Re: The Great Don Quijote of RBM!

[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

(Not Tom) Keats wrote:
> "Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> (Not Tom) Keats wrote:
>>> "Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> message news:[email protected]...
>>>> (not Tom) Keats wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> And as far as sending republicans to Gutmo Bay is concerned (they must
>>>>> have renamed it after Sicko's visit, lol), I've heard the medical care
>>>>> there is just wonderful. Anyway the gentle souls of Gutmo Bay , in
>>>>> the zenith of good health, are going to be loosed on the world quite
>>>>> soon. You will no doubt be celebrating the occasion with your family
>>>>> and friends, yes?
>>>> Considering that most of the prisoners are there because someone turned
>>>> them in for fictional "terrorist activities" to collect bounty money,
>>>> yes.
>>>>
>>> Yes I know. *Most* imprisoned terrorists are turned in by their
>>> brother-in-laws who never liked them to begin with or were forced on into
>>> the field of battle by *others* just like *most* inmates in any prison
>>> are *innocent* of all charges. What we are doing to them is just plain
>>> *mean*.
>>> They've been humiliated enough.
>>>
>>> We should free them all, don't you think?
>> Any "we" wonder why "they" hate us?
>>
>> --
>
> "We" may wonder, but "I" don't wonder, because I got the straight skinny
> right from the horse's mouth. According to bin Laden it's because we are
> "infidels". And they will continue to hate us until we "come to Islam" and
> live under Sharia law. He has never once indicated it's because we aren't
> "nice" to them. In fact, in a jihad holy war "being nice" is considered
> weakness to be exploited.
>
> You do realize we are in a religious war with fundamentalist Islam don't
> you?

Oh ********! Almost all Muslim's consider bin Laden's religious ideas to
be wrong. The only reason they support him is because he stands up to
western imperialist bullying, unlike "President" Mubarak, King Abdullah
II, the House of Saud and other toady governments. If you actually knew
and talked to people from some Muslim countries you would realize this,
but instead you fill you head with propaganda garbage from the
government and media.

Cripes, no wonder the US is losing in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to
mention the "War on Terror".

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[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> still me? wrote:
>>> ...
>>> FWIW, the constitution has no provision for the Iraqi invasion, but
>>> that's another story.
>> The US Constitution does have a provision for the invasion of Iraq:
>>
>> "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United
>> States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction
>> of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
>
> There is no more ridiculous a figure in the world than a Bush hater like Tom
> Sherman. If only we had had Gore or Kerry, all would be right with the
> world! Maybe Hillary will lead us out of the quagmire!

Hillary the former and currently closeted Republican?

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[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> The Constitution and Bill of Rights are just scraps of paper. All that
> matters to me is the Nation of America. We need to kill our enemies before
> they kill us. What is there about this that you do not understand?

"And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin.
Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three shalt be the
number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three.
Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that
thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three,
being the third number, be reached, then, lobbest thou thy Holy Hand
Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight,
shall snuff it."

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[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

Bill Sornson wrote:
> ...(Just in time for -- God Forbid! -- Hillary...

Hillary Clinton is a corporatist and no friend of labor. Why does the
political right hate her so much?

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[A Muzi]

>> "Clive George" <[email protected]> wrote
>>> If they're not covered by the American Constitution, why are the
>>> Americans holding them?

> DI who? wrote:
>> Because they are trying to kill us...

Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> And you believe everything a government official says (or just the
> Republican ones)?

The President photoshopped all those beheadings to make the poor little
darlings look bad? Suicide bombers are fiction? Missiles into schools
and AK spray into buses all fantasy?

Tell it to Mrs Pearl...
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[Keats]

"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> (Not Tom) Keats wrote:
>> "Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message news:[email protected]...
>>> (Not Tom) Keats wrote:
>>>> "Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> message news:[email protected]...
>>>>> (not Tom) Keats wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> And as far as sending republicans to Gutmo Bay is concerned (they
>>>>>> must have renamed it after Sicko's visit, lol), I've heard the
>>>>>> medical care there is just wonderful. Anyway the gentle souls of
>>>>>> Gutmo Bay , in the zenith of good health, are going to be loosed on
>>>>>> the world quite soon. You will no doubt be celebrating the occasion
>>>>>> with your family and friends, yes?
>>>>> Considering that most of the prisoners are there because someone
>>>>> turned them in for fictional "terrorist activities" to collect bounty
>>>>> money, yes.
>>>>>
>>>> Yes I know. *Most* imprisoned terrorists are turned in by their
>>>> brother-in-laws who never liked them to begin with or were forced on
>>>> into the field of battle by *others* just like *most* inmates in any
>>>> prison are *innocent* of all charges. What we are doing to them is
>>>> just plain *mean*.
>>>> They've been humiliated enough.
>>>>
>>>> We should free them all, don't you think?
>>> Any "we" wonder why "they" hate us?
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> "We" may wonder, but "I" don't wonder, because I got the straight skinny
>> right from the horse's mouth. According to bin Laden it's because we are
>> "infidels". And they will continue to hate us until we "come to Islam"
>> and live under Sharia law. He has never once indicated it's because we
>> aren't "nice" to them. In fact, in a jihad holy war "being nice" is
>> considered weakness to be exploited.
>>
>> You do realize we are in a religious war with fundamentalist Islam don't
>> you?
>
> Oh ********! Almost all Muslim's consider bin Laden's religious ideas to
> be wrong. The only reason they support him is because he stands up to
> western imperialist bullying, unlike "President" Mubarak, King Abdullah
> II, the House of Saud and other toady governments. If you actually knew
> and talked to people from some Muslim countries you would realize this,
> but instead you fill you head with propaganda garbage from the government
> and media.
>
> Cripes, no wonder the US is losing in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention
> the "War on Terror".
>
> --

Take it easy Mr. Sunset. I'm having a hard time understanding you.

You're saying almost all Muslims consider bin Laden's religious ideas wrong
(and you know that how?), but they support him because he stands up to
western imperialist bullying, etc., etc., ad nauseam. Ok so? And we are
losing the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the so called "War on Terror"
because we aren't nice?

I saw a poll not long ago that claimed 75% of the US Muslims disapproved of
suicide bombing. That's fine, but it's the other 25% that worry me.

Keats

 

[Tim McNamara]

In article <[email protected]>,
"Keats" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "We" may wonder, but "I" don't wonder, because I got the straight
> skinny right from the horse's mouth. According to bin Laden it's
> because we are "infidels". And they will continue to hate us until
> we "come to Islam" and live under Sharia law. He has never once
> indicated it's because we aren't "nice" to them. In fact, in a jihad
> holy war "being nice" is considered weakness to be exploited.

That is the simplistic construction but I think it has a lot going for
it. The "death tapes" produced by various suicide bombers have made it
quite clear what their motivation is. I see no reason to disbelieve
their simple, clear, fervent statements. Bush is wrong again- "they"
don't "hate us for our freedom," They hate us because we are not
Muslim. They hate us for supporting Israel over the Palestinians. They
hate us because of the failure of much of the Middle East to get out of
the Middle Ages, for which it is easier to blame the modern world than
the strictures of the extremist elements of Islam which prevent
modernizing. There are other economic, social and cultural factors as
well, which allow for the rampant, virulently hate-filled version of
Islam to exist.

By comparison there are many moderate Muslims whom I have met, primarily
through work. They are pleasant, generous people who work hard. They
are typically quiet and unassuming, a bit outside of the American
mainstream and aware of it but not necessarily uncomfortable with it-
and more than willing to explain their understanding of their religion
with people who ask about it with sincerity. I find them only
superficially different from the moderate Christians and moderate Jews
that I know. I know very few people of other faiths- just one Hindu and
a few Buddhists, not enough to claim any sort of understanding of the
cultural aspects of their religions. I have studied a lot of Buddhist
texts over the past 30 years and find much of high merit there, but have
had little contact with Buddhists (by which I mean people who grew up in
Buddhism, not Western converts. I know quite a few of the latter and
occasionally consider myself among them. Except that I am *such* a
crappy Buddhist when it comes to applying the principles to my daily
life).

> You do realize we are in a religious war with fundamentalist Islam
> don't you?

However, I would quibble with your use of the term "fundamentalist
Islam" and would instead suggest "radical Islamists." Fundamentalists
are not necessarily radicals and radicals usually have twisted the
fundamentals of a faith to suit their agenda. We see it in the US with
the Christianists too, the main difference being that they are not
currently as violent as the radical Islamists. They have been in the
past, however- just tonight on TV I watched a member of the Ku Klux Klan
proudly proclaim that the KKK was a "terror group" 40 years ago. They
often justify their terrorism with perversions of Christian theology.

I would say that I fear the American Christianists more than I fear the
radical Islamists. For one thing, the Christianists are just as nuts;
for another, there are far more of them than Islamists in the US.

 

[Bill Sornson]

Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> Bill Sornson wrote:
>> ...(Just in time for -- God Forbid! -- Hillary...

> Hillary Clinton is a corporatist

You mean because she trashes Exxon-Mobil while secretly owning its stock?
LOL

> and no friend of labor.

Yeah, but Labor doesn't recognize this.

> Why does the
> political right hate her so much?

For the same reason the political left loves her so much. (Hint: lies and
opportunism.)

 

[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

Keats wrote:
> "Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> (Not Tom) Keats wrote:
>>> "Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> message news:[email protected]...
>>>> (Not Tom) Keats wrote:
>>>>> "Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>> message news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> (not Tom) Keats wrote:
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> And as far as sending republicans to Gutmo Bay is concerned (they
>>>>>>> must have renamed it after Sicko's visit, lol), I've heard the
>>>>>>> medical care there is just wonderful. Anyway the gentle souls of
>>>>>>> Gutmo Bay , in the zenith of good health, are going to be loosed on
>>>>>>> the world quite soon. You will no doubt be celebrating the occasion
>>>>>>> with your family and friends, yes?
>>>>>> Considering that most of the prisoners are there because someone
>>>>>> turned them in for fictional "terrorist activities" to collect bounty
>>>>>> money, yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes I know. *Most* imprisoned terrorists are turned in by their
>>>>> brother-in-laws who never liked them to begin with or were forced on
>>>>> into the field of battle by *others* just like *most* inmates in any
>>>>> prison are *innocent* of all charges. What we are doing to them is
>>>>> just plain *mean*.
>>>>> They've been humiliated enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> We should free them all, don't you think?
>>>> Any "we" wonder why "they" hate us?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> "We" may wonder, but "I" don't wonder, because I got the straight skinny
>>> right from the horse's mouth. According to bin Laden it's because we are
>>> "infidels". And they will continue to hate us until we "come to Islam"
>>> and live under Sharia law. He has never once indicated it's because we
>>> aren't "nice" to them. In fact, in a jihad holy war "being nice" is
>>> considered weakness to be exploited.
>>>
>>> You do realize we are in a religious war with fundamentalist Islam don't
>>> you?
>> Oh ********! Almost all Muslim's consider bin Laden's religious ideas to
>> be wrong. The only reason they support him is because he stands up to
>> western imperialist bullying, unlike "President" Mubarak, King Abdullah
>> II, the House of Saud and other toady governments. If you actually knew
>> and talked to people from some Muslim countries you would realize this,
>> but instead you fill you head with propaganda garbage from the government
>> and media.
>>
>> Cripes, no wonder the US is losing in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention
>> the "War on Terror".
>>
>> --
>
> Take it easy Mr. Sunset. I'm having a hard time understanding you.
>
> You're saying almost all Muslims consider bin Laden's religious ideas wrong
> (and you know that how?),

I happen to personally know Muslim's that live in some of these
countries. The general attitude is "US government bad, most US people good."

> but they support him because he stands up to
> western imperialist bullying, etc., etc., ad nauseam. Ok so? And we are
> losing the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the so called "War on Terror"
> because we aren't nice?

The only way to win a war of conquest over a reluctant population is
genocide.

> I saw a poll not long ago that claimed 75% of the US Muslims disapproved of
> suicide bombing. That's fine, but it's the other 25% that worry me.

How is suicide bombing more immoral than any other type of bombing? In
late March and April 2003, before the Iraqi occupation resistance had
begun to fight and prove Kenneth Adelman's "cakewalk" prediction and
Bush's "major combat operations have ended" pronouncement wrong, most
USians supporting the bombing of Iraq.

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[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

Bill "Sorni" Sornson wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>> ...(Just in time for -- God Forbid! -- Hillary...
>
>> Hillary Clinton is a corporatist
>
> You mean because she trashes Exxon-Mobil while secretly owning its stock?
> LOL
>
>> and no friend of labor.
>
> Yeah, but Labor doesn't recognize this.

Actually, the Republican's better hope that Hillary Clinton wins the
Democratic nomination, since she turns off labor more than any
Democratic candidate since Joe Lieberman (who has been elected in large
part by cross-voting Republicans).

>> Why does the
>> political right hate her so much?
>
> For the same reason the political left loves her so much. (Hint: lies and
> opportunism.)

If Sorni knew what he was talking about he would know that no one on the
US left likes Hillary Clinton (and they didn't like Bill either).

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[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> "Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> message news:[email protected]...
>>>> still me? wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> FWIW, the constitution has no provision for the Iraqi invasion, but
>>>>> that's another story.
>>>> The US Constitution does have a provision for the invasion of Iraq:
>>>>
>>>> "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United
>>>> States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction
>>>> of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
>>> There is no more ridiculous a figure in the world than a Bush hater like
>>> Tom Sherman. If only we had had Gore or Kerry, all would be right with
>>> the world! Maybe Hillary will lead us out of the quagmire!
>> Hillary the former and currently closeted Republican?
>
> You had better get your head screwed on straight. Hillary was the wife of
> Bill, who was a liberal if nothing else.

Only on matters of reproductive/sexual behavior.

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[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> ...
> The only bullshitter here is Tom Sherman. Fundamentalist Islam (Wahabism out
> of Saudi Arabia) is the mortal enemy of civilization. They want to take the
> world back to the Middle Ages. That is where I would like to see Tom Sherman
> go too. Then Saint Edward the Great would see to it that he was properly
> stoned to death for all his transgressions against Christianity and common
> human decency....

Like this
<http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/when_to_stone_your_whole_family/dt13_06-08.html>?

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[Bill Sornson]

Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> Bill "Sorni" Sornson wrote:
>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>> ...(Just in time for -- God Forbid! -- Hillary...
>>
>>> Hillary Clinton is a corporatist
>>
>> You mean because she trashes Exxon-Mobil while secretly owning its
>> stock? LOL
>>
>>> and no friend of labor.
>>
>> Yeah, but Labor doesn't recognize this.
>
> Actually, the Republican's better hope that Hillary Clinton wins the
> Democratic nomination, since she turns off labor more than any
> Democratic candidate since Joe Lieberman (who has been elected in
> large part by cross-voting Republicans).
>
>>> Why does the
>>> political right hate her so much?
>>
>> For the same reason the political left loves her so much. (Hint: lies
>> and opportunism.)
>
> If Sorni knew what he was talking about he would know that no one on
> the US left likes Hillary Clinton (and they didn't like Bill either).

You're delusional, Tom. (Otherwise, insightful commentary!)

 

[Bill Sornson]

Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> Edward Dolan wrote:

>> You had better get your head screwed on straight. Hillary was the
>> wife of Bill, who was a liberal if nothing else.

> Only on matters of reproductive/sexual behavior.

Red herring. (Hint: he was sued for sexual harrassment by Paula Jones, and
LIED UNDER OATH in the course of his defense. He also coerced perjury from
Monica Lewinsky. Then there's Kathleen "forced to rub his" ***** and Anita
Broderick and...well, at least one other. These matters were NOT about sex
or affairs; they were about illegal, abusive behavior and lies and worse to
cover it up. Monica was just...a vessel.)

Bill "I suppose they should be grateful he didn't Vince Foster 'em" S.

 

[Keats]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Tim McNamara" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Keats" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> "We" may wonder, but "I" don't wonder, because I got the straight
>>> skinny right from the horse's mouth. According to bin Laden it's
>>> because we are "infidels". And they will continue to hate us until
>>> we "come to Islam" and live under Sharia law. He has never once
>>> indicated it's because we aren't "nice" to them. In fact, in a jihad
>>> holy war "being nice" is considered weakness to be exploited.
>>
>> That is the simplistic construction but I think it has a lot going for
>> it. The "death tapes" produced by various suicide bombers have made it
>> quite clear what their motivation is. I see no reason to disbelieve
>> their simple, clear, fervent statements. Bush is wrong again- "they"
>> don't "hate us for our freedom," They hate us because we are not
>> Muslim. They hate us for supporting Israel over the Palestinians. They
>> hate us because of the failure of much of the Middle East to get out of
>> the Middle Ages, for which it is easier to blame the modern world than
>> the strictures of the extremist elements of Islam which prevent
>> modernizing. There are other economic, social and cultural factors as
>> well, which allow for the rampant, virulently hate-filled version of
>> Islam to exist.
>
> My God, I can't believe it! Jim McNamara is finally saying something
> sensible!
>

<snip>

Err......Ed, it's Tim McNamara not Jim McNamara. Thought you would want to
know. Seems Jim still hasn't said anything sensible.

(not Tom) Keats

 

[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> ...I would like to drop an atom bomb on your confounded head!...

Hey Ed, it is supposed to be a (clearly labeled) 16-ton weight that
falls on people.

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[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Tim McNamara" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Keats" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> "We" may wonder, but "I" don't wonder, because I got the straight
>>> skinny right from the horse's mouth. According to bin Laden it's
>>> because we are "infidels". And they will continue to hate us until
>>> we "come to Islam" and live under Sharia law. He has never once
>>> indicated it's because we aren't "nice" to them. In fact, in a jihad
>>> holy war "being nice" is considered weakness to be exploited.
>> That is the simplistic construction but I think it has a lot going for
>> it. The "death tapes" produced by various suicide bombers have made it
>> quite clear what their motivation is. I see no reason to disbelieve
>> their simple, clear, fervent statements. Bush is wrong again- "they"
>> don't "hate us for our freedom," They hate us because we are not
>> Muslim. They hate us for supporting Israel over the Palestinians. They
>> hate us because of the failure of much of the Middle East to get out of
>> the Middle Ages, for which it is easier to blame the modern world than
>> the strictures of the extremist elements of Islam which prevent
>> modernizing. There are other economic, social and cultural factors as
>> well, which allow for the rampant, virulently hate-filled version of
>> Islam to exist.
>
> My God, I can't believe it! Jim McNamara is finally saying something
> sensible!

Er Ed,

JIM McNamara lives in the north side of Chicago and rides a P-38.

TIM McNamara lives in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota and rides uprights.

Please keep your McNamara's straight.

>> By comparison there are many moderate Muslims whom I have met, primarily
>> through work. They are pleasant, generous people who work hard. They
>> are typically quiet and unassuming, a bit outside of the American
>> mainstream and aware of it but not necessarily uncomfortable with it-
>> and more than willing to explain their understanding of their religion
>> with people who ask about it with sincerity. I find them only
>> superficially different from the moderate Christians and moderate Jews
>> that I know. I know very few people of other faiths- just one Hindu and
>> a few Buddhists, not enough to claim any sort of understanding of the
>> cultural aspects of their religions. I have studied a lot of Buddhist
>> texts over the past 30 years and find much of high merit there, but have
>> had little contact with Buddhists (by which I mean people who grew up in
>> Buddhism, not Western converts. I know quite a few of the latter and
>> occasionally consider myself among them. Except that I am *such* a
>> crappy Buddhist when it comes to applying the principles to my daily
>> life).
>
> Forget Buddhism! Just another crappy, nutty religion which came out of
> India. India is an insane asylum of religions. I mean it just does not get
> any worse than that. But Hinduism is my favorite. It permits starvation in
> the streets. You know, all that **** about class and reincarnation!
>
>>> You do realize we are in a religious war with fundamentalist Islam
>>> don't you?
>> However, I would quibble with your use of the term "fundamentalist
>> Islam" and would instead suggest "radical Islamists." Fundamentalists
>> are not necessarily radicals and radicals usually have twisted the
>> fundamentals of a faith to suit their agenda. We see it in the US with
>> the Christianists too, the main difference being that they are not
>> currently as violent as the radical Islamists. They have been in the
>> past, however- just tonight on TV I watched a member of the Ku Klux Klan
>> proudly proclaim that the KKK was a "terror group" 40 years ago. They
>> often justify their terrorism with perversions of Christian theology.
>
> You will go awfully astray if you attempt to compare fundamentalist
> Christians with fundamentalist Muslims. Christians have not been murdering
> anyone for quite some time now. This is the 21st century. What excuse can
> you dredge up for the Muslim murderers other than their medieval mentality.
> Islam has kept them permanently retarded and stupid.
>
>> I would say that I fear the American Christianists more than I fear the
>> radical Islamists. For one thing, the Christianists are just as nuts;
>> for another, there are far more of them than Islamists in the US.
>
> Yup, I knew it! Jim McNamara is just too god damn stupid himself ever to
> arrive at any sound conclusions about anything. And this jerk attended
> Loyola, a renown institution of Catholic education in Chicago.

Nope, wrong McNamara again. TIM McNamara went to St. Mary's University,
not Loyola.

> The Islamists would not amount to anything provided there were no weapons of
> mass destruction. That changes everything. Too bad liberals are forever too
> stupid to realize this brute fact.

And now for something completely different...

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[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

Bill "Sorni" Sornson wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> Bill "Sorni" Sornson wrote:
>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>>> ...(Just in time for -- God Forbid! -- Hillary...
>>>> Hillary Clinton is a corporatist
>>> You mean because she trashes Exxon-Mobil while secretly owning its
>>> stock? LOL
>>>
>>>> and no friend of labor.
>>> Yeah, but Labor doesn't recognize this.
>> Actually, the Republican's better hope that Hillary Clinton wins the
>> Democratic nomination, since she turns off labor more than any
>> Democratic candidate since Joe Lieberman (who has been elected in
>> large part by cross-voting Republicans).
>>
>>>> Why does the
>>>> political right hate her so much?
>>> For the same reason the political left loves her so much. (Hint: lies
>>> and opportunism.)
>> If Sorni knew what he was talking about he would know that no one on
>> the US left likes Hillary Clinton (and they didn't like Bill either).
>
> You're delusional, Tom. (Otherwise, insightful commentary!)

Hey Sorni,

Go to your library and check out some of the left/progressive magazines
to see what they say about the Clintons. Or just check out some of the
websites of collected opinions. You will hardly find any support for
either of them, other than as the "lesser evil".

Don't believe what the "left" says/writes based on what you hear on the
radio.

--
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[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

Bill "Sorni" Sornson wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>>> You had better get your head screwed on straight. Hillary was the
>>> wife of Bill, who was a liberal if nothing else.
>
>> Only on matters of reproductive/sexual behavior.
>
> Red herring. (Hint: he was sued for sexual harrassment by Paula Jones, and
> LIED UNDER OATH in the course of his defense. He also coerced perjury from
> Monica Lewinsky. Then there's Kathleen "forced to rub his" ***** and Anita
> Broderick and...well, at least one other. These matters were NOT about sex
> or affairs; they were about illegal, abusive behavior and lies and worse to
> cover it up. Monica was just...a vessel.)
>
> Bill "I suppose they should be grateful he didn't Vince Foster 'em" S.

Other than not supporting the agenda of the "Christian Coalition" in
1996, what substantive differences were there in the platforms of Bill
Clinton and Bob Dole?

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[Tim McNamara]

In article <[email protected]>,
"Bill Sornson" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> >> You had better get your head screwed on straight. Hillary was the
> >> wife of Bill, who was a liberal if nothing else.
>
> > Only on matters of reproductive/sexual behavior.
>
> Red herring.

You missed the point. Clinton from a policy perspective was quite
conservative. I recently had a chat with someone who worked in
Clinton's budget office, who stated that the Clinton Administration
quietly de-funded hundreds of "liberal" programs and policy initiatives.
Bill Clinton was arguably one of the most successful Republican
presidents of the past 50 years, if examined from a policy perspective
rather than a party affiliation perspective. Clinton only looked
liberal by contrast because Gingrich et al were insane.