Good News! Autism NOTcaused by MMR or Thimerosal



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http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews&storyID=5183214&section=news

Vaccine, Preservative Do Not Cause Autism - Panel Tue 18
May, 2004 21:09

By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Neither the measles, mumps and
rubella vaccine nor a mercury-based preservative used in
many childhood shots cause autism, a U.S. health panel said
on Tuesday.

Researchers and parents trying to find out what causes
autism and its possible recent upsurge should look elsewhere
for a culprit, the Institute of Medicine panel said.

"The weight of that evidence is pretty substantial," said
Dr. Marie McCormick, an expert in child and mother health at
the Harvard School of Public Health who chaired the panel.

"The overwhelming evidence from several well-designed
studies indicates that childhood vaccines are not associated
with autism," she added. The same holds true for a mercury-
based preservative called thimerosal which is often used in
vaccines, the panel found.

Autism can affect a child's ability to learn, speak and
socialize. No one is sure precisely how many children have
autism, but some researchers say it could be as common as
one in every 1,000 children.

Because autism is usually diagnosed about when children
receive many recommended immunizations, some groups believe
vaccines are to blame.

A few parents, especially in Britain, have begun to refuse
to vaccinate their children and outbreaks of disease have
been traced to unvaccinated children.

McCormick said the diseases that are prevented by
vaccination were often fatal in the days when they were
common childhood occurrences. "These diseases that we are
talking about are very, very serious diseases and they are
still present in the rest of the world so, they still are a
plane ride away," she said.

SIFTING THROUGH THE EVIDENCE

The Institute's panel, which included experts in pediatrics,
family medicine, statistics and epidemiology, had reported
in 2001 that there was no proven link between vaccines and
autism but said there was not quite enough evidence to be
definitive.

Since then, they have reviewed five large epidemiological
studies done in the United States, Britain, Denmark, and
Sweden that found children who were vaccinated with thimerosal-
containing vaccines were no more likely to have autism than
children who got thimerosal-free vaccines.

They looked at studies that reported links between vaccines
or thimerosal and autism, but found none of them could show
a connection.

They searched for evidence of a biological explanation of
how immunizations or thimerosal could cause autism, and
found none. They listened to advocates and family members
who believe vaccines caused autism, as well.

But some groups said the Institute's report was biased.

"This report went beyond any other report and this is why I
felt it was political," Barbara Loe Fisher, who founded the
National Vaccine Information Center, said in a telephone
interview.

[Comment: Ms. Fisher is out of a job. Now she can find some
real work to do. The thoguht scares her.]

She said she would like to see research done by scientists
with no connections to the "public health community."

[Comment: IOW, she wants a report done by people who do not
know anything about what they are investigating. What a
stupid, moronic idea.]

Other groups also promised to continue to battle to prove
that vaccines cause autism.

"Another flawed report -- government issued or otherwise --
will not stop SafeMinds from continuing its mission to
foster science and educate the public," said Sallie Barnard,
executive director of SafeMinds, one of the groups.

[Comment: Another soon to be out of work whiner. She would
not know science if were stuck in her brain by the shortest
route, i.e. by a proctoscope.]

McCormick stressed that the panel was independent of any
vaccine maker or of the government and was not paid for its
work. She said they considered the possibility that some of
the studies were biased. "We do not feel that the data were
manipulated," she said.

[Comment: Of course, the whiners will find ways to trash
this report in any manner they can. However, now is the time
to stop barking up thiese trees, and begin to look for the
real causes. The die-hard Realmedicine haters will, (all)
naturally, blather on and on about whacko conspiracies,
people being bought off, etc. They have a vested interest in
blaming RealMedicine.]
 
As I prepared to post this exact same article, planning on
commenting on the laughably stupid anti-vac morons'
responses, Mark beat me to
it. I still have some comments below.

On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:03:38 GMT, "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-
May 17, 2004"
<i.t.a.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email protected]> wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>But some groups said the Institute's report was biased.
>
>"This report went beyond any other report and this is why I
>felt it was political," Barbara Loe Fisher, who founded the
>National Vaccine Information Center, said in a telephone
>interview.
>
>[Comment: Ms. Fisher is out of a job. Now she can find some
>real work to do. The thoguht scares her.]

She complains that it's "political." Let's see...

From The Institute of Medicine:

>Mission
>
>The Institute of Medicine serves as adviser to the nation
>to improve health. As an independent, scientific adviser,
>the Institute of Medicine strives to provide advice that is
>unbiased, based on evidence, and grounded in science. The
>mission of the Institute of Medicine embraces the health of
>people everywhere

From the National Vaccine [mis]Information Center:

>OUR MISSION
>
>The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) is dedicated
>to the prevention of vaccine injuries and deaths through
>public education. NVIC provides assistance to parents whose
>children have suffered vaccine reactions; promotes research
>to evaluate vaccine safety and effectiveness as well as to
>identify factors which place individuals at high risk for
>suffering vaccine reactions; and monitors vaccine research,
>development, policy-making and legislation. NVIC supports
>the right of citizens to exercise informed consent and make
>educated, independent vaccination decisions for themselves
>and their children.

Now, who do you think is "biased?"

More laughable bias in this "response" from the NV[M]C:

http://www.nvic.org/PressReleases/pr51804iom.htm

>"...Failing to consider the fact that DPT and MMR vaccine
>induced brain inflammation can lead to brain damage in some
>children, including autism, is just one example of how
>simplistic and superficial this analysis of the
>relationship between vaccines and autism is. When the real
>science comes out demonstrating that vaccines can cause
>autism in genetically susceptible children, this
>Committee's conclusions will be meaningless," said Fisher.
>
>NVIC has been calling for independent, non-governmental,
>non-industry research into the genetic and other
>biological high risk factors of vaccine associated brain
>and immune system dysfunction, including autism, for the
>past two decades.

The IOM started out trying to answer the question, "Do
vaccines cause autism?"

The NVIC is instead trying to prove the statement, "Vaccines
cause autism," and is doing so by presuming the premise is
true. The NVIC is guilty of the fallacy of begging the
question (petitio principii).

(See http://datanation.com/fallacies/begging.htm)

Now, again, who is "biased?"

>She said she would like to see research done by scientists
>with no connections to the "public health community."
>
>[Comment: IOW, she wants a report done by people who do not
>know anything about what they are investigating. What a
>stupid, moronic idea.]

Yes, indeed, she wants scientists who don't care if kids die
of vaccine preventable diseases.

>Other groups also promised to continue to battle to prove
>that vaccines cause autism.

"Once almost all one's energies are expended on protecting
one's core theory from being falsified, it is no longer
being approached as a scientific theory but as an item of
faith - to be defended come what may."

>"Another flawed report -- government issued or
>otherwise -- will not stop SafeMinds from continuing
>its mission to foster science and educate the public,"
>said Sallie Barnard, executive director of SafeMinds,
>one of the groups.
>
>[Comment: Another soon to be out of work whiner. She would
>not know science if were stuck in her brain by the shortest
>route, i.e. by a proctoscope.]

To her, "flawed" is synonymous with "exonerates mercury," no
matter how well-designed the study or unbiased the
researchers.

PF
 
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews&-
storyID=5183214&section=news
>
>
> Vaccine, Preservative Do Not Cause Autism - Panel Tue 18
> May, 2004 21:09
>
> By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent
>
> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Neither the measles, mumps and
> rubella vaccine nor
a
> mercury-based preservative used in many childhood shots
> cause autism, a
U.S.
> health panel said on Tuesday.
>
> Researchers and parents trying to find out what causes
> autism and its possible recent upsurge should look
> elsewhere for a culprit, the Institute of Medicine
> panel said.
>
> "The weight of that evidence is pretty substantial,"
> said Dr. Marie McCormick, an expert in child and mother
> health at the Harvard School of Public Health who
> chaired the panel.
>
> "The overwhelming evidence from several well-designed
> studies indicates
that
> childhood vaccines are not associated with autism," she
> added. The same holds true for a mercury-based
> preservative called thimerosal which is
often
> used in vaccines, the panel found.
>
> Autism can affect a child's ability to learn, speak and
> socialize. No one
is
> sure precisely how many children have autism, but some
> researchers say it could be as common as one in every
> 1,000 children.
>
> Because autism is usually diagnosed about when children
> receive many recommended immunizations, some groups
> believe vaccines are to blame.
>
> A few parents, especially in Britain, have begun to refuse
> to vaccinate their children and outbreaks of disease have
> been traced to unvaccinated children.
>
> McCormick said the diseases that are prevented by
> vaccination were often fatal in the days when they were
> common childhood occurrences. "These diseases that we are
> talking about are very, very serious diseases and
they
> are still present in the rest of the world so, they still
> are a plane ride away," she said.
>
> SIFTING THROUGH THE EVIDENCE
>
> The Institute's panel, which included experts in
> pediatrics, family medicine, statistics and epidemiology,
> had reported in 2001 that there was no proven link between
> vaccines and autism but said there was not quite enough
> evidence to be definitive.
>
> Since then, they have reviewed five large epidemiological
> studies done in the United States, Britain, Denmark, and
> Sweden that found children who
were
> vaccinated with thimerosal-containing vaccines were no
> more likely to have autism than children who got thimerosal-
> free vaccines.
>
> They looked at studies that reported links between
> vaccines or thimerosal and autism, but found none of them
> could show a connection.
>
> They searched for evidence of a biological
> explanation of how
immunizations
> or thimerosal could cause autism, and found none. They
> listened to
advocates
> and family members who believe vaccines caused autism,
> as well.
>
> But some groups said the Institute's report was biased.
>
> "This report went beyond any other report and this is why
> I felt it was political," Barbara Loe Fisher, who founded
> the National Vaccine
Information
> Center, said in a telephone interview.
>
> [Comment: Ms. Fisher is out of a job. Now she can find
> some real work to
do.
> The thoguht scares her.]
>
> She said she would like to see research done by scientists
> with no connections to the "public health community."
>
> [Comment: IOW, she wants a report done by people who do
> not know anything about what they are investigating. What
> a stupid, moronic idea.]
>
> Other groups also promised to continue to battle to prove
> that vaccines cause autism.
>
> "Another flawed report -- government issued or
> otherwise -- will not stop SafeMinds from continuing
> its mission to foster science and educate the public,"
> said Sallie Barnard, executive director of SafeMinds,
> one of the groups.
>
> [Comment: Another soon to be out of work whiner. She would
> not know
science
> if were stuck in her brain by the shortest route, i.e. by
> a proctoscope.]
>
> McCormick stressed that the panel was independent of any
> vaccine maker or
of
> the government and was not paid for its work. She said
> they considered the possibility that some of the studies
> were biased. "We do not feel that the data were
> manipulated," she said.
>
> [Comment: Of course, the whiners will find ways to trash
> this report in
any
> manner they can. However, now is the time to stop barking
> up thiese trees, and begin to look for the real causes.
> The die-hard Realmedicine haters will, (all) naturally,
> blather on and on about whacko conspiracies, people being
> bought off, etc. They have a vested interest in blaming
RealMedicine.]
>
>
>
Interesting that your "panel" had not one person who was not
part of the conventional team.
 
>But some groups said the Institute's report was biased.
>
>"This report went beyond any other report and this is why I
>felt it was political," Barbara Loe Fisher, who founded the
>National Vaccine Information Center, said in a telephone
>interview

>She said she would like to see research done by scientists
>with no connections to the "public health community."

Comment.

Mark Probert's comments show his stupidity.

Jan
 
"PF Riley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]... ...>
>"Another flawed report -- government issued or
otherwise -- will not stop
> >SafeMinds from continuing its mission to foster science
> >and educate the public," said Sallie Barnard, executive
> >director of SafeMinds, one of the groups.
> >
> >[Comment: Another soon to be out of work whiner. She
> >would not know
science
> >if were stuck in her brain by the shortest route, i.e. by
> >a proctoscope.]
>
> To her, "flawed" is synonymous with "exonerates mercury,"
> no matter how well-designed the study or unbiased the
> researchers.
>
> PF

Ugh.. No matter what happens they will still bleat and bray,
and kids will continue to be in danger of the actual
diseases... like described here: http://www.sciencentral.co-
m/articles/view.php3?language=english&type=article&article_-
id=218392250

Take careful note of the last paragraph (oh, and Barbara Loe
Fisher is included in the transcript of the meeting, so she
was also part of the process, it is all here:
http://www.iom.edu/file.asp?id=19140 ).
 
"PF Riley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> As I prepared to post this exact same article, planning on
> commenting on the laughably stupid anti-vac morons'
> responses, Mark beat me to
> it. I still have some comments below.
>
> On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:03:38 GMT, "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-
> May 17, 2004"
> <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >But some groups said the Institute's report was biased.
> >
> >"This report went beyond any other report and this is why
> >I felt it was political," Barbara Loe Fisher, who founded
> >the National Vaccine
Information
> >Center, said in a telephone interview.
> >
> >[Comment: Ms. Fisher is out of a job. Now she can find
> >some real work to
do.
> >The thoguht scares her.]
>
> She complains that it's "political." Let's see...
>
> From The Institute of Medicine:
>
> >Mission
> >
> >The Institute of Medicine serves as adviser to the nation
> >to improve health. As an independent, scientific adviser,
> >the Institute of Medicine strives to provide advice that
> >is unbiased, based on evidence, and grounded in science.
> >The mission of the Institute of Medicine embraces the
> >health of people everywhere
>
> From the National Vaccine [mis]Information Center:
>
> >OUR MISSION
> >
> >The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) is
> >dedicated to the prevention of vaccine injuries and
> >deaths through public education. NVIC provides assistance
> >to parents whose children have suffered vaccine
> >reactions; promotes research to evaluate vaccine safety
> >and effectiveness as well as to identify factors which
> >place individuals at high risk for suffering vaccine
> >reactions; and monitors vaccine research, development,
> >policy-making and legislation. NVIC supports the right of
> >citizens to exercise informed consent and make educated,
> >independent vaccination decisions for themselves and
> >their children.
>
> Now, who do you think is "biased?"

Well..letsee..the NVIC assumes that vaccines cause injury,
thus, they are clearly not open to the probability that
vaccines *may* cause injury, however minor...

> More laughable bias in this "response" from the NV[M]C:
>
> http://www.nvic.org/PressReleases/pr51804iom.htm
>
> >"...Failing to consider the fact that DPT and MMR vaccine
> >induced brain inflammation can lead to brain damage in
> >some children, including autism, is just one example of
> >how simplistic and superficial this analysis of the
> >relationship between vaccines and autism is. When the
> >real science comes out demonstrating that vaccines can
> >cause autism in genetically susceptible children, this
> >Committee's conclusions will be meaningless," said
> >Fisher.
> >
> >NVIC has been calling for independent, non-governmental,
> >non-industry research into the genetic and other
> >biological high risk factors of vaccine associated brain
> >and immune system dysfunction, including autism, for the
> >past two decades.
>
> The IOM started out trying to answer the question, "Do
> vaccines cause autism?"
>
> The NVIC is instead trying to prove the statement,
> "Vaccines cause autism," and is doing so by presuming the
> premise is true. The NVIC is guilty of the fallacy of
> begging the question (petitio principii).
>
> (See http://datanation.com/fallacies/begging.htm)
>
> Now, again, who is "biased?"

NVIC clearly has an agenda that is inconsistent with truth.

> >She said she would like to see research done by
> >scientists with no connections to the "public health
> >community."
> >
> >[Comment: IOW, she wants a report done by people who do
> >not know anything about what they are investigating. What
> >a stupid, moronic idea.]
>
> Yes, indeed, she wants scientists who don't care if kids
> die of vaccine preventable diseases.

Actually, I read that as her wanting plumbers, electricians,
indian chiefs, etc. to handle it.

> >Other groups also promised to continue to battle to prove
> >that vaccines cause autism.
>
> "Once almost all one's energies are expended on protecting
> one's core theory from being falsified, it is no longer
> being approached as a scientific theory but as an item of
> faith - to be defended come what may."

Yep. They have their fundmentals, and they wil not let go,
even when they have evidence that the fundamentals are
incorrect.

> >"Another flawed report -- government issued or otherwise
> >-- will not stop SafeMinds from continuing its mission to
> >foster science and educate the public," said Sallie
> >Barnard, executive director of SafeMinds, one of the
> >groups.
> >
> >[Comment: Another soon to be out of work whiner. She
> >would not know
science
> >if were stuck in her brain by the shortest route, i.e. by
> >a proctoscope.]
>
> To her, "flawed" is synonymous with "exonerates mercury,"
> no matter how well-designed the study or unbiased the
> researchers.

Disagree. To her "flawed" is synonymous with
"Disagrees with me."
 
"mdd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004" <M.a.r.k
> P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
>
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews&-
storyID=5183214&section=news
> >
> >
> > Vaccine, Preservative Do Not Cause Autism - Panel Tue 18
> > May, 2004 21:09
> >
> > By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent
> >
> > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Neither the measles, mumps and
> > rubella vaccine
nor
> a
> > mercury-based preservative used in many childhood shots
> > cause autism, a
> U.S.
> > health panel said on Tuesday.
> >
> > Researchers and parents trying to find out what causes
> > autism and its possible recent upsurge should look
> > elsewhere for a culprit, the
Institute
> > of Medicine panel said.
> >
> > "The weight of that evidence is pretty substantial,"
> > said Dr. Marie McCormick, an expert in child and mother
> > health at the Harvard School of Public Health who
> > chaired the panel.
> >
> > "The overwhelming evidence from several well-designed
> > studies indicates
> that
> > childhood vaccines are not associated with autism," she
> > added. The same holds true for a mercury-based
> > preservative called thimerosal which is
> often
> > used in vaccines, the panel found.
> >
> > Autism can affect a child's ability to learn, speak and
> > socialize. No
one
> is
> > sure precisely how many children have autism, but some
> > researchers say
it
> > could be as common as one in every 1,000 children.
> >
> > Because autism is usually diagnosed about when children
> > receive many recommended immunizations, some groups
> > believe vaccines are to blame.
> >
> > A few parents, especially in Britain, have begun to
> > refuse to vaccinate their children and outbreaks of
> > disease have been traced to unvaccinated children.
> >
> > McCormick said the diseases that are prevented by
> > vaccination were often fatal in the days when they were
> > common childhood occurrences. "These diseases that we
> > are talking about are very, very serious diseases and
> they
> > are still present in the rest of the world so, they
> > still are a plane
ride
> > away," she said.
> >
> > SIFTING THROUGH THE EVIDENCE
> >
> > The Institute's panel, which included experts in
> > pediatrics, family medicine, statistics and
> > epidemiology, had reported in 2001 that there
was
> > no proven link between vaccines and autism but said
> > there was not quite enough evidence to be definitive.
> >
> > Since then, they have reviewed five large
> > epidemiological studies done
in
> > the United States, Britain, Denmark, and Sweden that
> > found children who
> were
> > vaccinated with thimerosal-containing vaccines were no
> > more likely to
have
> > autism than children who got thimerosal-free vaccines.
> >
> > They looked at studies that reported links between
> > vaccines or
thimerosal
> > and autism, but found none of them could show a
> > connection.
> >
> > They searched for evidence of a biological explanation
> > of how
> immunizations
> > or thimerosal could cause autism, and found none. They
> > listened to
> advocates
> > and family members who believe vaccines caused autism,
> > as well.
> >
> > But some groups said the Institute's report was biased.
> >
> > "This report went beyond any other report and this is
> > why I felt it was political," Barbara Loe Fisher, who
> > founded the National Vaccine
> Information
> > Center, said in a telephone interview.
> >
> > [Comment: Ms. Fisher is out of a job. Now she can find
> > some real work to
> do.
> > The thoguht scares her.]
> >
> > She said she would like to see research done by
> > scientists with no connections to the "public health
> > community."
> >
> > [Comment: IOW, she wants a report done by people who do
> > not know
anything
> > about what they are investigating. What a stupid,
> > moronic idea.]
> >
> > Other groups also promised to continue to battle to
> > prove that vaccines cause autism.
> >
> > "Another flawed report -- government issued or otherwise
> > -- will not
stop
> > SafeMinds from continuing its mission to foster science
> > and educate the public," said Sallie Barnard, executive
> > director of SafeMinds, one of
the
> > groups.
> >
> > [Comment: Another soon to be out of work whiner. She
> > would not know
> science
> > if were stuck in her brain by the shortest route,
> > i.e. by a
proctoscope.]
> >
> > McCormick stressed that the panel was independent of any
> > vaccine maker
or
> of
> > the government and was not paid for its work. She said
> > they considered
the
> > possibility that some of the studies were biased. "We do
> > not feel that
the
> > data were manipulated," she said.
> >
> > [Comment: Of course, the whiners will find ways to trash
> > this report in
> any
> > manner they can. However, now is the time to stop
> > barking up thiese
trees,
> > and begin to look for the real causes. The die-hard
> > Realmedicine haters will, (all) naturally, blather on
> > and on about whacko conspiracies,
people
> > being bought off, etc. They have a vested interest in
> > blaming
> RealMedicine.]
> >
> >
> >
> Interesting that your "panel" had not one person who was
> not part of the conventional team.

Yes, the panel used real scientists, not alternative
"scientisit" since they were dealing with facts, not
conjecture.
 
"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >But some groups said the Institute's report was biased.
> >
> >"This report went beyond any other report and this is why
> >I felt it was political," Barbara Loe Fisher, who founded
> >the National Vaccine
Information
> >Center, said in a telephone interview
>
> >She said she would like to see research done by
> >scientists with no connections to the "public health
> >community."
>
> Comment.
>
> Mark Probert's comments show his stupidity.

Jan's comments show how she hates children and wants to see
more dead ones.
 
"mdd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]... (...)

> Interesting that your "panel" had not one person who was
> not part of the conventional team.

That's because the panel had only knowledgable scientists.

Read the report at www.nas.edu. Please tell us where the
conclusions are not supported by the data and back up your
claims with real evidence.

Jeff
 
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>
> "mdd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004" <M.a.r.k
> > P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email protected]> wrote in
> > message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> >
>
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews&-
storyID=5183214&section=news
> > >
> > >
> > > Vaccine, Preservative Do Not Cause Autism - Panel Tue
> > > 18 May, 2004 21:09
> > >
> > > By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent
> > >
> > > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Neither the measles, mumps and
> > > rubella vaccine
> nor
> > a
> > > mercury-based preservative used in many childhood
> > > shots cause autism,
a
> > U.S.
> > > health panel said on Tuesday.
> > >
> > > Researchers and parents trying to find out what causes
> > > autism and its possible recent upsurge should look
> > > elsewhere for a culprit, the
> Institute
> > > of Medicine panel said.
> > >
> > > "The weight of that evidence is pretty substantial,"
> > > said Dr. Marie McCormick, an expert in child and
> > > mother health at the Harvard School
of
> > > Public Health who chaired the panel.
> > >
> > > "The overwhelming evidence from several well-designed
> > > studies
indicates
> > that
> > > childhood vaccines are not associated with autism,"
> > > she added. The
same
> > > holds true for a mercury-based preservative called
> > > thimerosal which is
> > often
> > > used in vaccines, the panel found.
> > >
> > > Autism can affect a child's ability to learn, speak
> > > and socialize. No
> one
> > is
> > > sure precisely how many children have autism, but some
> > > researchers say
> it
> > > could be as common as one in every 1,000 children.
> > >
> > > Because autism is usually diagnosed about when
> > > children receive many recommended immunizations, some
> > > groups believe vaccines are to blame.
> > >
> > > A few parents, especially in Britain, have begun to
> > > refuse to
vaccinate
> > > their children and outbreaks of disease have been
> > > traced to
unvaccinated
> > > children.
> > >
> > > McCormick said the diseases that are prevented by
> > > vaccination were
often
> > > fatal in the days when they were common childhood
> > > occurrences. "These diseases that we are talking about
> > > are very, very serious diseases and
> > they
> > > are still present in the rest of the world so, they
> > > still are a plane
> ride
> > > away," she said.
> > >
> > > SIFTING THROUGH THE EVIDENCE
> > >
> > > The Institute's panel, which included experts in
> > > pediatrics, family medicine, statistics and
> > > epidemiology, had reported in 2001 that there
> was
> > > no proven link between vaccines and autism but said
> > > there was not
quite
> > > enough evidence to be definitive.
> > >
> > > Since then, they have reviewed five large
> > > epidemiological studies done
> in
> > > the United States, Britain, Denmark, and Sweden that
> > > found children
who
> > were
> > > vaccinated with thimerosal-containing vaccines were no
> > > more likely to
> have
> > > autism than children who got thimerosal-free vaccines.
> > >
> > > They looked at studies that reported links between
> > > vaccines or
> thimerosal
> > > and autism, but found none of them could show a
> > > connection.
> > >
> > > They searched for evidence of a biological explanation
> > > of how
> > immunizations
> > > or thimerosal could cause autism, and found none. They
> > > listened to
> > advocates
> > > and family members who believe vaccines caused autism,
> > > as well.
> > >
> > > But some groups said the Institute's report was
> > > biased.
> > >
> > > "This report went beyond any other report and this is
> > > why I felt it
was
> > > political," Barbara Loe Fisher, who founded the
> > > National Vaccine
> > Information
> > > Center, said in a telephone interview.
> > >
> > > [Comment: Ms. Fisher is out of a job. Now she can find
> > > some real work
to
> > do.
> > > The thoguht scares her.]
> > >
> > > She said she would like to see research done by
> > > scientists with no connections to the "public health
> > > community."
> > >
> > > [Comment: IOW, she wants a report done by people who
> > > do not know
> anything
> > > about what they are investigating. What a stupid,
> > > moronic idea.]
> > >
> > > Other groups also promised to continue to battle to
> > > prove that
vaccines
> > > cause autism.
> > >
> > > "Another flawed report -- government issued or
> > > otherwise -- will not
> stop
> > > SafeMinds from continuing its mission to foster
> > > science and educate
the
> > > public," said Sallie Barnard, executive director of
> > > SafeMinds, one of
> the
> > > groups.
> > >
> > > [Comment: Another soon to be out of work whiner. She
> > > would not know
> > science
> > > if were stuck in her brain by the shortest route, i.e.
> > > by a
> proctoscope.]
> > >
> > > McCormick stressed that the panel was independent of
> > > any vaccine maker
> or
> > of
> > > the government and was not paid for its work. She said
> > > they considered
> the
> > > possibility that some of the studies were biased. "We
> > > do not feel that
> the
> > > data were manipulated," she said.
> > >
> > > [Comment: Of course, the whiners will find ways to
> > > trash this report
in
> > any
> > > manner they can. However, now is the time to stop
> > > barking up thiese
> trees,
> > > and begin to look for the real causes. The die-hard
> > > Realmedicine
haters
> > > will, (all) naturally, blather on and on about whacko
> > > conspiracies,
> people
> > > being bought off, etc. They have a vested interest in
> > > blaming
> > RealMedicine.]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Interesting that your "panel" had not one person who was
> > not part of the conventional team.
>
> Yes, the panel used real scientists, not alternative
> "scientisit" since
they
> were dealing with facts, not conjecture.
>
>
>
Man, you missed the boat, again.
 
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:20040518235433.05832.00001446@mb-
> m03.aol.com...
> > >But some groups said the Institute's report was biased.
> > >
> > >"This report went beyond any other report and this is
> > >why I felt it was political," Barbara Loe Fisher, who
> > >founded the National Vaccine
> Information
> > >Center, said in a telephone interview
> >
> > >She said she would like to see research done by
> > >scientists with no connections to the "public health
> > >community."
> >
> > Comment.
> >
> > Mark Probert's comments show his stupidity.
>
> Jan's comments show how she hates children and wants to
> see more dead
ones.
>
>
>
Mark, you are one sick puppy.
 
"Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "mdd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]... (...)
>
> > Interesting that your "panel" had not one person who was
> > not part of the conventional team.
>
> That's because the panel had only knowledgable scientists.
>
> Read the report at www.nas.edu. Please tell us where the
> conclusions are
not
> supported by the data and back up your claims with real
> evidence.
>
> Jeff
>
>
Uh, jeffie, You might not know this, but, a lot of people do
not trust your "knowledgeable scientists". It might have
something to do with being lied to so many times by
"knowledgeable scientists".
 
"mdd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004" <M.a.r.k
> P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "mdd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004" <M.a.r.k
> > > P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email protected]> wrote in
> > > message news:[email protected]
> > > .cv.net...
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews&-
storyID=5183214&section=news
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Vaccine, Preservative Do Not Cause Autism - Panel
> > > > Tue 18 May, 2004 21:09
> > > >
> > > > By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent
> > > >
> > > > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Neither the measles, mumps
> > > > and rubella
vaccine
> > nor
> > > a
> > > > mercury-based preservative used in many childhood
> > > > shots cause
autism,
> a
> > > U.S.
> > > > health panel said on Tuesday.
> > > >
> > > > Researchers and parents trying to find out what
> > > > causes autism and
its
> > > > possible recent upsurge should look elsewhere for a
> > > > culprit, the
> > Institute
> > > > of Medicine panel said.
> > > >
> > > > "The weight of that evidence is pretty substantial,"
> > > > said Dr. Marie McCormick, an expert in child and
> > > > mother health at the Harvard
School
> of
> > > > Public Health who chaired the panel.
> > > >
> > > > "The overwhelming evidence from several well-
> > > > designed studies
> indicates
> > > that
> > > > childhood vaccines are not associated with autism,"
> > > > she added. The
> same
> > > > holds true for a mercury-based preservative called
> > > > thimerosal which
is
> > > often
> > > > used in vaccines, the panel found.
> > > >
> > > > Autism can affect a child's ability to learn, speak
> > > > and socialize.
No
> > one
> > > is
> > > > sure precisely how many children have autism, but
> > > > some researchers
say
> > it
> > > > could be as common as one in every 1,000 children.
> > > >
> > > > Because autism is usually diagnosed about when
> > > > children receive many recommended immunizations,
> > > > some groups believe vaccines are to
blame.
> > > >
> > > > A few parents, especially in Britain, have begun to
> > > > refuse to
> vaccinate
> > > > their children and outbreaks of disease have been
> > > > traced to
> unvaccinated
> > > > children.
> > > >
> > > > McCormick said the diseases that are prevented by
> > > > vaccination were
> often
> > > > fatal in the days when they were common childhood
> > > > occurrences.
"These
> > > > diseases that we are talking about are very, very
> > > > serious diseases
and
> > > they
> > > > are still present in the rest of the world so, they
> > > > still are a
plane
> > ride
> > > > away," she said.
> > > >
> > > > SIFTING THROUGH THE EVIDENCE
> > > >
> > > > The Institute's panel, which included experts in
> > > > pediatrics, family medicine, statistics and
> > > > epidemiology, had reported in 2001 that
there
> > was
> > > > no proven link between vaccines and autism but said
> > > > there was not
> quite
> > > > enough evidence to be definitive.
> > > >
> > > > Since then, they have reviewed five large
> > > > epidemiological studies
done
> > in
> > > > the United States, Britain, Denmark, and Sweden that
> > > > found children
> who
> > > were
> > > > vaccinated with thimerosal-containing vaccines were
> > > > no more likely
to
> > have
> > > > autism than children who got thimerosal-free
> > > > vaccines.
> > > >
> > > > They looked at studies that reported links between
> > > > vaccines or
> > thimerosal
> > > > and autism, but found none of them could show a
> > > > connection.
> > > >
> > > > They searched for evidence of a biological
> > > > explanation of how
> > > immunizations
> > > > or thimerosal could cause autism, and found none.
> > > > They listened to
> > > advocates
> > > > and family members who believe vaccines caused
> > > > autism, as well.
> > > >
> > > > But some groups said the Institute's report was
> > > > biased.
> > > >
> > > > "This report went beyond any other report and this
> > > > is why I felt it
> was
> > > > political," Barbara Loe Fisher, who founded the
> > > > National Vaccine
> > > Information
> > > > Center, said in a telephone interview.
> > > >
> > > > [Comment: Ms. Fisher is out of a job. Now she can
> > > > find some real
work
> to
> > > do.
> > > > The thoguht scares her.]
> > > >
> > > > She said she would like to see research done by
> > > > scientists with no connections to the "public health
> > > > community."
> > > >
> > > > [Comment: IOW, she wants a report done by people who
> > > > do not know
> > anything
> > > > about what they are investigating. What a stupid,
> > > > moronic idea.]
> > > >
> > > > Other groups also promised to continue to battle to
> > > > prove that
> vaccines
> > > > cause autism.
> > > >
> > > > "Another flawed report -- government issued or
> > > > otherwise -- will not
> > stop
> > > > SafeMinds from continuing its mission to foster
> > > > science and educate
> the
> > > > public," said Sallie Barnard, executive director of
> > > > SafeMinds, one
of
> > the
> > > > groups.
> > > >
> > > > [Comment: Another soon to be out of work whiner. She
> > > > would not know
> > > science
> > > > if were stuck in her brain by the shortest route,
> > > > i.e. by a
> > proctoscope.]
> > > >
> > > > McCormick stressed that the panel was independent of
> > > > any vaccine
maker
> > or
> > > of
> > > > the government and was not paid for its work. She
> > > > said they
considered
> > the
> > > > possibility that some of the studies were biased.
> > > > "We do not feel
that
> > the
> > > > data were manipulated," she said.
> > > >
> > > > [Comment: Of course, the whiners will find ways to
> > > > trash this report
> in
> > > any
> > > > manner they can. However, now is the time to stop
> > > > barking up thiese
> > trees,
> > > > and begin to look for the real causes. The die-hard
> > > > Realmedicine
> haters
> > > > will, (all) naturally, blather on and on about
> > > > whacko conspiracies,
> > people
> > > > being bought off, etc. They have a vested interest
> > > > in blaming
> > > RealMedicine.]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Interesting that your "panel" had not one person who
> > > was not part of
the
> > > conventional team.
> >
> > Yes, the panel used real scientists, not alternative
> > "scientisit" since
> they
> > were dealing with facts, not conjecture.
> >
> >
> >
> Man, you missed the boat, again.

I was aiming at the Bullseye of Truth, and scored a $0.25
shot group, like I always do.
 
"mdd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004" <M.a.r.k
> P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:20040518235433.05832.00001446@mb-
> > m03.aol.com...
> > > >But some groups said the Institute's report was
> > > >biased.
> > > >
> > > >"This report went beyond any other report and this is
> > > >why I felt it
was
> > > >political," Barbara Loe Fisher, who founded the
> > > >National Vaccine
> > Information
> > > >Center, said in a telephone interview
> > >
> > > >She said she would like to see research done by
> > > >scientists with no connections to the "public health
> > > >community."
> > >
> > > Comment.
> > >
> > > Mark Probert's comments show his stupidity.
> >
> > Jan's comments show how she hates children and wants to
> > see more dead
> ones.
> >
> >
> >
> Mark, you are one sick puppy.

Is that the best you can do?
 
mdd wrote:
> "Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "mdd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]... (...)
>>
>>> Interesting that your "panel" had not one person who was
not part
>>> of the conventional team.
>>
>> That's because the panel had only knowledgable
scientists.
>>
>> Read the report at www.nas.edu. Please tell us where the
conclusions
>> are not supported by the data and back up your claims
with real
>> evidence.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
> Uh, jeffie, You might not know this, but, a lot of people
do not
> trust your "knowledgeable scientists". It might have
something to do
> with being lied to so many times by "knowledgeable
scientists".

That would be why he invited you to review their
recommendations and let us know where they got it wrong.
he did add the very reasonable caveate that you should
include data when doing so. If you can't or won't do it
then just say so.

--
CBI, MD
 
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 19, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
[email protected]> wrote in message news:YgNqc.88225.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Man, you missed the boat, again.
>
> I was aiming at the Bullseye of Truth, and scored a $0.25
> shot group, like
I
> always do.
>
>
>
Mark, we were not talking about the high price hookers you
hire.
 
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 19, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "mdd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004" <M.a.r.k
> > P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email protected]> wrote in
> > message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:20040518235433.05832.00001446@mb-
> > > m03.aol.com...
> > > > >But some groups said the Institute's report was
> > > > >biased.
> > > > >
> > > > >"This report went beyond any other report and this
> > > > >is why I felt it
> was
> > > > >political," Barbara Loe Fisher, who founded the
> > > > >National Vaccine
> > > Information
> > > > >Center, said in a telephone interview
> > > >
> > > > >She said she would like to see research done by
> > > > >scientists with no connections to the "public
> > > > >health community."
> > > >
> > > > Comment.
> > > >
> > > > Mark Probert's comments show his stupidity.
> > >
> > > Jan's comments show how she hates children and wants
> > > to see more dead
> > ones.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Mark, you are one sick puppy.
>
> Is that the best you can do?
>
>
>
No, but I DO have some pity for you.
 
>Subject: Re: Good News! Autism NOTcaused by MMR or Thimerosal
>From: [email protected] (PF Riley)
>Date: 5/18/2004 2:03 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>As I prepared to post this exact same article, planning on
>commenting on the laughably stupid
vac morons' responses, Mark beat me to
>it.

As the world tries to eliminate all forms of mercury, there
are several morons here who are brainwashed and care nothing
about kids, nor people, it's all about EGO!!!!!

Jan
 
>Interesting that your "panel" had not one person who was
>not part of the conventional team.

B I N G O

They note, however that "because any potential risk is of
concern, and the elimination of exposure to mercury in the
form of thimerosal from vaccinesis feasible, thimerosal
should be removed from vaccines as soon aspossible."

Iatrogenic exposure to mercury after hepatitis B vaccination
in preterm infants.

Mercer University, Southern School of Pharmacy, Atlanta,
Georgia 30341, USA.

Thimerosal, a derivative of mercury, is used as a
preservative in hepatitis B vaccines. We measured total
mercury levels before and after the administration of this
vaccine in 15 preterm and 5 term infants. Comparison of pre-
and post-vaccination mercury levels showed a significant
increase in both preterm and term infants after vaccination.
Additionally, post-vaccination mercury levels were
significantly higher in preterm infants as compared with
term infants. Because mercury is known to be a potential
neurotoxin to infants, further study of its pharmacodynamics
is warranted.

http://www.altcorp.com/thimerosal.htm

Scientific Review of Vaccine Safety Datalink Information By
The US Centre for Disease Control, Simpsonwood Retreat
Center, Norcross, Georgia, June 7th-8th 2000. This meeting
was convened by the US CDC to discuss the findings of Dr.
Verstraeten in relation to the positive statistical
association between thiomersal-containing vaccines and
neurodevelopmental disorders (thiomersal is a mercury-based
preservative that has been extensively used in the UK and
US, and elsewhere). The confidential version of the study
reviewed at this meeting clearly demonstrated that an
exposure to more than 62.5 micrograms of mercury within the
first three months of life significantly increased a child's
risk of developing autism. Specifically, the study found a
2.48 times increased risk of autism. In the US, courts of
law have held that a relative increased risk of
3. or higher is sufficient to substantiate that a given
exposure causes disease (in the case of Cook v. United
States, 545 F. Supp. 306, at 308, Northern District,
California, 1982, the Court stated that "in a vaccine
case, a relative risk greater than 2.0 establishes that
there is greater than a 50% chance that the injury was
caused by the vaccine"). The key findings of the Vaccine
Safety Datalink analysis were that there was a
statistically significant association between: A
cumulative exposure to thiomersal-containing vaccines at
2 months of age and unspecified developmental delay A
cumulative exposure at three months of age and tics A
cumulative exposure at six months of age and attention
deficit disorder A cumulative exposure at 1, 3 and 6
months of age and language and speech delay A cumulative
exposure at 1, 3 and 6 months of age and
neurodevelopmental delays in general The report noted
that "the consultants were unanimous in their opinion
that further investigations should be pursued with a
degree of urgency". These are some extracted comments
from some of the key participants:
Dr. Weil: "There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data
that would suggest that we've got a serious problem"
Ds. Verstraeten: "We have found statistically significant
relationships between the exposures and outcomes for
these different exposures and outcomes. First, for two
months of age, an unspecified developmental delay which
has its own specific ICD9 code. Exposure at three months
of age, Tics. Exposure at six months of age, an
attention deficit disorder. Exposure at one, three and
six months of age, the entire category of
neurodevelopmental delays, which includes all of these
plus a number of other disorders." "Now for speech
delays, which is the largest single disorder in this
category of neurologic delays. The results are
suggestive of a trend with a small dip. The overall test
for trend is highly statically significant above one".
"After excluding this speech group, the trend is also
apparent in this group (developmental delays, less those
with speech delays) and the test for trend is also
significant for this category excluding speech".
Dt. Davis: "In terms of a search for pre-disposing
factors.....serious and chronic otitis media by history,
being mentioned by the pediatrician or the specialist,
was present 38% of the time". (US parents' note: doesn't
this sound familiar to all of you parents with autistic
children?)
Du. Johnson: "This association leads me to favour a
recommendation that infants up to two years old not be
immunised with thiomersal-containing vaccines if
suitable alternative preparations are
available......there are probably implications for this
internationally". Congress also ordered the Institute of
Medicine (IoM) to investigate the autism/MMR link, or
identify another cause(s). The IoM is a division of the
National Academy of Sciences, whose members serve as
advisers to Congress. The IoM met in 2001, and also
looked at eight other vaccine-related safety concerns.
 
"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Subject: Re: Good News! Autism NOTcaused by MMR or
> >Thimerosal From: [email protected] (PF Riley) Date:
> >5/18/2004 2:03 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
> ><[email protected]>
> >
> >As I prepared to post this exact same article, planning
> >on commenting on the laughably stupid
> vac morons' responses, Mark beat me to
> >it.
>
> As the world tries to eliminate all forms of mercury,
> there are several
morons
> here who are brainwashed and care nothing about kids, nor
> people, it's all about EGO!!!!!

********.

We care about preventing kids from contracting fatal and
crippling diseases and are overjoyed that the IOM has
exonerated thimerosal and the MMR vaccine from causing
austism. Now, the anti-vac liars, your heroes, will have to
whine about something else.