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  1. Hello everyone

    I have a 2004 Trek 1000 road bike, with about 1700 km on the close, which
    has Shimano Sora group set - double chain ring. Generally I am happy with
    the bike given its low price anyhow....

    Lately, when I change from large chain ring to small one the chain simply
    drops off (every 3rd-4th change).
    Once it even did so when going from small to large chain ring.

    I wonder if anyone can shed some light on this? My LBS checked it and in
    test could not fault it. The only advice they could offer me was to change a
    few rear cogs up/down so that the chain is more or less "straight" when I am
    about to change from small to large chain ring or vice versa. I have been
    trying this and it certainly does help somewhat but I can not help thinking
    this is all rather odd.

    Is this as good as it gets with Sora? Is there anything else that can be
    done/adjusted? The LBS did adjust the chain and pronounced it good.

    Will a 105 or Ultegra group set suffer from the same gear-change problem?

    thank you

  2. Yuri Budilov said:

    Lately, when I change from large chain ring to small one the chain simply
    drops off (every 3rd-4th change).

    My LBS checked it and in
    test could not fault it. The only advice they could offer me was to change
    a
    few rear cogs up/down so that the chain is more or less "straight" when I
    am
    about to change from small to large chain ring or vice versa.

    It's generally a good idea to shift to the small front ring before you get
    to the largest rear cogs (and vice versa).

    Quoted message said:

    Is this as good as it gets with Sora? Is there anything else that can be
    done/adjusted? The LBS did adjust the chain and pronounced it good.

    Will a 105 or Ultegra group set suffer from the same gear-change problem?

    I don't think there's any inherent difference betweeen Sora, 105, and
    Ultegra in this regard.

    I think you should be able to eliminate the drop offs by:

    1) Adjusting the limit screws on the front derailleur.

    2) Having some slack in the cable tension when on the small ring.

    3) Getting the derailleur cage as close as possible to the teeth on the big
    ring (~1mm).

    4) Adjusting the angle of the derailleur cage slightly (as viewed from
    above).

    See:
    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/derailer-adjustment.html#front

    and

    http://www.parktool.com/repair_help/howfix_frontderailleur.shtml

    Art Harris

  3. yuri-<< Lately, when I change from large chain ring to small one the chain
    simply
    drops off (every 3rd-4th change).
    Once it even did so when going from small to large chain ring. >><BR><BR>
    << The only advice they could offer me was to change a
    few rear cogs up/down so that the chain is more or less "straight" when I am
    about to change >><BR><BR>

    Third Eye or Jumpstop chain watcher. A plastic doo-dad that will prevent your
    chain from falling off the small ring. Not uncommon with any lever mounted
    shifting systems.

    Peter Chisholm
    Vecchio's Bicicletteria
    1833 Pearl St.
    Boulder, CO, 80302
    (303)440-3535
    http://www.vecchios.com
    "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

  4. Quoted message said:

    Lately, when I change from large chain ring to small one the chain simply
    drops off (every 3rd-4th change).
    Once it even did so when going from small to large chain ring.

    As Peter (Qui si parla Campagnolo) mentioned, the Chain Watcher will
    eliminate the possibility of the chain coming off. Another option is that
    it's possible your chain is worn out. You don't have enough mileage per se
    for that to be an issue, unless your chain is worn due to being dirty &
    neglected; that can wear out a chain faster than the miles would indicate.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

    "Yuri Budilov" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hello everyone

    I have a 2004 Trek 1000 road bike, with about 1700 km on the close, which
    has Shimano Sora group set - double chain ring. Generally I am happy with
    the bike given its low price anyhow....

    Lately, when I change from large chain ring to small one the chain simply
    drops off (every 3rd-4th change).
    Once it even did so when going from small to large chain ring.

    I wonder if anyone can shed some light on this? My LBS checked it and in
    test could not fault it. The only advice they could offer me was to change
    a
    few rear cogs up/down so that the chain is more or less "straight" when I
    am
    about to change from small to large chain ring or vice versa. I have been
    trying this and it certainly does help somewhat but I can not help
    thinking
    this is all rather odd.

    Is this as good as it gets with Sora? Is there anything else that can be
    done/adjusted? The LBS did adjust the chain and pronounced it good.

    Will a 105 or Ultegra group set suffer from the same gear-change problem?

    thank you

  5. I think your statement about chain drop is inaccurate. I've only had the
    chain drop once, and that was with an Ultegra front derailleur which was a
    braze on (can you say flexy as hell!!).

    I have a 105 bike, and this has NEVER happened, on my two Dura Ace bikes its
    NEVER happened.

    I suggest that the LBS is either a) too lazy to properly set up the bike or
    b) the chain is worn or dirty and that is a maintenace issue.

    "Qui si parla Campagnolo " <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    yuri-<< Lately, when I change from large chain ring to small one the chain
    simply
    drops off (every 3rd-4th change).
    Once it even did so when going from small to large chain ring. >><BR><BR>
    << The only advice they could offer me was to change a
    few rear cogs up/down so that the chain is more or less "straight" when I
    am
    about to change >><BR><BR>

    Third Eye or Jumpstop chain watcher. A plastic doo-dad that will prevent
    your
    chain from falling off the small ring. Not uncommon with any lever mounted
    shifting systems.

    Peter Chisholm
    Vecchio's Bicicletteria
    1833 Pearl St.
    Boulder, CO, 80302
    (303)440-3535
    http://www.vecchios.com
    "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

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  6. Mike-<< As Peter (Qui si parla Campagnolo) mentioned, the Chain Watcher will
    eliminate the possibility of the chain coming off. >><BR><BR>

    Would love to see framesets with a bracket to attach these things as standard.
    Particularly for framesets with BB lugsets that prevent it, like some Calfees
    and Trek...

    Peter Chisholm
    Vecchio's Bicicletteria
    1833 Pearl St.
    Boulder, CO, 80302
    (303)440-3535
    http://www.vecchios.com
    "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

  7. Mike-<< As Peter (Qui si parla Campagnolo) mentioned, the Chain Watcher will
    eliminate the possibility of the chain coming off. >><BR><BR>

    Would love to see framesets with a bracket to attach these things as standard.
    Particularly for framesets with BB lugsets that prevent it, like some Calfees
    and Trek...

    Peter Chisholm
    Vecchio's Bicicletteria
    1833 Pearl St.
    Boulder, CO, 80302
    (303)440-3535
    http://www.vecchios.com
    "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

  8. Quoted message said:

    Mike-<< As Peter (Qui si parla Campagnolo) mentioned, the Chain Watcher
    will
    eliminate the possibility of the chain coming off. >><BR><BR>

    Would love to see framesets with a bracket to attach these things as
    standard.
    Particularly for framesets with BB lugsets that prevent it, like some
    Calfees
    and Trek...

    You got that right! Would be wonderful if they'd think about this sort of
    thing ahead of time, but sometimes the engineers just don't get it...
    they're thinking that no racer would ever want that sort of thing on their
    bike, nor would they. We almost got it when the E-type derailleurs came
    out.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

    "Qui si parla Campagnolo " <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Mike-<< As Peter (Qui si parla Campagnolo) mentioned, the Chain Watcher
    will
    eliminate the possibility of the chain coming off. >><BR><BR>

    Would love to see framesets with a bracket to attach these things as
    standard.
    Particularly for framesets with BB lugsets that prevent it, like some
    Calfees
    and Trek...

    Peter Chisholm
    Vecchio's Bicicletteria
    1833 Pearl St.
    Boulder, CO, 80302
    (303)440-3535
    http://www.vecchios.com
    "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

  9. Quoted message said:

    I think your statement about chain drop is inaccurate. I've only had the
    chain drop once, and that was with an Ultegra front derailleur which was a
    braze on (can you say flexy as hell!!).

    I have a 105 bike, and this has NEVER happened, on my two Dura Ace bikes
    its NEVER happened.

    Life is treating you well!

    Quoted message said:

    I suggest that the LBS is either a) too lazy to properly set up the bike

    Not too likely in Peter's case, nor mine. We go to great trouble making
    bikes work as well as possible, since happier bike riders ride more, infect
    friends with the bike bug, and are very good for business.

    Quoted message said:

    or b) the chain is worn or dirty and that is a maintenace issue.

    Worn & dirty chains definitely make things worse; my chain is far more
    likely to shift off the inside when it's got over 1500 miles on it (before
    that it's rare); I generally replace it at about 1800 miles. Still within
    the established limits of wear, but shifting is definitely better with a new
    chain.

    Cleanliness helps as well; a clean & lubed chain is definitely a happier
    chain. However, if you've got a bike with very short chainstays, a
    wide-range rear cassette and a front chainring combo that's at the limits of
    the derailleur's capacity, and/or tend to shift from the large to small
    front when you're already on one of the two largest rear cogs, you're far
    more likely to have issues with the chain coming off the inside.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

    "JayofMontreal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I think your statement about chain drop is inaccurate. I've only had the
    chain drop once, and that was with an Ultegra front derailleur which was a
    braze on (can you say flexy as hell!!).

    I have a 105 bike, and this has NEVER happened, on my two Dura Ace bikes
    its NEVER happened.

    I suggest that the LBS is either a) too lazy to properly set up the bike
    or b) the chain is worn or dirty and that is a maintenace issue.

    "Qui si parla Campagnolo " <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    yuri-<< Lately, when I change from large chain ring to small one the
    chain
    simply
    drops off (every 3rd-4th change).
    Once it even did so when going from small to large chain ring. >><BR><BR>
    << The only advice they could offer me was to change a
    few rear cogs up/down so that the chain is more or less "straight" when I
    am
    about to change >><BR><BR>

    Third Eye or Jumpstop chain watcher. A plastic doo-dad that will prevent
    your
    chain from falling off the small ring. Not uncommon with any lever
    mounted
    shifting systems.

    Peter Chisholm
    Vecchio's Bicicletteria
    1833 Pearl St.
    Boulder, CO, 80302
    (303)440-3535
    http://www.vecchios.com
    "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

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  10. thanks all

    More info: my chain/bike/groupset has done ~1700 km (1100 miles) since early
    Jan 2004. It gets a lube from LBS every 800 km or so. I am not sure how long
    Sora chain should last. Any guesses? I ride on dry road 90% of the time and
    never ride when raining. It also started skipping on small ring/small rear
    cog, sometimes, I know I should stay away from those gear combinations but
    sometimes it is hard for a novice rider like me....

    Should I buy a 105 or Ultegra chain to replace the Sora chain - will this
    help shifting and chain dropping problems on Trek 1000?

    I will hunt for Chain Watcher/ThirdEye/Jumpstop in the meantime, sounds like
    what the doctor ordered. Thanks!

    "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Lately, when I change from large chain ring to small one the chain simply
    drops off (every 3rd-4th change).
    Once it even did so when going from small to large chain ring.

    As Peter (Qui si parla Campagnolo) mentioned, the Chain Watcher will
    eliminate the possibility of the chain coming off. Another option is that
    it's possible your chain is worn out. You don't have enough mileage per
    se for that to be an issue, unless your chain is worn due to being dirty &
    neglected; that can wear out a chain faster than the miles would indicate.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

    "Yuri Budilov" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hello everyone

    I have a 2004 Trek 1000 road bike, with about 1700 km on the close, which
    has Shimano Sora group set - double chain ring. Generally I am happy with
    the bike given its low price anyhow....

    Lately, when I change from large chain ring to small one the chain simply
    drops off (every 3rd-4th change).
    Once it even did so when going from small to large chain ring.

    I wonder if anyone can shed some light on this? My LBS checked it and in
    test could not fault it. The only advice they could offer me was to
    change a
    few rear cogs up/down so that the chain is more or less "straight" when I
    am
    about to change from small to large chain ring or vice versa. I have been
    trying this and it certainly does help somewhat but I can not help
    thinking
    this is all rather odd.

    Is this as good as it gets with Sora? Is there anything else that can be
    done/adjusted? The LBS did adjust the chain and pronounced it good.

    Will a 105 or Ultegra group set suffer from the same gear-change problem?

    thank you

  11. Quoted message said:

    More info: my chain/bike/groupset has done ~1700 km (1100 miles) since
    early Jan 2004. It gets a lube from LBS every 800 km or so. I am not sure
    how long Sora chain should last. Any guesses? I ride on dry road 90% of
    the time and never ride when raining. It also started skipping on small
    ring/small rear cog, sometimes, I know I should stay away from those gear
    combinations but sometimes it is hard for a novice rider like me....

    Not sure what it means when you say you never ride in the rain, but ride on
    "dry" roads 90% of the time. What's going on the other 10%? If you're
    riding on wet roads, you might as well be riding in the rain, and it's
    possible that rain might even be preferable (in terms of washing grit off
    your drivetrain in a heavy downpour... been there, seen that).

    Lubing every 800km may not be adequate, particularly if you're seeing wet
    roads.

    Quoted message said:

    Should I buy a 105 or Ultegra chain to replace the Sora chain - will this
    help shifting and chain dropping problems on Trek 1000?

    The '105 & Ultegra chains aren't compatible with your 8-speed system. The
    best chain I've found is the HG91, but they're rather expensive and mainly
    have benefits in ways that are relevant to mountain bikes (stronger side
    link connections). An appropriate KMC chain won't cost too much and should
    work very nicely.

    Quoted message said:

    I will hunt for Chain Watcher/ThirdEye/Jumpstop in the meantime, sounds
    like what the doctor ordered. Thanks!

    Yep, the darned things do exactly what they're supposed to.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

    "Yuri Budilov" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    thanks all

    More info: my chain/bike/groupset has done ~1700 km (1100 miles) since
    early Jan 2004. It gets a lube from LBS every 800 km or so. I am not sure
    how long Sora chain should last. Any guesses? I ride on dry road 90% of
    the time and never ride when raining. It also started skipping on small
    ring/small rear cog, sometimes, I know I should stay away from those gear
    combinations but sometimes it is hard for a novice rider like me....

    Should I buy a 105 or Ultegra chain to replace the Sora chain - will this
    help shifting and chain dropping problems on Trek 1000?

    I will hunt for Chain Watcher/ThirdEye/Jumpstop in the meantime, sounds
    like what the doctor ordered. Thanks!

    "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Lately, when I change from large chain ring to small one the chain
    simply
    drops off (every 3rd-4th change).
    Once it even did so when going from small to large chain ring.

    As Peter (Qui si parla Campagnolo) mentioned, the Chain Watcher will
    eliminate the possibility of the chain coming off. Another option is
    that it's possible your chain is worn out. You don't have enough mileage
    per se for that to be an issue, unless your chain is worn due to being
    dirty & neglected; that can wear out a chain faster than the miles would
    indicate.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

    "Yuri Budilov" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hello everyone

    I have a 2004 Trek 1000 road bike, with about 1700 km on the close,
    which
    has Shimano Sora group set - double chain ring. Generally I am happy
    with
    the bike given its low price anyhow....

    Lately, when I change from large chain ring to small one the chain
    simply
    drops off (every 3rd-4th change).
    Once it even did so when going from small to large chain ring.

    I wonder if anyone can shed some light on this? My LBS checked it and in
    test could not fault it. The only advice they could offer me was to
    change a
    few rear cogs up/down so that the chain is more or less "straight" when
    I am
    about to change from small to large chain ring or vice versa. I have
    been
    trying this and it certainly does help somewhat but I can not help
    thinking
    this is all rather odd.

    Is this as good as it gets with Sora? Is there anything else that can be
    done/adjusted? The LBS did adjust the chain and pronounced it good.

    Will a 105 or Ultegra group set suffer from the same gear-change
    problem?

    thank you

  12. thanks Mike!

    yes, I ride ~90% on dry roads and ~10% of the distance on damp/wet road i.e.
    after rain stopped and road is still damp/wet. How often (distance?) should
    I lubricate the chain in this case?

    My LBS thought that 105 chain or even Ultegra chain will work on Sora
    rings/cogs/gears..... Strange. Anyhow, I will keep an eye on the KMC chain.

    thanks again

    "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    More info: my chain/bike/groupset has done ~1700 km (1100 miles) since
    early Jan 2004. It gets a lube from LBS every 800 km or so. I am not sure
    how long Sora chain should last. Any guesses? I ride on dry road 90% of
    the time and never ride when raining. It also started skipping on small
    ring/small rear cog, sometimes, I know I should stay away from those gear
    combinations but sometimes it is hard for a novice rider like me....

    Not sure what it means when you say you never ride in the rain, but ride
    on "dry" roads 90% of the time. What's going on the other 10%? If you're
    riding on wet roads, you might as well be riding in the rain, and it's
    possible that rain might even be preferable (in terms of washing grit off
    your drivetrain in a heavy downpour... been there, seen that).

    Lubing every 800km may not be adequate, particularly if you're seeing wet
    roads.

    Quoted message said:

    Should I buy a 105 or Ultegra chain to replace the Sora chain - will this
    help shifting and chain dropping problems on Trek 1000?

    The '105 & Ultegra chains aren't compatible with your 8-speed system. The
    best chain I've found is the HG91, but they're rather expensive and mainly
    have benefits in ways that are relevant to mountain bikes (stronger side
    link connections). An appropriate KMC chain won't cost too much and
    should work very nicely.

    Quoted message said:

    I will hunt for Chain Watcher/ThirdEye/Jumpstop in the meantime, sounds
    like what the doctor ordered. Thanks!

    Yep, the darned things do exactly what they're supposed to.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

    "Yuri Budilov" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    thanks all

    More info: my chain/bike/groupset has done ~1700 km (1100 miles) since
    early Jan 2004. It gets a lube from LBS every 800 km or so. I am not sure
    how long Sora chain should last. Any guesses? I ride on dry road 90% of
    the time and never ride when raining. It also started skipping on small
    ring/small rear cog, sometimes, I know I should stay away from those gear
    combinations but sometimes it is hard for a novice rider like me....

    Should I buy a 105 or Ultegra chain to replace the Sora chain - will this
    help shifting and chain dropping problems on Trek 1000?

    I will hunt for Chain Watcher/ThirdEye/Jumpstop in the meantime, sounds
    like what the doctor ordered. Thanks!

    "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    > Lately, when I change from large chain ring to small one the chain
    > simply
    > drops off (every 3rd-4th change).
    > Once it even did so when going from small to large chain ring.

    As Peter (Qui si parla Campagnolo) mentioned, the Chain Watcher will
    eliminate the possibility of the chain coming off. Another option is
    that it's possible your chain is worn out. You don't have enough
    mileage per se for that to be an issue, unless your chain is worn due to
    being dirty & neglected; that can wear out a chain faster than the miles
    would indicate.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

    "Yuri Budilov" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > Hello everyone
    >
    > I have a 2004 Trek 1000 road bike, with about 1700 km on the close,
    > which
    > has Shimano Sora group set - double chain ring. Generally I am happy
    > with
    > the bike given its low price anyhow....
    >
    > Lately, when I change from large chain ring to small one the chain
    > simply
    > drops off (every 3rd-4th change).
    > Once it even did so when going from small to large chain ring.
    >
    > I wonder if anyone can shed some light on this? My LBS checked it and
    > in
    > test could not fault it. The only advice they could offer me was to
    > change a
    > few rear cogs up/down so that the chain is more or less "straight" when
    > I am
    > about to change from small to large chain ring or vice versa. I have
    > been
    > trying this and it certainly does help somewhat but I can not help
    > thinking
    > this is all rather odd.
    >
    > Is this as good as it gets with Sora? Is there anything else that can
    > be
    > done/adjusted? The LBS did adjust the chain and pronounced it good.
    >
    > Will a 105 or Ultegra group set suffer from the same gear-change
    > problem?
    >
    > thank you
    >
    >

  13. Quoted message said:

    yes, I ride ~90% on dry roads and ~10% of the distance on damp/wet road
    i.e. after rain stopped and road is still damp/wet. How often (distance?)
    should I lubricate the chain in this case?

    It's as important that the chain is kept clean as it is lubricated, and that
    10% of riding on wet roads is definitely going to cause your chain to
    collect a lot of grit. I've read that it's almost bad to lubricate a dirty
    chain, and, in fact, I can see the point that it might move more grit into
    the chain (instead of flushing it out). However, to me it's preferable to a
    squeaky chain, and I've often seen squeaky chains become sticking chains
    (but I've rarely seen well-lubed but dirty chains have stiff link problems).
    So if you can't clean the chain, and it appears dry (no obvious lubrication)
    after it's had a chance to dry out, I'd relube it.

    Quoted message said:

    My LBS thought that 105 chain or even Ultegra chain will work on Sora
    rings/cogs/gears..... Strange. Anyhow, I will keep an eye on the KMC
    chain.

    The 9-speed chain may work, just not as well as one made for the
    slightly-different spacing of the 8-speed components.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

    "Yuri Budilov" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    thanks Mike!

    yes, I ride ~90% on dry roads and ~10% of the distance on damp/wet road
    i.e. after rain stopped and road is still damp/wet. How often (distance?)
    should I lubricate the chain in this case?

    My LBS thought that 105 chain or even Ultegra chain will work on Sora
    rings/cogs/gears..... Strange. Anyhow, I will keep an eye on the KMC
    chain.

    thanks again

    "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    More info: my chain/bike/groupset has done ~1700 km (1100 miles) since
    early Jan 2004. It gets a lube from LBS every 800 km or so. I am not
    sure how long Sora chain should last. Any guesses? I ride on dry road
    90% of the time and never ride when raining. It also started skipping on
    small ring/small rear cog, sometimes, I know I should stay away from
    those gear combinations but sometimes it is hard for a novice rider like
    me....

    Not sure what it means when you say you never ride in the rain, but ride
    on "dry" roads 90% of the time. What's going on the other 10%? If
    you're riding on wet roads, you might as well be riding in the rain, and
    it's possible that rain might even be preferable (in terms of washing
    grit off your drivetrain in a heavy downpour... been there, seen that).

    Lubing every 800km may not be adequate, particularly if you're seeing wet
    roads.

    Quoted message said:

    Should I buy a 105 or Ultegra chain to replace the Sora chain - will
    this help shifting and chain dropping problems on Trek 1000?

    The '105 & Ultegra chains aren't compatible with your 8-speed system.
    The best chain I've found is the HG91, but they're rather expensive and
    mainly have benefits in ways that are relevant to mountain bikes
    (stronger side link connections). An appropriate KMC chain won't cost
    too much and should work very nicely.

    Quoted message said:

    I will hunt for Chain Watcher/ThirdEye/Jumpstop in the meantime, sounds
    like what the doctor ordered. Thanks!

    Yep, the darned things do exactly what they're supposed to.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

    "Yuri Budilov" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    thanks all

    More info: my chain/bike/groupset has done ~1700 km (1100 miles) since
    early Jan 2004. It gets a lube from LBS every 800 km or so. I am not
    sure how long Sora chain should last. Any guesses? I ride on dry road
    90% of the time and never ride when raining. It also started skipping on
    small ring/small rear cog, sometimes, I know I should stay away from
    those gear combinations but sometimes it is hard for a novice rider like
    me....

    Should I buy a 105 or Ultegra chain to replace the Sora chain - will
    this help shifting and chain dropping problems on Trek 1000?

    I will hunt for Chain Watcher/ThirdEye/Jumpstop in the meantime, sounds
    like what the doctor ordered. Thanks!

    "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    >> Lately, when I change from large chain ring to small one the chain
    >> simply
    >> drops off (every 3rd-4th change).
    >> Once it even did so when going from small to large chain ring.
    >
    > As Peter (Qui si parla Campagnolo) mentioned, the Chain Watcher will
    > eliminate the possibility of the chain coming off. Another option is
    > that it's possible your chain is worn out. You don't have enough
    > mileage per se for that to be an issue, unless your chain is worn due
    > to being dirty & neglected; that can wear out a chain faster than the
    > miles would indicate.
    >
    > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    > www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
    >
    >
    > "Yuri Budilov" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    >> Hello everyone
    >>
    >> I have a 2004 Trek 1000 road bike, with about 1700 km on the close,
    >> which
    >> has Shimano Sora group set - double chain ring. Generally I am happy
    >> with
    >> the bike given its low price anyhow....
    >>
    >> Lately, when I change from large chain ring to small one the chain
    >> simply
    >> drops off (every 3rd-4th change).
    >> Once it even did so when going from small to large chain ring.
    >>
    >> I wonder if anyone can shed some light on this? My LBS checked it and
    >> in
    >> test could not fault it. The only advice they could offer me was to
    >> change a
    >> few rear cogs up/down so that the chain is more or less "straight"
    >> when I am
    >> about to change from small to large chain ring or vice versa. I have
    >> been
    >> trying this and it certainly does help somewhat but I can not help
    >> thinking
    >> this is all rather odd.
    >>
    >> Is this as good as it gets with Sora? Is there anything else that can
    >> be
    >> done/adjusted? The LBS did adjust the chain and pronounced it good.
    >>
    >> Will a 105 or Ultegra group set suffer from the same gear-change
    >> problem?
    >>
    >> thank you
    >>
    >>
    >
    >

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