OK, I got a lot of good responses about my jacked up knees, now how about a sore Arss, know what I mean?, I rode almost 37 miles yesterday with the LBS crowd, furthest I have ever gone! felt good, no problems with my knees, payed a lot of attention to my gearing, and if it wasnt for my behind, I would like to ride a little today too. I've been wearing a good pair of shorts and used the chamois cream, still pretty tender, Im also running the stock saddle that came on my bike,(Specialized Allez Triple), so I dont know what to compare it too, great site by the way, lots of friendly people! Thanks