yet another chain question

It's time to remove my Shimano (Dura-ace 9-speed) chain for cleaning (chain
comes with those break-off pins). Using my chain tool, should I remove the
break-off pin (where the chain was originally installed), or should I remove
one of the standard pins (replacing it with a break-off pin when I'm
done)? - or - I have a few Sram power links from previously-discarded chains
from other bikes - will they work smoothly with a Dura-ace chain?
- Thanks - Gary

Gary Smiley said:

It's time to remove my Shimano (Dura-ace 9-speed) chain for cleaning (chain
comes with those break-off pins). Using my chain tool, should I remove the
break-off pin (where the chain was originally installed)

No don't remove the break off pin!!

, or should I remove

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one of the standard pins (replacing it with a break-off pin when I'm
done)?

Yes.

- or - I have a few Sram power links from previously-discarded chains

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from other bikes - will they work smoothly with a Dura-ace chain?
- Thanks - Gary

A removable link is much easier. I don't know if the SRAM 9 sepeed
powerlink works with a shimano chain. I would leave it on the bike and
next time buy a SRAM 9 speed chain with a powerlink. A DA chain is
nothing special.

Lou

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It's time to remove my Shimano (Dura-ace 9-speed) chain for cleaning

(chain

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comes with those break-off pins). Using my chain tool, should I remove the
break-off pin (where the chain was originally installed), or should I remove
one of the standard pins (replacing it with a break-off pin when I'm
done)? - or - I have a few Sram power links from previously-discarded

chains

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from other bikes - will they work smoothly with a Dura-ace chain?
- Thanks - Gary

Clean it on the bike, use Simple Green or something similiar and relube. If
you must take it off the bike break any pin except the break-off pin. You will
have to put it back together with another Shimano break-off pin. As others
have indicated, go for a Connex Chain or SRAM PC991 (can be had for $30
on ebay) when time to replace the chain. cheers.

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It's time to remove my Shimano (Dura-ace 9-speed) chain for cleaning

(chain

Quoted message said:

comes with those break-off pins). Using my chain tool, should I remove the
break-off pin (where the chain was originally installed), or should I
remove
one of the standard pins (replacing it with a break-off pin when I'm
done)? - or - I have a few Sram power links from previously-discarded

chains

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from other bikes - will they work smoothly with a Dura-ace chain?
- Thanks - Gary

Clean it on the bike, use Simple Green or something similiar and relube.
If
you must take it off the bike break any pin except the break-off pin. You
will
have to put it back together with another Shimano break-off pin.

Alternatively, I have used the Shimano DA 9 speed chain WITH a Sram
powerlink and have had NO PROBLEMS whatsoever. Yes, Shimano and Sram/Sachs
have each stated not to use a power link with a Shimano chain, but in
practice, it does work. Further, I hear that the Wipperman connex link
works even better with Shimano chains! Just do it!

Now THAT'S what I wanted to hear! Thanks!

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Alternatively, I have used the Shimano DA 9 speed chain WITH a Sram
powerlink and have had NO PROBLEMS whatsoever. Yes, Shimano and Sram/Sachs
have each stated not to use a power link with a Shimano chain, but in
practice, it does work. Further, I hear that the Wipperman connex link
works even better with Shimano chains! Just do it!

Den 24.03.2007 kl. 19:39 skrev Gary Smiley <[email hidden]>:

should I remove

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the
break-off pin (where the chain was originally installed), or should I
remove
one of the standard pins

If you decide to stay true to the Shimano concept, you should NOT remove
the break-off pin (. That will, according to the instructions sheet,
damage the chain. I assume by making the new assembly too weak. Instead
you should remove one of the standard pins, and - again according to the
instructions sheet - you should choose one "on the front side in the
direction of travel". I can't figure out why, 'cause I would thin the
front pin carries at bigger load than the back side pin. but that's what
it says.
I use to be uncomfortable with the Shimano "Connecting Pins" - but now
that I have accostumed to them, I find them reliable and easy to use.

Ivar
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NEVER drill out a previously installed break-off pin!!! They work by
being a bit bigger in diameter than the other pins. Once in, they will
have distorted the link a wee bit. SO, another break-off pin will be
going into a possibly damaged link. ALWAYS go for a "regular" pin.

A SRAM link may or may not work. My advice, though (and I've seen it
right here, folks!) is to not recycle them. If you have a stand, you
might put one on to see how it shifts on the Shimano chain...

Then go buy a new one! Contrast $5 with at best being stranded. At
worse, a chain breaking at the wrong time can cause a crash, can whip
around and take out some spokes, can jam against the frame and bend the
derailleur (and perhaps the hanger and/or drop-out)...

Gary Smiley said:

It's time to remove my Shimano (Dura-ace 9-speed) chain for cleaning (chain
comes with those break-off pins). Using my chain tool, should I remove the
break-off pin (where the chain was originally installed), or should I remove
one of the standard pins (replacing it with a break-off pin when I'm
done)? - or - I have a few Sram power links from previously-discarded chains
from other bikes - will they work smoothly with a Dura-ace chain?
- Thanks - Gary

i used the word 'tumbler' please substitute 'roller' for tumbler.
the sram link could last 2-3 chains close to an as new spec if chains
are run clean.
worn sram links do not appear to increase wear but common sense sez
that's not true. ??
a big deal using sram links is link loss
a big deal using sram links is tum errr roller fallout.
you may ask "what is roller fallout"?
like hysterisis, ROLLER fallout is when a roller fallsout-not a big a
deal as link loss unless the better remainder of the cut chain was
component tossed. keep, linseed, thrown in bottom toolbox.
the answer to link loss and ROLLER fallout is at uhuhuh walmart
wal sells a box of coated colored jumbo paperclips in an attractive
plastic cube equipped with a fiendish spring device designed explode
the contents over the shop on january 2.
tape cover.
the coating gives the high quality steel normally found in paperclips
an admirable bending quality exceeding perhaps german engineering
specs.
one winds the straightend clip, after relieving stress, thru the
roller left unattended by the sram link pullout which you now hold in
tentacle 7, then thread thru the sram hole and wind shut.
we advise doing that on two chain ends.
diffrent colors gives the option of swtching chain direction to
average wear. one day the blue goes front one day the blue goes rear..
you get the picture, right?

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you get the picture, right?

buy two pair

Gary Smiley said:

Now THAT'S what I wanted to hear! Thanks!

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Alternatively, I have used the Shimano DA 9 speed chain WITH a Sram
powerlink and have had NO PROBLEMS whatsoever. Yes, Shimano and Sram/Sachs
have each stated not to use a power link with a Shimano chain, but in
practice, it does work. Further, I hear that the Wipperman connex link
works even better with Shimano chains! Just do it!

I consider the SRAM link to be more reliable than the Shimano pin. There's
hardly any way to get the Sram wrong, but a few thousandths of an inch off and
you've wasted a Shimano pin and maybe you won't know it until it comes apart on
you.

Ron