Zzz Who is Mark Thorson?

Dave the Spammer said:

Dr. Phil says, "He who has nothing to hide, hides nothing". The reverse would is also true. Mark
Thorson spreads unsubstantiated lies to discredit honest folks who may have something
constructive to offer. He is a malicious destroyer. His destiny is one of more sadness and
continued failure.

That's a fine accusation from someone who only signs himself as "Dave". I post under my real name.

What you call "unsubstantiated lies" are a) not lies and b) not unsubstantiated. I provide links to
the actual source information on a U.S. government web site where the information comes from.

Here are those links:

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[. . .]

REASON FOR ALERT: This alert provides a compilation of all processed foods that may be subject to
detention without physical examination due to illegal pesticide residues pursuant to the procedures
outlined in Chapter 9 of the RPM.

[. . .]

Ginseng Bing Han Medical Factory Quintozene
3/13/2001 (Powdered) 81, Cherng Gong Street *Pentachlorobenzene 211-9414883-5 Ell Jeun Village,
Taiwan *Tetrachloroaniline
I290230/120531 FEI# 3003196781 *Hexachlorobenzene 54F[]R12 - SEA *BHC Shipper: Bing Han (Canada)
*Pentachloroaniline Enterprises. Ltd. *Tecnazene 210-7911 Alderbridge Way
*Pentachlorothioanisole Richmond B.C., Canada FEI# 3003196782

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Refusal Actions by FDA as Recorded in OASIS

Country of Origin Entry # DOC Line Suffix Manufacture Name City / ISO Country Code District
Product Code Product Description Date Reason

[. . .]

Taiwan, Republic Of China 310-5216341-2 1 1 Bing Han Enterprises Ltdpharmaceutical Factory
Tainan , TW CIN-DO 54YBZ04 PANAX GINSENG, PERSONAL SHIPMENT 02-MAY-2003 PESTICIDES

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Subject: Zzz Who is Mark Thorson?
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 11/2/2003 2:26 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Dr. Phil says, "He who has nothing to hide, hides nothing". The reverse would is also true. Mark
Thorson spreads unsubstantiated lies to discredit honest folks who may have something
constructive to offer. He is a malicious destroyer. His destiny is one of more sadness and
continued failure.

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Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Total posts: 3328
[6.46% of total / 12.37 posts per day] Find all posts by Mark Thorson Location: Website:
Occupation: Interests: You figger it out

Wrong Mark Thorson.

He has been on the net for years, jumping on every MLM person, while he works or has worked on the
semiconductor industry. That should give you an idea of what a hypocrite.

Also explains why he states MCS is all in the head.

He is busy helping to dump these chemicals in the enviornment.

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Jan

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Dave said:

Dr. Phil says, "He who has nothing to hide, hides nothing". The reverse would is also true. Mark
Thorson spreads unsubstantiated lies to discredit honest folks who may have something
constructive to offer.

What does that have you do with you? You're not honest and have nothing constructive to offer.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

I sell a powerful natural health remedy and am a spiritual man. I tell no lies.

Mark Thorson is a person who posts lies to fighten people for his own amusement. He is like the poor
misguided young terrorists whose motives are impossible for the rest of us to understand. He is a
publicly proven liar. He appears to specialize in saying that naturally grown nutritional products
contain dangerous chemicals. He has been warned once by Bing Han but still persists. I think this is
classed as a psychopathic condition. Anyway, here's his last self destructive run.

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Does Super Blue Green Algae contain Anatoxin-a?(posted 6-19-01)

One individual was responsible for a great deal of miscommunication regarding anatoxin-a,
information which is still accessible on many Internet sites. Cell Tech sued Mark Thorson for
posting defamatory statements about Cell Tech, its products and its personnel to various Internet or
Usenet news groups. Cell Tech's lawsuit against Mr. Thorson has now been settled. As part of the
settlement agreement, Mr. Thorson has posted the Retraction Statement that appears below. Although
he did retract the allegations that he had been widely circulating, we all know that one cannot,
with a single correct statement, undo all the harm done by many mis-statements that continue to
circulate.

The following is a retraction statement that Mark Thorson was ordered to post to various newsgroups:

Subject: Retraction of Anatoxin-a Primer

During the last several years, I have from time to time posted to this and other newsgroups a
file of information called "An Anatoxin-a Primer." I now retract the statements made in the
Anatoxin-a Primer.

The Anatoxin-a Primer implied that Super Blue Green Algae from Klamath Lake, produced by Cell Tech,
contains anatoxin-a (a neurotoxin I characterized as addictive), and that Cell Tech deliberately
avoids testing for this toxin because anatoxin-a is responsible for the effects reported by SBGA
users. I have since been advised that Cell Tech conducts regular tests that would disclose anatoxin-
a, and that this toxin has never been found in Super Blue Green Algae. I had no basis for the
suggestions I made in the Anatoxin-a Primer, and I hereby retract it in full.

Jan the Accuser said:

He has been on the net for years, jumping on every MLM person, while he works or has worked on the
semiconductor industry. That should give you an idea of what a hypocrite.

That makes no sense. What does MLM have to do with the semiconductor industry? Are you confusing
semiconductors with pharmaceuticals? Do you think Elavil or Neurontin contain semiconductors?

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Also explains why he states MCS is all in the head.

I reference what I say about MCS with quotations and full citations to the peer-reviewed medical
literature.

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He is busy helping to dump these chemicals in the enviornment.

That's another LIE from Jan. I've never been involved with dumping any chemicals into the
environment. Just because I work in one part of the semiconductor industry, that does not mean I'm
responsible for everything bad done by other parts of the industry.

That would be like saying that Jan Drew is responsible for child molestation that occurs at day care
centers. (On the other hand, Jan Drew has falsely accused me of being a child molestor -- and Jan
Drew frequently accuses other people of what she herself is guilty.)

Dave the Spammer said:

I sell a powerful natural health remedy and am a spiritual man. I tell no lies.

You have lied many times to sell your product.

For example, you said: "The FDA lab detected some pesticides at a level that is below Canadian and
European requirements. It should be noted that these pesticides are produced naturally in the
growing fields and are not man made."

That is not true. TECNAZENE, QUINTOZENE, HEXACHLOROBENZENE, and LINDANE (also known as BENZENE
HEXACHLORIDE) are synthetic chemicals.

As another example, you said: "Ginseng is food. It cannot harm you or conflict with medications,
because it is food."

That is not true. Quoting from: people.virginia.eduv4n5.htmOpen ↗

Ginseng is contraindicated in asthma, renal failure, Stage 2 or higher hypertension, acute
inflammatory or infectious diseases, bronchitis and emphysema, chronic diseases of the
gastrointestinal tract (i.e., diverticulitis, gastroesophageal reflux disease), heart failure,
arrhythmias, edema, insomnia, anxiety, pregnancy, and breast-feeding. Reported adverse effects of
ginseng include insomnia, nervousness, excitation, diarrhea, and skin disorders.

Little is known about drug interactions with ginseng; however, the literature contains two case
reports describing ginseng drug interactions. A patient previously well controlled on warfarin
therapy experienced a loss of anticoagulant control (subtherapeutic INR) after the initiation of
ginseng. In addition, a patient taking both ginseng and digoxin experienced an elevated digoxin
level. Because objective scientific data documenting therapeutic benefits of ginseng are lacking,
the role of ginseng as a legitimate therapeutic agent is neither established nor accepted by the
medical community.

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Mark Thorson is a person who posts lies to fighten people for his own amusement.

No, I post about the dangers of your ginseng to inform the public, so they have the complete
information that they should know.

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He is like the poor misguided young terrorists whose motives are impossible for the rest of us to
understand. He is a publicly proven liar.

Baloney. What you call "lies" are facts obtained from reliable sources.

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He appears to specialize in saying that naturally grown nutritional products contain dangerous
chemicals.

On the contrary, a product containing TECNAZENE, QUINTOZENE, HEXACHLOROBENZENE, and LINDANE (also
known as BENZENE HEXACHLORIDE) cannot be naturally grown.

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He has been warned once by Bing Han but still persists. I think this is classed as a psychopathic
condition. Anyway, here's his last self destructive run.

I have received no communication directly from Bing Han. The only communication I have received is
indirectly from you, posted in Usenet newsgroups. Because of your history of lying, I cannot believe
any of your statements to be factual.

I'm sure you wish you could suppress the truth about Bing Han ginseng by bluff and bluster. You seem
to be very threatened by it.

Dave, your hyperbole is approaching that of your hero, Timmy Bolen, and your slander is approaching
that of the Kriminal Kult of $cientology (no, I amnot accusing you of being one of them, they woul
dnot have you).

"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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I sell a powerful natural health remedy and am a spiritual man. I tell no lies.

Mark Thorson is a person who posts lies to fighten people for his own amusement. He is like the
poor misguided young terrorists whose motives are impossible for the rest of us to understand. He
is a publicly proven liar. He appears to specialize in saying that naturally grown nutritional

products

Quoted message said:

contain dangerous chemicals. He has been warned once by Bing Han but still persists. I think this
is classed as a psychopathic condition. Anyway, here's his last self destructive run.

___________________________________________________________

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Does Super Blue Green Algae contain Anatoxin-a?(posted 6-19-01)

One individual was responsible for a great deal of miscommunication regarding anatoxin-a,
information which is still accessible on many

Internet

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sites. Cell Tech sued Mark Thorson for posting defamatory statements about Cell Tech, its products
and its personnel to various Internet or Usenet

news

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groups. Cell Tech's lawsuit against Mr. Thorson has now been settled. As part of the settlement
agreement, Mr. Thorson has posted the Retraction Statement that appears below. Although he did
retract the allegations that he had been widely circulating, we all know that one cannot, with a
single correct statement, undo all the harm done by many mis-statements that continue to
circulate.

The following is a retraction statement that Mark Thorson was ordered to post to various
newsgroups:

Subject: Retraction of Anatoxin-a Primer

During the last several years, I have from time to time posted to this and other newsgroups a file
of information called "An Anatoxin-a Primer." I

now

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retract the statements made in the Anatoxin-a Primer.

The Anatoxin-a Primer implied that Super Blue Green Algae from Klamath

Lake,

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produced by Cell Tech, contains anatoxin-a (a neurotoxin I characterized

as

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addictive), and that Cell Tech deliberately avoids testing for this toxin because anatoxin-a is
responsible for the effects reported by SBGA users.

I

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have since been advised that Cell Tech conducts regular tests that would disclose anatoxin-a, and
that this toxin has never been found in Super

Blue

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Green Algae. I had no basis for the suggestions I made in the Anatoxin-a Primer, and I hereby
retract it in full.