Proof positive crit pro is a moron (as if you didn't know)

"Gibby Chad G." <@posting.google.com...

Quoted message said:

Ok,
So what Horner has been known to whine a bit.
Maybe he has an annoying voice.
Perhaps that beard from the Prime Alliance days was illegal.
Quizas 'freckels' son malas.

BUT!
For crit pro to say, "Horner sucks it up" and "Could only manage 50th"
and "I could do better" is a f-ing joke.

8th in the world championships. 11th today in Lombardy. First group
and top finisher from his DI team at Paris Tours (a flat sprinter's
race-he's no field sprinter) Total domination in the US.
And this after a season of doing short races by European standards.
Tell me one other US based guy who can do 100km crits and 110-115mi
RR's in the US, then seamlessly transition to 140mi World Cup and
World Championship races in Europe (and get top 15 placings)?

CritPro may be equivalent to a Class-A pro baseball player (like a decent
Cat. 1) but he/she is like a Cat. 6 when it comes to evaluating bike racing
talent.

For sure. Nice post Chad.

-Ken, a lousy Cat. III

Quoted message said:

Crit pro needs his head examined.
i don't know who the guy is, but I would bet that Horner has won more
US NRC crits than he could ever dream of.

I also want to point out the udder lunacy of another crit pro-ism....

When he said that he could race in Europe, but he makes $3-5k a month
on the US crit scene.... That statement is [censored].
1st... If he is a DIII pro, chances ar that he aint getting a salary.
2nd... There are roughly only 1-2 $10,000 NRC crits per month in the
US throughout the season. 8-9mo season. I am looking at the NRC list
right now and I count roughly 18-22 $10,000 crits over the course of
the season. Avg payout for 1st place in one of those is $1,200-1,400.
Let's call the purse at your avg local/regional crit $2500, say $500
to win... (most aren't that good)
So crit pro would have us believe that he wins or gets second at 2 NRC
crits per month, plus wins 2+ regional crits with a least a $3000
purse per month.
That would get you (after splits) about $3500 a month. THERE IS NO ONE
ON THE US CRIT SCENE THAT IS THAT DOMINATE. That's IF his DIII team
could afford to send him to every NRC crit on the schedule (unlikely).

Now, please don't take this as a snipe against OFOTO, cause I am a
hard working Cat.1 privateer and I have nothing but respect for the
guys who are that one (small) step above me. If he really does ride
for OFOTO, as some here have alleged... OFOTO hasn't won an NRC event
once this year, much less every NRC held since the beginning of the
season. That is pretty much what one would have to do to secure $4000
a mo in prive money for the entire season, and that isn't even avging
it out over the entire year.

The minimum salary domestique in europe on a DI or DII team is making
more money than crit pro.

Ok, rant off. I am a first time poster-sporatic reader.
Chad Gibson

Quoted message said:

From: [email hidden] (Gibby)

Quoted message said:

Ok, rant off. I am a first time poster-sporatic reader.
Chad Gibson

Nice Job. I don't think CP rides cross, so his season is over and the alcohol
is flowing. That would seem to be the only rationale other than recreational
doping products for some of the stuff that gets posted.
I'm becoming convinced that there is more than one person posting as CP
recently too, though I'm too lazy to go digging.
Bill C

Quoted message said:

For crit pro to say, "Horner sucks it up" and "Could only manage 50th"
and "I could do better" is a f-ing joke.

so laugh then...

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8th in the world championships. 11th today in Lombardy. First group
and top finisher from his DI team at Paris Tours (a flat sprinter's
race-he's no field sprinter) Total domination in the US.
And this after a season of doing short races by European standards.
Tell me one other US based guy who can do 100km crits and 110-115mi
RR's in the US, then seamlessly transition to 140mi World Cup and
World Championship races in Europe (and get top 15 placings)?

thats right...

Quoted message said:

Crit pro needs his head examined.
i don't know who the guy is, but I would bet that Horner has won more
US NRC crits than he could ever dream of.

maybe.. but thats not the point... its just a little [censored] talking to get you
riled up...

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I also want to point out the udder lunacy of another crit pro-ism....

that could have been a good cow joke...

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When he said that he could race in Europe, but he makes $3-5k a month
on the US crit scene.... That statement is [censored].

no.. thats not BS.. its totally possible... especially if you are talking
gross...

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1st... If he is a DIII pro, chances ar that he aint getting a salary.

not true.. if he is any good at all he is getting paid... all the good teams
pay the good riders something decent... so lets stop thinking that all the guys
are riding for expenses...

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2nd... There are roughly only 1-2 $10,000 NRC crits per month in the
US throughout the season. 8-9mo season. I am looking at the NRC list
right now and I count roughly 18-22 $10,000 crits over the course of
the season. Avg payout for 1st place in one of those is $1,200-1,400.
Let's call the purse at your avg local/regional crit $2500, say $500
to win... (most aren't that good)
So crit pro would have us believe that he wins or gets second at 2 NRC
crits per month, plus wins 2+ regional crits with a least a $3000
purse per month.
That would get you (after splits) about $3500 a month.

that 3500 is before his stipend/salary which could easily be another 2 grand or
more a month if he is a good rider...

THERE IS NO ONE

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ON THE US CRIT SCENE THAT IS THAT DOMINATE.

you dont have to dominate.. you have to be consistently a top placer... which
he probably is...

That's IF his DIII team

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could afford to send him to every NRC crit on the schedule (unlikely).

the better teams have ok budgets.. like mid-low six figures...most teams do
most races.. so it is very likely that he gets to a lot of races... and if crit
pro is a top rider he probably gets free hotels and free entry to a lot of
races even if he does have to pay his own way.. which he probably doesnt have
to do that often because, like i said, most teams go to most races...

Quoted message said:

Now, please don't take this as a snipe against OFOTO, cause I am a
hard working Cat.1 privateer and I have nothing but respect for the
guys who are that one (small) step above me. If he really does ride
for OFOTO, as some here have alleged... OFOTO hasn't won an NRC event
once this year, much less every NRC held since the beginning of the
season. That is pretty much what one would have to do to secure $4000
a mo in prive money for the entire season, and that isn't even avging
it out over the entire year.

well... thats true.. we had a tough time winning even one race.. no worries
though... i suck, ok, and even me, who sucks, grossed a bit better than $7000
(thats with the team paying 90 percent of the bills) in a 4 week period in july
and august never having won one race... that only shows what is possible for 4
weeks for a [censored] rider like me, but if crit pro is a top rider its easy for
me to see where he could do 5k a month from march to september...

Quoted message said:

The minimum salary domestique in europe on a DI or DII team is making
more money than crit pro.

maybe. i dont know.. but i can tell you that the euro guys dont make [censored]
unless he is a big rider or in a big team.. the rest of them arent doing as
well as their better known freinds... and euro races have [censored]-all for prize
money...

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Ok, rant off. I am a first time poster-sporatic reader.
Chad Gibson

Quoted message said:

From: [email hidden] (erik saunders)

<good [censored] snipped>

Quoted message said:

maybe. i dont know.. but i can tell you that the euro guys dont make [censored]
unless he is a big rider or in a big team.. the rest of them arent doing as
well as their better known freinds... and euro races have [censored]-all for prize
money...

1. You don't suck,
2. Thanks for keeping it real.
Bill C

Gibby said:

Ok,
So what Horner has been known to whine a bit.
Maybe he has an annoying voice.
Perhaps that beard from the Prime Alliance days was illegal.
Quizas 'freckels' son malas.

BUT!
For crit pro to say, "Horner sucks it up" and "Could only manage 50th"
and "I could do better" is a f-ing joke.

8th in the world championships. 11th today in Lombardy. First group
and top finisher from his DI team at Paris Tours (a flat sprinter's
race-he's no field sprinter) Total domination in the US.
And this after a season of doing short races by European standards.
Tell me one other US based guy who can do 100km crits and 110-115mi
RR's in the US, then seamlessly transition to 140mi World Cup and
World Championship races in Europe (and get top 15 placings)?

Crit pro needs his head examined.
i don't know who the guy is, but I would bet that Horner has won more
US NRC crits than he could ever dream of.

I also want to point out the udder lunacy of another crit pro-ism....

When he said that he could race in Europe, but he makes $3-5k a month
on the US crit scene.... That statement is [censored].
1st... If he is a DIII pro, chances ar that he aint getting a salary.
2nd... There are roughly only 1-2 $10,000 NRC crits per month in the
US throughout the season. 8-9mo season. I am looking at the NRC list
right now and I count roughly 18-22 $10,000 crits over the course of
the season. Avg payout for 1st place in one of those is $1,200-1,400.
Let's call the purse at your avg local/regional crit $2500, say $500
to win... (most aren't that good)
So crit pro would have us believe that he wins or gets second at 2 NRC
crits per month, plus wins 2+ regional crits with a least a $3000
purse per month.
That would get you (after splits) about $3500 a month. THERE IS NO ONE
ON THE US CRIT SCENE THAT IS THAT DOMINATE. That's IF his DIII team
could afford to send him to every NRC crit on the schedule (unlikely).

Now, please don't take this as a snipe against OFOTO, cause I am a
hard working Cat.1 privateer and I have nothing but respect for the
guys who are that one (small) step above me. If he really does ride
for OFOTO, as some here have alleged... OFOTO hasn't won an NRC event
once this year, much less every NRC held since the beginning of the
season. That is pretty much what one would have to do to secure $4000
a mo in prive money for the entire season, and that isn't even avging
it out over the entire year.

The minimum salary domestique in europe on a DI or DII team is making
more money than crit pro.

Ok, rant off. I am a first time poster-sporatic reader.
Chad Gibson

Horner "totally dominates" the U.S. scene by never winning the USPRO
road title in Philly, never making the US Olympic team, never winning
crit nationals?

Wow...that's pretty dominating. Oh, I forgot - he was also the best
rider at the 2004 Olympic Trials in Redlands because he said so.

Thanks,

Magilla

In article <[email hidden]>,

(erik saunders) said:

Quoted message said:

I also want to point out the udder lunacy of another crit pro-ism....

that could have been a good cow joke...

Like: A barnyard mix-up is udder confusion?

--
tanx,
Howard

A billion + 2 followups...

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

"Gibby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Ok,
So what Horner has been known to whine a bit.
Maybe he has an annoying voice.
Perhaps that beard from the Prime Alliance days was illegal.
Quizas 'freckels' son malas.

BUT!
For crit pro to say, "Horner sucks it up" and "Could only manage 50th"
and "I could do better" is a f-ing joke.

8th in the world championships. 11th today in Lombardy. First group
and top finisher from his DI team at Paris Tours (a flat sprinter's
race-he's no field sprinter) Total domination in the US.
And this after a season of doing short races by European standards.
Tell me one other US based guy who can do 100km crits and 110-115mi
RR's in the US, then seamlessly transition to 140mi World Cup and
World Championship races in Europe (and get top 15 placings)?

Crit pro needs his head examined.
i don't know who the guy is, but I would bet that Horner has won more
US NRC crits than he could ever dream of.

I also want to point out the udder lunacy of another crit pro-ism....

When he said that he could race in Europe, but he makes $3-5k a month
on the US crit scene.... That statement is [censored].
1st... If he is a DIII pro, chances ar that he aint getting a salary.
2nd... There are roughly only 1-2 $10,000 NRC crits per month in the
US throughout the season. 8-9mo season. I am looking at the NRC list
right now and I count roughly 18-22 $10,000 crits over the course of
the season. Avg payout for 1st place in one of those is $1,200-1,400.
Let's call the purse at your avg local/regional crit $2500, say $500
to win... (most aren't that good)
So crit pro would have us believe that he wins or gets second at 2 NRC
crits per month, plus wins 2+ regional crits with a least a $3000
purse per month.
That would get you (after splits) about $3500 a month. THERE IS NO ONE
ON THE US

CRIT SCENE THAT IS THAT DOMINATE. That's IF his DIII team

Quoted message said:

could afford to send him to every NRC crit on the schedule (unlikely).

Now, please don't take this as a snipe against OFOTO, cause I am a
hard working Cat.1 privateer and I have nothing but respect for the
guys who are that one (small) step above me. If he really does ride
for OFOTO, as some here have alleged... OFOTO hasn't won an NRC event
once this year, much less every NRC held since the beginning of the
season. That is pretty much what one would have to do to secure $4000
a mo in prive money for the entire season, and that isn't even avging
it out over the entire year.

The minimum salary domestique in europe on a DI or DII team is making
more money than crit pro.

Ok, rant off. I am a first time poster-sporatic reader.
Chad Gibson

My question is, why do you all care so much about what a childish,
anonymous, moron thinks.. I laugh harder at those of you aggravated at his
trolling posts than I do the original posts. I don't read his [censored] and I
really don't give a [censored].. If you ignore him, he will go away.. Come on
people get a clue!!!!!!!! (Sorry Chad, I'm not singling you out). Don't
read, don't reply and it will go away!!!!!

Danny Callen