"Martin Dann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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If parking facilities were built that made the provision of special disabled bays pointless there wouldn't be a problem. If there were more car parks like those shown in the link below, everyone could park closer to the shops, so the blue badge would be pointless, and the spare parking space could be used for something more useful.
Apart from cost of building those things, there is the time to load and unload them. At 50s per car it would take one hour to completely unload a standard (72 car) silo. Thus they are totally impractical for short term parking, or company parking where everyone finishes at the same time.
Then you have to consider what happens when the thing breaks down or there is a power cut.
Martin.
How long does it take to walk across a large car park? More than 50 seconds? There are strategies that can be used to up the exit rate, like multiple silos with multiple delivery points. If you have a break-down, the operators can offer those affected a taxi ride home or a hire car, followed by delivery of the retreived car.
Given the development of a supermarket, many of these can be installed underneith before the supermarket is built. As the entrances/exits will be right next to the entrance to the store, there will be no need to dedicated spaces to disabled users, and the trolley parks will be right by where you park. More space will be liberated for bicycle & trailer storage 🙂 Other stores or entertainment venues can also be packed closer, which means that less land and less travelling is involved.
Given the development of a supermarket, many of these can be installed underneith before the supermarket is built. As the entrances/exits will be right next to the entrance to the store, there will be no need to dedicated spaces to disabled users,
Disable parking pays are wider to let disabled people transfer into wheelchairs. Its just a nice touch that they are closer to the doors of a shop.
And pause a little the next time you see someone getting into or out of a wheelchair. It takes them a darn sight longer than opening the door, stepping out and pressing the central locking. So this figure of 50 seconds is for able-bodied people exiting their car. I don't see the able-bodied being willing to sit in a queue whilst a wheelchair is taken from boot and unfolded, or rolled down ramps, doors opened fully and disabled person being transferred from car seat to wheelchair.
Don't you worry - I /do/ understand. That is why I fully support the priority given to disabled people. What I don't support is the waste of parking spaces if NO disabled person is using them.
And how does that work when you aren't just quickly nipping into a shop where you will only be a few minutes?
Most railway station car parks have disabled parking near the station entrance - but you are likely to be gone for the whole day. Do you think it's fair the disabled people should have to either get up at 5am or wait until all the commuters have gone home before they can use the train? There are plenty of other situations where people can park for hours rather than minutes, and it certainly isn't right that disabled people should have to wait that long.
Or would you prefer a system of valet parking, so that any cars parked in disabled bays can be moved as and when needed?
Maybe disabled bays should be bookable in advance, so that able-bodied drivers know when they can and can't park in them?
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"Sirius631" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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If parking facilities were built that made the provision of special disabled bays pointless there wouldn't be a problem. If there were more car parks like those shown in the link below, everyone could park closer to the shops, so the blue badge would be pointless, and the spare parking space could be used for something more useful.
Sounds good. What happens when the computer controlling the parking goes wrong and tries to park two (or more!!) cars in the same spot???
A fault not unknown in the current biocomputer that carries out that function.
By the number of dings that are inflicted on other cars it can be seen that the current biocomputer fails regually in the bipedal transport units. Knowing my own parking, I would rather trust an automatic system any day.
Sounds good. What happens when the computer controlling the parking goes wrong and tries to park two (or more!!) cars in the same spot???
A fault not unknown in the current biocomputer that carries out that function.
By the number of dings that are inflicted on other cars it can be seen that the current biocomputer fails regually in the bipedal transport units. Knowing my own parking, I would rather trust an automatic system any day.
Indeed, in aviation in spite of extensive replacement of the biocomputers by automated systems because of their much higher safety, the biocomputers still manage to claim IIRC 90% of the air accidents for themselves.
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"Paul Boyd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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On 03/01/2007 18:19, Tony Raven said,
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How would they tell? Not all disabilities result in a pronounced limp.
L-I-M-P. Pronounced "limp". Sorry!!!
Actually, what irritates me is people slapping a disabled badge in the window of their car, then hopping out and dashing off to the shops or whatever, leaving their car parked somewhere awkward or dangerous. Yes, they may have some disability, but if they can move as well as an able-bodied person, do they really need special parking privileges? I suspect that it's really their husband's/wife's/partner's badge, and this idea of not having the photo visible any more allows them to get away with it.
I think the photo should be on the front of the thing, and I'm sure you are aware that if you display the thing with the photo uppermost you get a parking ticket for it!
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Do you actually know anybody who's disabled? Once you've seen somebody wince in pain with every step they take, perhaps you'll understand why disabled spaces are important and why you shouldn't park in them. Another bloody good reason for not parking in them is that people with a blue badge are allowed to park pretty much wherever they like. I personally would much rather they parked in the disabled spaces in the supermarket than in the middle of the road, or god forbid, blocking in someone able bodied parking in a disabled space.
Don't feed the troll. Juts take a chainsaw to his knee-caps, then he'll understand why disabled people need priority on the spaces near the doors.
Don't you worry - I /do/ understand. That is why I fully support the priority given to disabled people. What I don't support is the waste of parking spaces if NO disabled person is using them.
But, how do you know that, when you park there, the moment you go into the store, some disabled person isn't going to turn up and find no spaces for them?
"Martin Dann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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If one day, the Police stopped everyone driving on the phone, driving with fog lamps on in clear weather, driving unroadworthy cars, riding on the pavement, riding with no lights in the dark, and riding on an unroadworthy bike (ie, no brakes)? Seen umpteen [censored] on the pavement today and a woman in a Rangey trying to turn right into oncoming traffic against a red filter light because she was on the phone...
What would be great was if the Police announced that no-one would be prosecuted for any motoring offence (apart from drink driving) for one specific day of the year. And that includes all parking offences, speed cameras, traffic lights etc. Imagine the chaos that could cause, and it would put an end to all those who think speed cameras are just there to raise money.
Surely you are not naive enough to believe they are anything other than revenue raisers?
What would be great was if the Police announced that no-one would be prosecuted for any motoring offence (apart from drink driving) for one specific day of the year. And that includes all parking offences, speed cameras, traffic lights etc. Imagine the chaos that could cause, and it would put an end to all those who think speed cameras are just there to raise money.
Surely you are not naive enough to believe they are anything other than revenue raisers?
And I'm not niaive enough to believe that they are just a tax on stupidity. Or to put it slightly more succinctly, car drivers.
Fools and money.........
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Martin.
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If one day, the Police stopped everyone driving on the phone
I'm not 100% for that: I've had near misses while cycling and driving with drivers who have been on the phone and not paying attention one iota and yes they police should stop them and make them walk for the rest of the day. In this morning's rush hour however, the only vehicle not to stop in the box junction I was trying to get through (as the road I needed was empty) was a white van driver on his mobile....
