Does a trike put me on a collision course with traffic?

[Amy Blankenship]

"Tony B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Jack May wrote:
>
>> Will never happen becaue there are too many possible alternative energy
>> sources that will become available at much less than $10 per equivalent
>> gallon of gas.
>
> name one that is plentiful in HUGE ammounts, does not involve the whole
> world's infrastructure being replaced and does not mean food production
> will suffer heavily.
>
> oh, and you can't have "cake and a person's legs" as the answer

No danger of that from Jack. He feels that nonproductive exercise is
essentially energy neutral, but as soon as it becomes useful it's somehow
really expensive to truck in all the fuel needed to power it.

 

[Roger Zoul]

"Amy Blankenship" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Roger Zoul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "Pat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:6d677d9c-9857-4391-b94e-27e2d6b23f39@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Mar 31, 1:00 pm, ComandanteBanana <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>> Having other types of bikes in my collection, I'm about to get off the
>>> beaten path and get either a ROAD TANDEM BIKE or a FANCY UPRIGHT
>>> TRIKE. Well, I like them both but the road tandem would necessarily
>>> put me on the road AMONG THE BEASTS all the time, while the trike I
>>> can use on the back streets and on a new path being built overlooking
>>> the ocean (cool). But I'd be tempted to ride it on the streets
>>> sometimes, squarely TAKING THE LANE because then I'd be more of a
>>> vehicle.
>>>
>>> What's your thought, I'd be safer in the trike than on the road
>>> tandem, or should I start planning my funerals?
>>>
>>> WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>>
>> :>As much as I had hoped that this would be some sort of April Fool's
>> :>joke, it isn't.
>> :>
>> :>http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/buffaloerie/story/312617.html
>>
>> 3 men riding on a 3-wheeled cycle....pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase!
>
> I think they meant a three wheeler ATV...

Ok...that makes sense then...I guess the writer has never seen a trike...(a
3-wheeled cycle)

 

[Pat]

On Apr 2, 9:21 am, ComandanteBanana <[email protected]> wrote:
> You may say, "What the Banana Republic of Miami has to do with
> bicycling?" But it does. The old people in Miami voted for issues
> dealing with Castro, and not for bike facilities. They never will,
> because only the young care about it. That's why we need a Banana
> Revolution...
>
> "I'm fed up to the ears with old men dreaming up wars for young men to
> die in." -George McGovern
>
> A REVOLUTION FOR THE YOUNG?
> Sorry, guys, but this revolution is for the young --or at least for
> the young at heart-- who care about the future, and about a quality of
> life surrounding their needs.
>
> Regrettably, they are not being enticed into politics. Important
> issues like building bike facilities are kept out of the political
> discourse. Simply, cunning politicians lure the elderly, who are
> easily duped with the politics of fear*. Remember the 2000 elections
> in Miami-Dade County. In other words: the Banana Republic relies on
> the old and ignorant, while the Banana Revolution appeals to the young
> and hopeful...
>
> *80% of the young who don't vote do not live in democracy.
>
> "Well, there's no hiding the fact that bananas taste better, and don't
> contribute to Global Warming and War."
>
> http://www.zazzle.com/donquijote1954/product/235363034463138037

With all the political stuff happening in NY, I keep telling everyone
that the Dems should use it as a marketing tool. Think of the
possible slogans, like "Party Like A Democrat" or "When Democrats Say
Party, They Mean It". What party would you rather join, the party of
drugs and high-priced hookers or the party of old men in airport
stalls. Now THAT"S something to think about.

 

[ComandanteBanana]

The same way this author says...

"with the exception of the areas where the wealthy people live... the
streets are filthy"
http://banana-republic.net/

We can say the bike paths and safer roads are located where the
moneyed people are. They put up traffic calming measures, or simply
block off their streets.

ANOTHER SIGN OF BANANA REPUBLIC.

 

[Jack May]

"Tony B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:IaSdnUAwkLS8HW7aRVnyjwA@plusnet...
> Jack May wrote:
>
>> Will never happen becaue there are too many possible alternative energy
>> sources that will become available at much less than $10 per equivalent
>> gallon of gas.
>
> name one that is plentiful in HUGE ammounts, does not involve the whole
> world's infrastructure being replaced and does not mean food production
> will suffer heavily.
>
> oh, and you can't have "cake and a person's legs" as the answer

The most efficient alternative to oil at this time is switch grass probably
using genetic engineering to develop "bugs", water and sunlight to convert
it to alcohol or hydrogen in mass quantities. It looks like hydrogen can be
stored at about the same pressure as the center of Saturn using bucky tubes
while storing 8% of the bucky tube as hydrogen.

We have no choice but to switch to alternative fuels because we can't
continue much longer with oil. There is no food production involved with
switch grass and the studies are clear that it will produce a large net
energy after processing.

Lots of money going into alternative energy sources because a lot see large
amounts of money in that business along with greatly reduced fuel prices
along with green house gas reductions. There are lots of solutions that are
being pursued and some of the look like they have a fairly good chance of
going into use.

The world is not going back to living in caves without using fuel or using
bikes or transit.

 

[Jack May]

"ComandanteBanana" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Apr 1, 11:19 am, Jens Müller <[email protected]> wrote:
> ComandanteBanana schrieb:
>
> > Yeah, but if I'm riding a bike in traffic, I'm giving my back to the
> > enemy...
>
> If you are thinking about road traffic as war, you are definitely wrong
> on public highways.

>I see people getting either intimidated by it, or getting killed by
it.

>A car is a weapon.

No they are not. You are just far too stupid to survive.

 

[Amy Blankenship]

"Jack May" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Tony B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:IaSdnUAwkLS8HW7aRVnyjwA@plusnet...
>> Jack May wrote:
>>
>>> Will never happen becaue there are too many possible alternative energy
>>> sources that will become available at much less than $10 per equivalent
>>> gallon of gas.
>>
>> name one that is plentiful in HUGE ammounts, does not involve the whole
>> world's infrastructure being replaced and does not mean food production
>> will suffer heavily.
>>
>> oh, and you can't have "cake and a person's legs" as the answer
>
> The most efficient alternative to oil at this time is switch grass
> probably using genetic engineering to develop "bugs", water and sunlight
> to convert it to alcohol or hydrogen in mass quantities. It looks like
> hydrogen can be stored at about the same pressure as the center of Saturn
> using bucky tubes while storing 8% of the bucky tube as hydrogen.
>
> We have no choice but to switch to alternative fuels because we can't
> continue much longer with oil. There is no food production involved with
> switch grass and the studies are clear that it will produce a large net
> energy after processing.

Another choice we could make is to quit building our environment so that so
many fuels of all types are necessary. We have all kinds of choices...

 

[Jack May]

"Tim McNamara" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article
> <f0a6b16e-d90e-410d-84c0-8e28a6986c81@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
> ComandanteBanana <[email protected]> wrote:


> A trike is no more of a vehicle than a bicycle. The trike riders I have
> met report that drivers give them more room on the road because they are
> an unusual veicle. Drivers may assume that the rider is infirm in some
> way, too.

It seems like a lot of the trike riders are infirm. I plan on getting one
because I have a rare disease where my muscles get weaker the more that I
use them. I recover by resting to reduce the anti-bodies that attack my
muscle communications with the nerves.

On regular bike I would fall over eventually and be badly hurt. With a
trike I can stop and rest sitting on the trike seat until my muscles recover
in 10 minutes or so.

I will not be on the road but on a "pedway"along the SF Bay shoreline that
as no crossing traffic.

 

[Pat]

On Apr 2, 4:45 pm, "Amy Blankenship"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "Jack May" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
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>
>
>
>
>
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> > "Tony B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:IaSdnUAwkLS8HW7aRVnyjwA@plusnet...
> >> Jack May wrote:
>
> >>> Will never happen becaue there are too many possible alternative energy
> >>> sources that will become available at much less than $10 per equivalent
> >>> gallon of gas.
>
> >> name one that is plentiful in HUGE ammounts, does not involve the whole
> >> world's infrastructure being replaced and does not mean food production
> >> will suffer heavily.
>
> >> oh, and you can't have "cake and a person's legs" as the answer
>
> > The most efficient alternative to oil at this time is switch grass
> > probably using genetic engineering to develop "bugs", water and sunlight
> > to convert it to alcohol or hydrogen in mass quantities.  It looks like
> > hydrogen can be stored at about the same pressure as the center of Saturn
> > using bucky tubes while storing 8% of the bucky tube as hydrogen.
>
> > We have no choice but to switch to alternative fuels because we can't
> > continue much longer with oil.   There is no food production involved with
> > switch grass and the studies are clear that it will produce a large net
> > energy after processing.
>
> Another choice we could make is to quit building our environment so that so
> many fuels of all types are necessary.  We have all kinds of choices...-Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You have cause and effect backwards. You can't force the building of
society to use less fuel. You have to wait until fuel prices go up
and then society will adapt to it by re-engineering itself. The
market will prevail.

 

[Amy Blankenship]

"Pat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Apr 2, 4:45 pm, "Amy Blankenship"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Another choice we could make is to quit building our environment so that
> so
> many fuels of all types are necessary. We have all kinds of choices...-
> Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You have cause and effect backwards. You can't force the building of
society to use less fuel. You have to wait until fuel prices go up
and then society will adapt to it by re-engineering itself. The
market will prevail.

--------------------

I said choice we could make, not thing someone could force on us/we could
force on each other. I think we can choose to do things without being
forced (even by the market). But I guess in America the belief in divine
predestination has given way to the idea that we must do whatever is
cheapest. I choose free will.

 

[Tony B]

Pat wrote:
> The market will prevail.

There, in one very short sentence, is the whole problem.

It will not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

T

 

[ComandanteBanana]

"flyingman - 02 April 2008 06:09 PM
Pet peeves, are the a**holes talking on the cel going 10 miles/hour
slower than the speed limit, in the left lane on the highway. As far
as I'm concerned, once I see someone talking on a cel and driving,
they just lost all rights to any courtesy whatsoever."


To me, it's just another sign of Banana Republic. Few civilized
countries out there would allow such dangerous behavior to go
unchecked. See what the UK is doing...

(I guess NY residents are not that lucky)

Drivers face new phone penalties

Motorists who are caught using a hand-held mobile phone while driving
will have three penalty points added to their licence, the government
says.

Transport Secretary Douglas Alexander said the maximum fine would also
double to £60 from 27 February.

He added that it was "impossible to do two things at once" and that
using a mobile while driving was dangerous.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6287005.stm

 

[ComandanteBanana]

OK, I just had it with all those idiots behind the cell phone. I'm
launching...

MAD Against Cell Phone Idiots

We all know that they are more dangerous than drunk drivers, and yet
they parade their sin with pride.

By the way, why is it that in America we are proud of our sins? I've
always wondered about that whenever I see so many SUVs and motorboats
out there...

WHO WANTS TO SIT IN THE ORGANIZATION?

 

[Jens Müller]

Jack May schrieb:
> "Papa Tom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I'm not one who believes "resistance" will ever work.
>>
>> There's something about bicyclists that people just don't like. Perhaps
>> it's just jealousy. When the road was ruled by horse-drawn wagons, they
>> cursed at us and threw sticks at our spokes because we were moving too
>> fast. Now they do the same thing because we move too slowly.
>>
>> Perhaps when gas is $10 a gallon, drivers will start to see us in a
>> different light. Right now, keep your trike off the road - or face having
>> to pry it out of the grill of some jerk's Hummer.
>
> Will never happen becaue there are too many possible alternative energy
> sources that will become available at much less than $10 per equivalent
> gallon of gas.
>
>

Recently, I visited an exhibition organized by the VCD (German Traffic
Club, a traffic club focussing on ecological issues) in the German
Technical Museum in Berlin. It's name was: "ReStart - Mobility without
oil" (roughly translated). And indeed, much of the stuff there was about
how to keep on as before, only without oil. Restart the insane show we
call traffic ...

 

[Jens Müller]

ComandanteBanana schrieb:
> On Apr 1, 5:37 pm, Jens Müller <[email protected]> wrote:
>> ComandanteBanana schrieb:
>>
>>>> Bicycle parking facilities? Well, that might be the case. Facilities for
>>>> moving bicycle traffic? Here, there are much too many of them ...
>>> Nice. Most of the nation lacks those facilities.
>> No, not nice. They are actually causing completely real deaths of people.
>
> What is causing their deaths, the bike facilities?

Well, the concept of separation is causing them. The problem persists on
bike lanes (strict separation) and so-called "protection stripes"
(non-compulsory separation).

What is the English translation of "Aus den Augen, aus dem Sinn"?

 

[Tony B]

Jens Müller wrote:
It's name was: "ReStart - Mobility without
> oil" (roughly translated). And indeed, much of the stuff there was about
> how to keep on as before, only without oil. Restart the insane show we
> call traffic ...

it's not just about mobility though. How would the world look without
oil-derived plastics? Although there are probably enough plastics as it is:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7312777.stm

Still, it's easier to think "they" will sort this with a technology
solution and the world will move from one paradigm to the next in a
seamless transition. If this were indeed the case there should be more
of this new tech in use now, large scale. These tech solutions will take
time to come on stream in the sort of quantites required, meanwhile we
already have oil wars, petrol prices through the roof, food prices up
40% in the last twelve months and cities loosing electricity.. there
will be no rapture route out of this corner.

T

 

[dkahn400]

On Apr 3, 5:37 pm, Jens Müller <[email protected]> wrote:

> What is the English translation of "Aus den Augen, aus dem Sinn"?

Out of sight, out of mind.

--
Dave...

 

[Bob]

On Mar 31, 12:00 pm, ComandanteBanana <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Having other types of bikes in my collection, I'm about to get off the
> beaten path and get either a ROAD TANDEM BIKE or a FANCY UPRIGHT
> TRIKE. Well, I like them both but the road tandem would necessarily
> put me on the road AMONG THE BEASTS all the time, while the trike I
> can use on the back streets and on a new path being built overlooking
> the ocean (cool). But I'd be tempted to ride it on the streets
> sometimes, squarely TAKING THE LANE because then I'd be more of a
> vehicle.
>
> What's your thought, I'd be safer in the trike than on the road
> tandem, or should I start planning my funerals?
>
> WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

The 2006 US Census estimated the total population at just under 300
million people. According to FARS data in that same year, 773 cyclists
were killed in traffic crashes. Adding pedestrian deaths there were
just 5740 non-motorist deaths from traffic crashes that year. That
would seem to contradict your view that a significant percentage of
motorists are homicidal maniacs intent on doing cyclists harm. Either
that or the overwhelming majority of that group are *extremely
incompetent* homicidal maniacs.
Pedal your bike, not your silly fearmongering.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

 

[Jack May]

"Tony B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1bOdnZYTF5FIh2janZ2dnUVZ8qClnZ2d@plusnet...
> Jens Müller wrote:
> It's name was: "ReStart - Mobility without
>> oil" (roughly translated). And indeed, much of the stuff there was about
>> how to keep on as before, only without oil. Restart the insane show we
>> call traffic ...
>
> it's not just about mobility though. How would the world look without
> oil-derived plastics? Although there are probably enough plastics as it
> is:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7312777.stm
>
> Still, it's easier to think "they" will sort this with a technology
> solution and the world will move from one paradigm to the next in a
> seamless transition. If this were indeed the case there should be more of
> this new tech in use now, large scale. These tech solutions will take time
> to come on stream in the sort of quantites required, meanwhile we already
> have oil wars, petrol prices through the roof, food prices up 40% in the
> last twelve months and cities loosing electricity.. there will be no
> rapture route out of this corner.

The economics has to be there or there will be no transition. Why should
it be seamless? Transition is difficult and takes lots of time and money.

For you to believe transition will not happen says that you believe there
are not people out there that want to get very rich by providing solutions
for people to keep going with an acceptable or better life style.

Highly unlikely that everybody just wants to stay poor and just sit around
as society self destructs.

 

[Tom Keats]

In article <eea240bb-ce41-46a0-ae07-74805798095d@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
dkahn400 <[email protected]> writes:
> On Apr 3, 5:37 pm, Jens Müller <[email protected]> wrote:
>> What is the English translation of "Aus den Augen, aus dem Sinn"?
> Out of sight, out of mind.
> --
> Dave...

Thanx for that.

I guessed it meant (regarding bike lanes
"damned if you do; damned if you don't."


cheers,
Tom
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