poulidor said:Apologise to Sweden...
It was Finland team in 2001...
http://www.dopage.com/dopa4/fr/internet/03/model/index.php?id=0101_detail&position=0&iddossier=6&idrub=77
no problem..
poulidor said:Apologise to Sweden...
It was Finland team in 2001...
http://www.dopage.com/dopa4/fr/internet/03/model/index.php?id=0101_detail&position=0&iddossier=6&idrub=77
zlatan said:here is a articel aboult jackshe.. my german is not so good can someone translate it?
Jaksche verrät, warum er Fuentes kennthttp://www.radsport-aktiv.de/counter/newscnt.php?id=41415
Von Matthias Seng
Jaksche bestätigt im Gespräch mit Radsport aktiv, den ihm Zentrum des Skandals stehenden spanischen Arzt Eufemiano Fuentes zu kennen – allerdings nicht im Zusammenhang mit Doping. „Ich kam mit Dr. Fuentes in Kontakt, als er mich um Hilfe für seine zweijährige Tochter bat, die an Augenkrebs leidet“ sagt Jaksche. „Sie hatte schon ein Auge verloren. Um das zweite zu retten, sollte ich mich bei meinem Vater, der selber Augenarzt ist, nach einer renommierten Klinik in Deutschland erkundigen. Mit Doping hatte ich nichts zu tun.“
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I think you understood this wrongwhiteboytrash said:.... Jackshe goes onto say he knows Fuentes well because he helped him and his daughter who had a form of eye cancer and without Fuentes help she would have lost both eyes... (this is why he was filmed going into his clinic – without his daughter ??)
You have got it wrong - the doctor's daughter was ill not Jaksche's - the below taken from interview on cyclingnews.com - you may want to go and read it again?whiteboytrash said:Basically Jackshe has a hissyfit and calls Voigt a hypocrite and big girl because he used Cecchini up to 2005 and he has the nerve to question Basso (who also uses Cecchini)... Jackshe knows this because he rode with CSC in 2004.... Jackshe goes onto say he knows Fuentes well because he helped him and his daughter who had a form of eye cancer and without Fuentes help she would have lost both eyes... (this is why he was filmed going into his clinic – without his daughter ??) he then goes through all the evidence and claims how could he be in the places to receive transfusions that the evidence says he was... ie Paris Roubiax when he was in Madrid, Malaysia when he was in Europe etc. He says he has faith and still trusts Saiz and will keep working with him if he can.... umm what else ? Oh yeah he says that there are one million blokes in Spain called Jorge (I thought they were in Norway) so why is he Jorg ? (maybe because he's name is Jorge and he is an athlete)..... and the advertisements for US visas on the same page is apt because Jackshe better run for using his sick daughter as diversion from the truth and dumping big Jens in the trash !
Good guys 17 Bad guys 0
Intresting is the part about Kuala Lumpur and flying from that city to Madrid and back. That is not possible. Interesting also that the Guardia Civil, who leaked so much information to the press suddenly don't want to answer some critical questions.foxvi said:You have got it wrong - the doctor's daughter was ill not Jaksche's - the below taken from interview on cyclingnews.com - you may want to go and read it again?
Jaksche, who continues to deny that he has used performance-enhancing drugs or methods, meanwhile admitted that he was in contact with Fuentes, who according to the investigation of the Guardia Civil was the instigator of a wide-spread blood-doping network based out of Madrid. "He has a two-year old child, who suffers from a particular form of cancer, and looked to make contact with me because my father is a renowned ophtalmologist," he explained. "We have specialised clinics in Germany, and he was just trying to get information from my father to save his child's second eye, because it had lost one already. So this was the kind of relation we had, but I have nothing to do with his alleged doping activities - if they are indeed true, which only the legal procedure can establish."
I really do think the most important question at this stage is:cyclingheroes said:Intresting is the part about Kuala Lumpur and flying from that city to Madrid and back. That is not possible. Interesting also that the Guardia Civil, who leaked so much information to the press suddenly don't want to answer some critical questions.
That could be the case...acpinto said:Or... maybee the investigation was undergoing and someone apllied the right pressure to have the results quicker, no?
Any clue?cyclingheroes said:That could be the case...
acpinto - we are going to have to wait for many the questions and answers in the book CH is writing on OPuerto!acpinto said:Any clue?
Future article on cyclingheroes.info? no?
foxvi said:You have got it wrong - the doctor's daughter was ill not Jaksche's - the below taken from interview on cyclingnews.com - you may want to go and read it again?
Jaksche, who continues to deny that he has used performance-enhancing drugs or methods, meanwhile admitted that he was in contact with Fuentes, who according to the investigation of the Guardia Civil was the instigator of a wide-spread blood-doping network based out of Madrid. "He has a two-year old child, who suffers from a particular form of cancer, and looked to make contact with me because my father is a renowned ophtalmologist," he explained. "We have specialised clinics in Germany, and he was just trying to get information from my father to save his child's second eye, because it had lost one already. So this was the kind of relation we had, but I have nothing to do with his alleged doping activities - if they are indeed true, which only the legal procedure can establish."
That does not explain that Jaksche was in Madrid during the Tour de Langkawi (according to the Guardia Civil). You don't race a stage race and fly from Kuala Lumpur to Madrid and come back the same day. So if you want to know... i don't believe the Guardia Civil anymore, at least about a lot of things I don't. The reason could be that I own a house in Spain and here about Guardia scandals all the time. Nothing unusual.whiteboytrash said:I do a dodgy schoolboy German translation and you boys are onto me throwing cyclingnews translation back at me ! I don't live in Germany so I don't get to practice it enough (credit where credits due).... besides Jaksche was still filmed going into Fuentes clinic regardless of how the relationship was engaged... do you think Jorge was doing some eye consultancy on Fuentes daughter on the side from the stuff he learnt off his dad growing up ?? Geezzz what will we believe next... that the Guarda Civila leaked information or made it up to take down Basso and Ullrich so Mayo\Valverde could win ? - possible but highly unlikely.
It´s a way to explain such sloppy work from Guardia Civil.whiteboytrash said:... that the Guarda Civila leaked information or made it up to take down Basso and Ullrich so Mayo\Valverde could win ? - possible but highly unlikely.
Agreed point taken and good jousting. However we shouldn't forget; There were 200 bags of blood in the clinic along with a **** load of EPO... someone was using it and there is a lot of cyclists who just disappeared after the bust... are we sure we want to stand up for these guys ?cyclingheroes said:That does not explain that Jaksche was in Madrid during the Tour de Langkawi (according to the Guardia Civil). You don't race a stage race and fly from Kuala Lumpur to Madrid and come back the same day. So if you want to know... i don't believe the Guardia Civil anymore, at least about a lot of things I don't. The reason could be that I own a house in Spain and here about Guardia scandals all the time. Nothing unusual.
Edit: By the way, Jaksche already said last week, he would like to see the video, he does not believe he is on that video.
for me that isn´t the point!whiteboytrash said:Agreed point taken and good jousting. However we shouldn't forget; There were 200 bags of blood in the clinic along with a **** load of EPO... someone was using it and there is a lot of cyclists who just disappeared after the bust... are we sure we want to stand up for these guys ?
1. Well more than 100 blood bags were never heard of anymore, so either they have "dissapeared" or they were never there.whiteboytrash said:Agreed point taken and good jousting. However we shouldn't forget; There were 200 bags of blood in the clinic along with a **** load of EPO... someone was using it and there is a lot of cyclists who just disappeared after the bust... are we sure we want to stand up for these guys ?
You mean document number 65? If yes - that was send to a former Kelme employee in Columbia.acpinto said:for me that isn´t the point!
the point is: we found 200 bags of blood. this one as a nº1 and there´s a call from rudicio, well to make our point ( because we already know that Jan is guilty ) let´s insert Jan ullrich in that fax to colombia.
Maybee Jan and the others are guilty but this was rushed or even produced to satisfy someone. I HAVE NO DOUBT.
By the way someone can tell me wich company was the fax sent to? ( for me that could be an important piece of the puzzle.)
That i already knew.cyclingheroes said:You mean document number 65? If yes - that was send to a former Kelme employee in Columbia.
I have the number...acpinto said:That i already knew.
But if you look the document when released had the phone number blanked ( we could see the indicator of columbia but the rest was blanked ) since they didn´t bother to blank hamilton wife´s phone number i found that odd. We knew by deduction that it was fax lots of people had acess ( maybee a company ) because that fax had: to the attention ( can´t remember the name ) of the ex-kelme employee.
So why did they protected the number of the fax?
you get it from a released document or through your own investigations.cyclingheroes said:I have the number...
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