WTB: axle for maillard 700 hub

miles said:

My vintage bike has a maillard 700 hub on the rear wheel.

The hub has plenty of years left in it, but sadly the axle has
developed a serious kink and needs replacing. Any tips as to what axle
will fit it? Or any axles (or hubs-and-axles) for sale at all?

My experience is that, even if a replacement axle won't accept the sones
you have, if you can find any axle which has cones on it already, it will
work. Now, this may not apply to stuff from the 1940s, but it should
apply to your Mailliard. Finding an axle for this (aren't all French
parts from that era nonstandard??) will be hard, but using a Campy one
will probably work, and is certainly worth a try.

--

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Quoted message said:

My vintage bike has a maillard 700 hub on the rear wheel.

The hub has plenty of years left in it, but sadly the axle has
developed a serious kink and needs replacing. Any tips as to what axle
will fit it? Or any axles (or hubs-and-axles) for sale at all?

Thanks

Sorry to disapoint all-including Mr. Johnson-but for some reason
Maillard 700 rear hubs take standard 10x1 axles. How very un-French of
them. I know I was floored when I widened my 700s to 130 and discovered
this.
Phil Brown

philcycles said:

Sorry to disapoint all-including Mr. Johnson-but for some reason
Maillard 700 rear hubs take standard 10x1 axles. How very un-French of
them. I know I was floored when I widened my 700s to 130 and discovered
this.

No real disappointment, but I am "shocked, shocked" that Maillard could
get away with that. It does make the OP's original problem easier.

--

David L. Johnson

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_`\(,_ | should on no account be allowed to do the job. -- Douglas Adams
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philcycles said:

Quoted message said:

My vintage bike has a maillard 700 hub on the rear wheel.

The hub has plenty of years left in it, but sadly the axle has
developed a serious kink and needs replacing. Any tips as to what axle
will fit it? Or any axles (or hubs-and-axles) for sale at all?

Thanks

Sorry to disapoint all-including Mr. Johnson-but for some reason
Maillard 700 rear hubs take standard 10x1 axles. How very un-French of
them. I know I was floored when I widened my 700s to 130 and discovered
this.
Phil Brown

Which one had the very fine thread?

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philcycles said:

Quoted message said:

My vintage bike has a maillard 700 hub on the rear wheel.

The hub has plenty of years left in it, but sadly the axle has
developed a serious kink and needs replacing. Any tips as to what axle
will fit it? Or any axles (or hubs-and-axles) for sale at all?

Thanks

Sorry to disapoint all-including Mr. Johnson-but for some reason
Maillard 700 rear hubs take standard 10x1 axles. How very un-French of
them. I know I was floored when I widened my 700s to 130 and discovered
this.
Phil Brown

Which one had the very fine thread?

Dear AF,

The axles may have been "standard"--Sheldon's page about the odd sizes
on French bikes is silent about any axle weirdness:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/velos.html

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

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philcycles said:

[email hidden] wrote:
> My vintage bike has a maillard 700 hub on the rear wheel.
>
> The hub has plenty of years left in it, but sadly the axle has
> developed a serious kink and needs replacing. Any tips as to what axle
> will fit it? Or any axles (or hubs-and-axles) for sale at all?
>
> Thanks

Sorry to disapoint all-including Mr. Johnson-but for some reason
Maillard 700 rear hubs take standard 10x1 axles. How very un-French of
them. I know I was floored when I widened my 700s to 130 and discovered
this.
Phil Brown

Which one had the very fine thread?

Dear AF,

The axles may have been "standard"--Sheldon's page about the odd sizes
on French bikes is silent about any axle weirdness:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/velos.html

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Ah, how nice to have Sheldon's site back for browsing such matters.

Here's his axle table:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/hub-parts.html#axles

Axle threads seem to be either 26 tpi or 1 mm, with a single oddball
24 tpi at the bottom of the list.

Axle thicknesses are 9 or 10 mm, plus a few in between at 9.5 mm/
3/8".

The real variation is axle length--110, 137, 141, 146, 147, 158, 155,
174, 180, and 187 mm versions are listed for spacings of 100, 126,
130, 135, 145 mm, and behemoth.

CF

philcycles said:

Quoted message said:

My vintage bike has a maillard 700 hub on the rear wheel.

The hub has plenty of years left in it, but sadly the axle has
developed a serious kink and needs replacing. Any tips as to what axle
will fit it? Or any axles (or hubs-and-axles) for sale at all?

Thanks

Low quality asian m10 axle SETs available for about $5 from www.biketoolsetc.com.
High quality axles available from wheels manufacturing for about $11-$14 at LBS.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

On 19 Sep 2006 11:27:19 -0700, [email hidden] (Donald Gillies)

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philcycles said:

Quoted message said:

My vintage bike has a maillard 700 hub on the rear wheel.

The hub has plenty of years left in it, but sadly the axle has
developed a serious kink and needs replacing. Any tips as to what axle
will fit it? Or any axles (or hubs-and-axles) for sale at all?

Thanks

Low quality asian m10 axle SETs available for about $5 from www.biketoolsetc.com.
High quality axles available from wheels manufacturing for about $11-$14 at LBS.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

Dear Don,

Out of curiosity, what qualities are low in the Asian axle sets and
high in the wheels manufacturing axles?

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

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On 19 Sep 2006 11:27:19 -0700, [email hidden] (Donald Gillies)

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philcycles said:

[email hidden] wrote:
> My vintage bike has a maillard 700 hub on the rear wheel.
>
> The hub has plenty of years left in it, but sadly the axle has
> developed a serious kink and needs replacing. Any tips as to what axle
> will fit it? Or any axles (or hubs-and-axles) for sale at all?
>
> Thanks

Low quality asian m10 axle SETs available for about $5 from www.biketoolsetc.com.
High quality axles available from wheels manufacturing for about $11-$14 at LBS.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

Dear Don,

Out of curiosity, what qualities are low in the Asian axle sets and
high in the wheels manufacturing axles?

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Aha!

A quick browse at axles at BikeToolsEtc:

http://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cgi?id=440435462942&c=Repair-Parts&sc=Hub-and-Axle&tc=Axles
or http://tinyurl.com/s8b53

Er, I mean a slow browse--the site suddenly turned into molasses and
then developed hiccups. Possibly they were doing site maintenance.

Anyway, they sell generic solid axles for $1.95:

"Good quality solid axle for repairs."

They sell solid axles from Shimano for $7.95:

"Genuine Shimano."

They sell solid axles from Wheels Manufacturing for $11.95:

"Wheels Mfg axles are made from 4130 chromoly steel that is heat
treated to increase strength without brittleness. Threads are rolled
(not cut) for added strength and ease of assembly. Made in USA."

No word on whether the generic and Shimano axles feature rolled or cut
threads or are made of tempered 4130 Chromoly steel.

BikeToolsEtc also sells hollow axles:

http://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cgi?id=440435462942&c=Repair-Parts&sc=Hub-and-Axle&tc=Hollow-Axle-Sets
or http://tinyurl.com/m5vtx

The generic hollow axles sell for $4.50, with cones.

The Weldtite hollow axles with cones sell for $8.90.

Neither the generic nor the Weldtite hollow axles boast about any
special qualities.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

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My vintage bike has a maillard 700 hub on the rear wheel.

The hub has plenty of years left in it, but sadly the axle has
developed a serious kink and needs replacing. Any tips as to what axle
will fit it? Or any axles (or hubs-and-axles) for sale at all?

Thanks

Dear Miles,

I don't know if this is the same Maillard axle, but it comes with cones
and fittings:

http://www.loosescrews.com/index.cgi?d=single&c=Hub&sc=Axle%20Sets&tc=Rear&item_id=MA-HCRAS&id=390346027115

or http://tinyurl.com/kz5zq

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

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Quoted message said:

Dear Don,

Out of curiosity, what qualities are low in the Asian axle sets and
high in the wheels manufacturing axles?

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Well Carl, I guess you'll just have to buy each type of hollow axle
yourself (as I have done) and find out for yourself. 'nuff said.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

On 19 Sep 2006 16:30:04 -0700, [email hidden] (Donald Gillies)

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Quoted message said:

Dear Don,

Out of curiosity, what qualities are low in the Asian axle sets and
high in the wheels manufacturing axles?

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Well Carl, I guess you'll just have to buy each type of hollow axle
yourself (as I have done) and find out for yourself. 'nuff said.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

Dear Don,

Er, you said nothing, an odd reply on a technical newsgroup.

Wouldn't the same number of words have served to answer the question:

What qualities are low in the Asian axle sets and high in the wheels
manufacturing axles? Apart from price and country of manufacture, how
do they differ?

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

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Dear Don,

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Out of curiosity, what qualities are low in the Asian axle sets and
high in the wheels manufacturing axles?

Low quality axle sets have steel spacers, they look stamped.
Low quality axle sets do not have serrations on locknuts.
Low quality axle set cones have unusual 'coffee' finish.
Low quality axle sets have obviously stamped washers.
Low quality axle sets come packaged 10/pack from QBP.
Low quality axle sets have poor finishing on the ends.

High quality wheels mfg axles are heat treated 4130, as another poster said.
High quality wheels mfg axles seem to have better ('tighter'😉 threads
for my campy cones; better conical finish on the ends.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

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Dear Miles,

Quoted message said:

I don't know if this is the same Maillard axle, but it comes with cones
and fittings:

Quoted message said:

http://www.loosescrews.com/index.cgi?d=single&c=Hub&sc=Axle%20Sets&tc=Rear&item_id=MA-HCRAS&id=390346027115

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or http://tinyurl.com/kz5zq

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Cheers,

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Carl Fogel

Carl, that is not the right axle set. The original requester wants to
buy a 100% campy-compatible axle set. That one has a lip on the cones
which will not fit a campy axle. Campy cones have no lip.

I have two QBP axle sets, one was used on a Pelissier Professional
hubset which is 99% identical to a maillard 700 hubset. I also have 2
maillard 700 hubsets at home and if necessary, I can verify that the
QBP axle set will fit onto the 700 hubset.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA