >

    It's part of a series of long term proposals (and going back some time)
    up for discussion and certainly a long way from any approval.

    As I understand it there are initially limited proposals for species
    such as the beaver, and that any proposals for species such as bear and
    wolf are a long way down the list and on the distant legal and


    political

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    horizon, and would most likely be dependent on the outcomes of any
    possible trial introductions of species such as the beaver.

    I was reffering to the Alladale proposals, which sadly only goes as far


    as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    fencing the estate off and turning it into a large Safari park rather


    than a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    wholesacle intrduction of Bears and Wolves....... pity! I would like to


    see

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a proper reintroduction .. No Fences

    Where do you live?

    --
    Lachie.
    "durian jatoh, sarong ankgat"

    I live on the boundry of a large remote hill area, and my hobby has me
    walking in all the wild areas of the highlands, sometimes wild camping by
    myself in the remotest of places, the intro duction of wolves etc would only
    add to my hobby!

  11. "Trevor Barton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Malcolm Stewart said:

    Bit surprised that nobody seems concerned about the plans to return parts
    of
    the Highlands to the fauna which once roamed freely. Better than wind
    farms, perhaps? Tourist attraction ? Sort of home grown safari with
    attitude and bite...

    How long before we have them in the designated "Ancient Forests" in
    Milton
    Keynes and other parts of the home counties?! Can't see any logical
    reasons
    why not if they get the go ahead in the Highlands.

    And why not indeed?

    Better than bloody concrete cows.

    Roy.

  12. "Roy" <roy> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    How long before we have them in the designated "Ancient Forests" in
    Milton Keynes and other parts of the home counties?! Can't see any


    logical

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    reasons why not if they get the go ahead in the Highlands.

    Quoted message said:

    Better than bloody concrete cows.
    Roy.

    Well, just in case the concrete cows were getting somewhat tired, we now
    have a scattered "herd" of colourful plastic cows in the shopping centre.
    One appears to be a close cousin to Al Capone and is complete with violin
    case.

    --
    M Stewart
    Milton Keynes, UK
    http://www.megalith.freeserve.co.uk/oddimage.htm

  13. Stuart said:

    I think it is a brilliant idea, pity they are going to contain them with a
    giant electric fence. Giving the Wolf the right to roam would certainly
    help keep the parasitic sheep and deer numbers down!

    Could be some controversy if Shena Bhraigh and the Carn Ban falls within
    the boundary and becomes off limits to the bagger!

    Is it legal to "off limits to the bagger"?

    Creag a Choin Dheirg and Glen Alladale is going to be in there.. Thats
    a worry.

    Richard Webb

  14. Apparently Yes, they designate the area as a Zoo! the area in question
    accounts for 1% of the highlands!

    AFAICT Shena Bhraigh would not be affected!

    "Richard Webb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Stuart said:

    I think it is a brilliant idea, pity they are going to contain them with


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    giant electric fence. Giving the Wolf the right to roam would certainly
    help keep the parasitic sheep and deer numbers down!

    Could be some controversy if Shena Bhraigh and the Carn Ban falls within
    the boundary and becomes off limits to the bagger!

    Is it legal to "off limits to the bagger"?

    Creag a Choin Dheirg and Glen Alladale is going to be in there.. Thats
    a worry.

    Richard Webb

  15. Stuart said:

    Apparently Yes, they designate the area as a Zoo! the area in question
    accounts for 1% of the highlands!

    It may be legal, but it would be totally unenforceable.

    S.

    --
    Stop ID cards and the Database State
    http://www.no2id.net/

  16. Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the wonderful
    person Stuart <[email hidden]> said

    Quoted message said:

    Apparently Yes, they designate the area as a Zoo! the area in question
    accounts for 1% of the highlands!

    That's going to need one heck of an electric fence. Actually it'll never
    work at all, because there'll always be =something= shorting it out.

    --
    GSV Three Minds in a Can
    Contact recommends the use of Firefox; SC recommends it at gunpoint.

  17. Malcolm said:


    In article <[email hidden]>, Simon Caldwell
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    Stuart said:

    Apparently Yes, they designate the area as a Zoo! the area in question
    accounts for 1% of the highlands!

    It may be legal, but it would be totally unenforceable.


    Not with an 8' electric fence all round it and charging for entry, as is
    proposed. It then becomes a private wildlife park and outwith the
    provisions of the access legislation, just like the Highland Wildlife
    Park or Blair Drummond.

    I think that's "unenforceable" as in "how do you patrol a 50 mile
    perimeter fence to prevent sabotage. . . . "

    Pass me the bolt cutters. . . .

    druidh

  18. GSV Three Minds in a Can said:

    Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the wonderful
    person Stuart <[email hidden]> said

    Quoted message said:

    Apparently Yes, they designate the area as a Zoo! the area in question
    accounts for 1% of the highlands!

    That's going to need one heck of an electric fence. Actually it'll never
    work at all, because there'll always be =something= shorting it out.

    And then there are the effects of heavy snowfall.. Fences in high
    places in the Highlands tend to have a hard time.

    There is some correspondance on the rhb group right now about Turlough
    Hill in the Wicklows. The summit is occupied by a fenced reservoir as
    part of a pumped storage scheme. Access to the now artificial summit
    is prevented by a high fence, except after some incidents of bad
    weather when the fence is damaged by The Great Vandal. No wild
    animals in there though

    Quote the Courier article.
    "and heck cattle, which being a good deal larger than a highland cow
    is the closest living relative of the extinct auroch."

    Would you want to pass that fence, or trust that fence to stay up?

    Get Coin Dheirg asap.

    Richard Webb

  19. On Sat, 21 May 2005 08:50:40 GMT, [email hidden] (Richard Webb) wrote:

    | Quote the Courier article.
    | "and heck cattle, which being a good deal larger than a highland cow
    | is the closest living relative of the extinct auroch."

    Aurochs were of a similar size and disposition to the African Buffalo, but
    with horns similar to a modern Longhorn. I saw one once in an African
    Game Park, the armed Askari said "That is a buffalo over there, go the
    other way.". If anyone were to back breed to an Auroch, no fence would
    hold it.

    --
    Dave Fathom <dave hyphenations co uk>
    Beware of anyone posting X-No-Archive yes,
    they must have something to hide or be ashamed of.
    Your task, should you wish to accept it, is to determine *what*.

  20. "Malcolm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    In article <[email hidden]>, GSV Three Minds in a Can
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the wonderful
    person Stuart <[email hidden]> said

    Quoted message said:

    Apparently Yes, they designate the area as a Zoo! the area in question
    accounts for 1% of the highlands!

    That's going to need one heck of an electric fence. Actually it'll
    never work at all, because there'll always be =something= shorting it
    out.


    It's amazing what you can do if you have enough money, as the owner
    seems to have, like employing enough people to patrol such a fence.

    This is the most recent article I've found:

    www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2005/03/08/featuresstory6888115t0.asp

    It looks like any attempt to bring in wolves would be strangled by
    bureaucracy.
    The Executive appear to be scared to issue a licence even for a controlled
    trial of the reintroduction of the beaver. In the debate this week there was
    no sign that they will issue the licence to allow the trial to start next
    year.
    http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/officialReports/meetingsParliament/or-05/sor0519-02.htm#Col17134

    As far as reintroducing bison is concerned, I'd have thought it would be
    more of a priority to get control of the deer population first.

    --
    Duncan Gray

    www.duncolm.co.uk
    also The Mountaineering Council of Scotland
    www.mountaineering-scotland.org.uk

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