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Mr. Ed (Dolan) said:

Is this Rebecca Twigg a woman?...

Judge for yourself:
<http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/features/lemond_fantasy_camp/glfc0402.jpg>.

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I am very much opposed to women cyclists. They should stay at home and
take care of the children, prepare meals and clean the house and dust and
such things. Don't the Germans have an expression for this philosophy -
something about the three K's?

I don't hate women, far from it, but I believe they should know their
place and stay in it. Leave the great world to us men, and that includes
cycling. If women need some exercise beyond their normal duties, they
could get down on the floor on their hands and knees and do some serious
scrubbing. We men like clean well scrubbed floors upon which to stride.
And then, besides that, we like women to be accommodating in the bedroom.
Is that asking too much? > --
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

PS. Is this a troll?

The only troll is Mr. Ed.

From <http://www.usbhof.com/inductees/2002.cfm>.

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REBECCA TWIGG (Born 1963)

Rebecca is a six-time World Champion in the Individual Pursuit event. She
is also
the recipient of 16 U.S. National Championship titles, in addition to an
Olympic Silver Medal in the 1984 Road Race in Los Angeles and a Bronze
Medal in the 1992 Barcelona Olympics, in the Individual Pursuit event.
Her diversity as a cyclist has been evident as demonstrated by her
ability to win on the track, in road time trials and road stage races. In
1984, Rebecca won the inaugural HP Women's Challenge and went on to win
the following two editions as well. She began racing in 1977 and won her
first National Road Time Trial Championship in 1981, at the age of 18. In
addition to her athletic prowess, Rebecca was also known for her
accelerated educational endeavors.
She entered the University of Washington at age 14 after completing the
8th grade.
In 1985, she completed her studies following a hiatus to compete in
cycling.
In 1997, at age 34, she was still competitive in cycling, placing 3rd at
the U.S. National Road Time Trial event.

But who cares what you think of women? I am waiting to hear from Beth and
Marci, two of my greatest fans. I have no doubt they will agree with me
100%!

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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I live and work in Vancouver, British Columbia. I'm an American
Citizen. I own property in the US and pay taxes there. I also vote for
State and Federal Government. My father was in the merchant marine in
WWII. He never attacked or fired a gun at another human being in war,
but he served none-the-less. For anyone to brand another a "traitor"
simply because they don't hold the same views (have different opinions),
espouse Christian beliefs and a Christian way of life is ludicrous in
the extreme. I had thought Mr. Dolan capable of conversing in an
intellectual (philisophical) discussion without resorting to four letter
expletives and childish name calling. I was quite obviously mistaken.
Perhaps we should stick to talking about recumbents.

Mr. Dolan is more than capable of engaging in an intellectual discussion
on most subjects under the sun, but it takes two for that. When one side
does nothing but mouth the same old liberal nonsense, which has been
totally discredited by history, and then gets all his facts wrong to
boot, then I have had it and I will not waste time trying to be
intelligent with an idiot. When I hear certain things being said, then I
KNOW I am dealing with an idiot. You more than qualify.

Rational debate is intelligent conversation between two individuals that
have reviewed the same information and formulated opinions/conclusions
based on their knowledge and experience. You have obviously not read the
Quran or the Bible so debating with you is like Clinton and Monica trying
to debate whether "Sunlight" or "Tide" get's the stain out better.

I have no interest in the theories and/or theologies of religion and most
especially NOT in their sacred books. The only thing I am interested in is
the practice of religion as it impinges on history. The Muslims have a very
poor record in this regard, but what is truly astounding is that they are
still in the Middle Ages and are acting on it. It is all nothing but sheer
craziness.

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You are a liberal and like all liberals you will not defend this country
against its enemies.

You base this conclusion on what?? I'm a *Christian*. I would not kill
another human being on the orders of a superior no matter what the
circumstance. God said: "Thou shalt not kill." There are no provisos or
exclusions that state "except for in time of war, or on the order of your
Government".

A pacifist is not worth the time of day. You are outside the community of
men and it has absolutely nothing to do with being a Christian. However, it
has everything to do with being a coward.

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You are with the French and the rest of the Europeans and you are with the
Muslims of the Middle East too - thinking that America is somehow
responsible for all their troubles. You are despicable and beneath
contempt.

American foreign policy has been neither honorable or consistant.
*That's* what's directly responsible for where we are today.

You bet! Hate America first, last and always!

The truth is that America has absolutely nothing to do with the problems
that the Muslims are having in this world. However, their reprehensible
religion has everything to do with it. They are only capable of being
subjects, never citizens, and so they will continue to be ruled like the
slaves that they are until they reform their religion.

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Know for certain that there is at least one person in this world who
thinks you are a traitor to America and not worthy to even utter her
sacred name.

America. America. God Bless America. Land of the Free and Home of the
Dolan.

All true, no thanks to the likes of you!

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Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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$0.10 (US) in 1945 converts to $1.06 (US) in 2004, so the actual

increase

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is not as great as it might appear.

Maybe so, but my income has not changed one iota in all those years. In
fact, I may be getting less now than my father did in 1945 - believe it
or
not! My best advice to all of you out there in la-la land who want to get

on

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in your lives, do not ever even THINK about going into downtown real

estate

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in a small town in the Midwest. You will end up in the poor house if you

do.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

this from a supposed genius lol

We geniuses often seem like very strange people to louts and idiots like
yourself.

My genius lies in intellectual discourse and in thinking on abstract
subjects, not in getting on in the world. I have no interest in that other
than having enough to live on without having to work. The main thing is to
avoid work at all costs. I equate work (having a job) with slavery. Of
course, the assumption I am making about work is that you only do it in
order to have an income. Are there any other reasons, I wonder?

I once took a course at college on the Sociology of Work. It was the most
depressing subject I ever took at college. But the one thing I took away
from that course is that I never wanted to have anything to do with work -
so maybe it was a very worthwhile course for me to take after all. I wonder,
did I miss much by not working? No doubt, Mr. Sherman (not a happy camper
himself) will tell me what I have missed.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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>> This War on Terrorism is something new under the sun. I think it is
>> going to be a very prolonged kind of warfare. It will be a protracted
>> conflict. Eventually it will have to be won on the ideological level.
>> Islam as it exists presently in the world can not be allowed to
>> continue.
>
> And you call me a "screwball"...
>
>> It must be reformed.
>
> Heh... Islam doesn't need reforming. They have their "Jim Jones" and
> "David Koresh's" too.

The whole g.d. religion is composed of nothing but radical extremists
who
think anyone who is not a Muslim ought to be killed.

The whole religion *is not* "composed of nothing but radical extremists.
I'll say this much for you though... I've read about people like you
before. Racially and religiously intolerant [censored]. I'll bet you're
all for rounding up every American citizen that also happens to be
Muslim,
putting them on a barge in New York harbor and sinking it.

Don't put any ideas in my head. What you suggest is not a bad idea, though
way too rough for the ever squeamish American public, which has been
totally
brainwashed by the liberal media.

I don't for one minute believe you capable of supporting such an action.
Just as I'm sure you don't condone the treatment of the Jews under [censored]'s
Regime.

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No, we will have to be TOLERANT of them
even if all they ever want to do is to cut our throats while we are
sleeping in the night, all in the name of Jihad.

"Jihad" in the Quran refers to the internal struggle we all face as God
fearing people. The Quran does not condone the slaughter of innocents,
suicide, murder, or terrorism. The Bible doesn't either. God gave us the
freedom to choose between "right" and "wrong", "good" and "evil". Christ
taught one simple message. Love yourself and your neighbor as you would
your God. I believe *that* should be the basis for America's (a Christian
nation's) foreign policy.

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Maybe we should all
just go to Canada and give them America!

Nahh... wouldn't work. They'd all want to open "convenience stores" and
there wouldn't be anyone left to buy anything... :-))

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Let us hope they kill off liberals like you first as you are a worthless
piece of [censored].

I'm not a liberal. I happen to be a Christian... And from the looks of
it a much better one than you profess to be. Would you kill on an order
from your President??

You bet! Most especially if he is ordering me to kill Muslims. Another
Holy
Crusade - anybody!

Then you only profess Christianity. You don't practice it in your daily
life.

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>> What makes the situation so untenable is the possibility that these
>> Muslim terrorists could get their hands on nuclear weapons. Otherwise
>> it would not amount to a hill of beans.
>
> I don't think we have anything to fear on that score. After all we're
> going to partner with Canada for the North American Missile Defense
> System...

They could possibly smuggle into this country a nuclear weapon in a
suitcase. What the hell damn good is a missile defense system against
that?

The question was "sarcastic". The millions of dollars the US Government
is considering expending on a Missile Defence System would be better
served in providing housing for the homeless and disadvantaged. When's
the last time you donated your time or some of your hard earned cash to
helping others??

You are conflating one problem with another, as if there is any
relationship
between the two. But liberals like you would rather have a welfare state
than any state at all. Good thinking, Frank!

Helping the disadvantaged is what you call a "welfare state"?? What's your
solution?? Put the poor and the homeless on the same barge with the
American Muslims, Eddie?? Damn!! That's thinking with the sheet on...

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>>>> The danger the Terrorists represent is that they could get their
>>>> hands on nuclear weapons any number of ways which would create a
>>>> whole new ball game for the West and civilization in general.
>>>
>>> I agree. The problem with global terrorism is that it's just that.
>>> Global. Timothy McVeigh was a US Citizen and a terrorist. As far as
>>> I
>>> know he wasn't a "Muslim".
>>
>> McVeigh had no backing whatsoever. Therefore he was not in the least
>> bit dangerous to civilization. He was just another common criminal. It
>> is ideological backing which makes Islamic terrorism something that we
>> have to take seriously.
>
> Better to put our money in the war on drugs. We certainly aren't going
> to be able to stop someone bent on immolating themselves (and taking as
> many innocent people with him as he can).

You sure as hell aren't going stop anyone from doing anything.

I doubt you'd be able to. You can't simply imprison or execute someone
for their religious beliefs. This flies against everything my father and
his fought for.

Any fool can believe anything he wants to but he can't act on it. That is
why
we have laws - to constrain people from acting on their idiotic religious
beliefs. And
then we put them in prison if need be. That usually is enough to awaken
even
the dullest moron regardless of his idiotic religious beliefs.

Care to explain the situation at "Bountiful" then?? As for "any fool"
wanting to "act" on his religious beliefs... How exactly do you prevent
someone bent on immolating themselves and as many innocent bystanders as
possible from blowing himself up?? Do you seriously believe it's *really*
"safe" to fly these days??

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>> Islam has never been reformed.
>
> Neither has "Christianity".

What the [censored] do you think the Reformation was all about, you g.d.
stupid
jackass!

Bwahahahahahahahaha!! Whose "history" books have you been reading??

Ever hear of Martin Luther. I mean the first Martin Luther, not Martin
Luther King.

Funny you should mention him. I was baptized into the Lutheran Church
(Missouri Synod). I'll bet you had to close your eyes when you typed "King"
(knowing how you must feel about black Americans).

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>> It is a religion of simple primitive people who have no sophistication
>> whatsoever.
>
> So is Christianity. I find it amazing that you would think like this.
> My mistake. I thought you were an itellectual. You're proving to be
> nothing more than a crackpot.

Christianity is a universal religion that has undergone repeated
reformations and is highly sophisticated.

"Christianity" is a simple religion with a very simple message. There
isn't *anything* sophisticated about Jesus. He was a carpenter for
pete's
sake.

You are confusing Jesus Christ with Christianity. They are not one and the
same.

If you've accepted Christ as your personal Saviour, and follow his
teachings, you are indeed a *Christian* by every sense of the word. Being a
"Christian" is probably one of the more challenging ways of life but I'm
sure even you are up to it.

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If the Greek and Roman World had never taken hold of Jesus, it would
still be a minor sect and probably on the order of Islam - a simple
religion for simple minded people (like you).

If the "Greek and Roman World had never taken hold of Jesus", they wouldn't
have been burning heretics or fought the Crusades. It's "Romans" like you
with your "skewed" vision of what a "Christian" is that's been responsible
for the atrocities commited "in His name"... From my standpoint there's no
difference between your intolerance of anything "Islamic" and Bin Laden's
hatred of anything "American". Do you *seriously* believe that Bin Laden's
plan to attack the American "icons of power" had anything to do with
*religion*?? You're an idiot if you think so.

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>>You are just ignorant on the Muslim religion.
>
> I've read the Quran. You obviously haven't. To condemn an entire
> faith
> based on supposition and heresay puts you in the same league as
> [censored]'s
> minions... Let's throw them all in concentration camps.

I have already told you to screw the g.d. Koran. Read the history of the
Muslim conquest instead you stupid jackass!

"The Muslim conquest" you keep referring to is not condoned in the Quran.
There's a big difference between "politics" and "religion". The problem
we're facing is because our "politics" don't follow Christian beliefs.
If
they did, 9/11 would never have happened.

Islam would still be a tribal religion of the nomadic Arabs in the deserts
of the Middle East if not for the Muslim conquest.

No... You've got that wrong... It was the "conquest" of *men* that
professed the Muslim faith. It had nothing to do with the "religion". 9-11
had nothing to do with "religion" either. You're so "blinded" by hatred you
can't see the truth.

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That is how they spread
their despicable religion.

How do you think Christianity "spread"??

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To think that you know all about a religion
because you have read their "holy book" is nothing but the sheerest
nonsense
and marks you for a fundamentalist of the worst sort.

At least I've read the book and know what Islam is fundamentally all about.
You've based your entire argument on heresay and supposition. That marks
you for a babbling idiot of the worse sort.

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You MUST combine a
religion with its history in the real world in order to make any sense out
of it.

God never conquered a people. Other people did (He may have helped a
little).

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Why don't you lie down and let others [censored] over you like the scum that
you are. You are nothing but a g.d. pacifist who would not even defend
your own [censored].

I'm a Christian. That makes me a pacifist.

You will not defend this country against the Muslim enemy when we are at
war
with them.

Point out the "Muslim enemy" we're "at war" with!! My point (through this
entire debate) has been that the *Terrorist* doesn't wear identification.
That the "Terrorist" may not even be *Muslim*. Terrorists have a specific
agenda and when that's based on a skewed ideology, then they're doubly

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The whole religion *is not* "composed of nothing but radical extremists.
I'll say this much for you though... I've read about people like you
before. Racially and religiously intolerant [censored]. I'll bet you're
all for rounding up every American citizen that also happens to be
Muslim,
putting them on a barge in New York harbor and sinking it.

Don't put any ideas in my head. What you suggest is not a bad idea,
though
way too rough for the ever squeamish American public, which has been
totally
brainwashed by the liberal media.

I don't for one minute believe you capable of supporting such an action.
Just as I'm sure you don't condone the treatment of the Jews under
[censored]'s Regime.

That is what is known as hyperbole. When you suggest something crazy, then I
will go you one better. I will not allow anyone to get crazier than me.

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No, we will have to be TOLERANT of them
even if all they ever want to do is to cut our throats while we are
sleeping in the night, all in the name of Jihad.

"Jihad" in the Quran refers to the internal struggle we all face as God
fearing people. The Quran does not condone the slaughter of innocents,
suicide, murder, or terrorism. The Bible doesn't either. God gave us the
freedom to choose between "right" and "wrong", "good" and "evil". Christ
taught one simple message. Love yourself and your neighbor as you would
your God. I believe *that* should be the basis for America's (a Christian
nation's) foreign policy.

A Muslim is as a Muslim does. Of course, they are not all as crazy as the
extremists, but the point remains: they do not adequately condemn their
extremists. They leave the very strong impression that they do not mind all
this killing as long as infidels (you and me) are being killed. I do not
believe Islam is a peaceful religion at all. I believe exactly the opposite.
The Koran as you read it is irrelevant. What matters is the way they read
it.
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Then you only profess Christianity. You don't practice it in your daily
life.

I do not even profess to be a Christian, but that is my heritage and I do
not see any reason to disown it. It is the only universal religion that is
suitable for all mankind because it has evolved from its origins.The other
religions of the world are mostly an abomination and Islam especially so.
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The question was "sarcastic". The millions of dollars the US Government
is considering expending on a Missile Defence System would be better
served in providing housing for the homeless and disadvantaged. When's
the last time you donated your time or some of your hard earned cash to
helping others??

You are conflating one problem with another, as if there is any
relationship
between the two. But liberals like you would rather have a welfare state
than any state at all. Good thinking, Frank!

Helping the disadvantaged is what you call a "welfare state"?? What's
your solution?? Put the poor and the homeless on the same barge with the
American Muslims, Eddie?? Damn!! That's thinking with the sheet on...

I only like to discuss one issue at a time. The problem of a just society is
entirely different from the problem of how to defend your society, just or
otherwise.
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Any fool can believe anything he wants to but he can't act on it. That is
why
we have laws - to constrain people from acting on their idiotic religious
beliefs. And
then we put them in prison if need be. That usually is enough to awaken
even
the dullest moron regardless of his idiotic religious beliefs.

Care to explain the situation at "Bountiful" then?? As for "any fool"
wanting to "act" on his religious beliefs... How exactly do you prevent
someone bent on immolating themselves and as many innocent bystanders as
possible from blowing himself up?? Do you seriously believe it's *really*
"safe" to fly these days??

We are living in very dangerous times indeed. I do agree with you about
that. I can easily see America coming under siege the same way Israel has
been under siege for the past generation. I do not want to see that happen.
Therefore, I am strongly in favor of tracking down and killing all these
Islamic terrorists as quickly as possible.

Most of the present Arab regimes must be democratized and secularized too as
they are the breeding ground for that type of thinking. Once they can have
normal lives like the rest of the world, there will no longer be any reason
for terrorism. What really makes them dangerous is that they could possibly
get their hands on nuclear weapons. Then we will truly be living in the "end
times."
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Ever hear of Martin Luther. I mean the first Martin Luther, not Martin
Luther King.

Funny you should mention him. I was baptized into the Lutheran Church
(Missouri Synod). I'll bet you had to close your eyes when you typed
"King" (knowing how you must feel about black Americans).

Read some good secular histories of Martin Luther. Even for us Catholics, he
is a seminal figure. He marked the beginning of reforming Christianity known
as the Reformation. It led to lots of strife but it was necessary. The
Church was a medieval institution and it needed to be brought out of that
era. If the Church (Christianity) had not been reformed, we would be no
better off than the Muslims are today.

I will let your remark about blacks slide for the moment since everyone on
this group knows me to be an equal opportunity slanderer.

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>>> It is a religion of simple primitive people who have no
>>> sophistication
>>> whatsoever.
>>
>> So is Christianity. I find it amazing that you would think like this.
>> My mistake. I thought you were an itellectual. You're proving to be
>> nothing more than a crackpot.
>
> Christianity is a universal religion that has undergone repeated
> reformations and is highly sophisticated.

"Christianity" is a simple religion with a very simple message. There
isn't *anything* sophisticated about Jesus. He was a carpenter for
pete's
sake.

You are confusing Jesus Christ with Christianity. They are not one and
the
same.

If you've accepted Christ as your personal Saviour, and follow his
teachings, you are indeed a *Christian* by every sense of the word. Being
a "Christian" is probably one of the more challenging ways of life but I'm
sure even you are up to it.

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If the Greek and Roman World had never taken hold of Jesus, it would
still be a minor sect and probably on the order of Islam - a simple
religion for simple minded people (like you).

If the "Greek and Roman World had never taken hold of Jesus", they
wouldn't have been burning heretics or fought the Crusades. It's "Romans"
like you with your "skewed" vision of what a "Christian" is that's been
responsible for the atrocities commited "in His name"...

There is no solution for this kind of ignorance other than reading secular
histories. If you confine your reading to sacred histories, you will forever
remain in the dark. But the dark can be comforting and the light of day can
be cruel. I will leave Frank to his comforting religion as I would leave a
child to his fantasies.

By the way, the Crusades were a very necessary reaction to the Muslim
aggression on Christian Europe. It was far more defensive than offensive.
Christian Europe could easily have been destroyed if the Muslim conquest had
succeeded - and it almost did.

From my standpoint there's no

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difference between your intolerance of anything "Islamic" and Bin Laden's
hatred of anything "American". Do you *seriously* believe that Bin
Laden's plan to attack the American "icons of power" had anything to do
with *religion*?? You're an idiot if you think so.

The Islamic aggression on the West has everything to do with religion and
almost nothing to do with anything else. Until one and all realize this, we
are in mortal danger. They mean to kill us (you and me) and the only thing
that will stop them is to kill them first. That is what war is all about.
Stop reading the Bible and start reading some history books.
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To think that you know all about a religion
because you have read their "holy book" is nothing but the sheerest
nonsense
and marks you for a fundamentalist of the worst sort.

At least I've read the book and know what Islam is fundamentally all
about. You've based your entire argument on heresay and supposition. That
marks you for a babbling idiot of the worse sort.

I am basing my argument on the way Muslims have behaved in world history and
specifically on how they behaved on 9/11. They are an ignorant primitive
people and they think and act like the savages they are.
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You will not defend this country against the Muslim enemy when we are at
war
with them.

Point out the "Muslim enemy" we're "at war" with!! My point (through this
entire debate) has been that the *Terrorist* doesn't wear identification.
That the "Terrorist" may not even be *Muslim*. Terrorists have a specific
agenda and when that's based on a skewed ideology, then they're doubly
dangerous as well as insane.

All the terrorists are Muslims and most all of them come from the Middle
East, mostly Saudi Arabia, ever the home of Islamic extremism. Their
religion is what motivates them and nothing else. Who do you think the
terrorists are?

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That makes you worst [worse] than a pacifist.

Your grammar is failing.

A minor spelling error, most likely a typo.
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> Defeat and humiliation. Is that what you want for America? That is what
> the g.d. French want and most of the rest of the g.d. Europeans.

Yeah... I suppose for Bush having to admit he was wrong about Iraq is
pretty humiliating... Wait a minute... He hasn't said that yet even
in
light of all the evidence "concocted" by the "intelligence community"...
We've lost over a thousand brave men to his war on Iraq. I wonder how
many died believing they were fighting "terrorism"??

We have lost over 40,000 Americans killed on the streets and highways due
to accidents this
past year. As a good Christian you ought to be wringing your hands about
all
those lost souls and maybe trying to do something about it - like
outlawing
vehicular traffic. But Frank only cares about a measly 1000 American
soldiers who died for a noble and just cause.

I care for the soldiers that fought and died for the great lie. When Bush
stands before his Maker (as I know he will), I wonder if he'll demonstrate
the same "bravado" he's shown the American People spouting the lie about
how Iraq was a "danger" to the US and World Peace. Heck... I *still*
don't know which is more "accurate"... GB or an Iraqi "Scud"...

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He doesn't care about 40,000 getting killed on the streets and
highways for no cause at all. Good thinking, Frank!

You're comparing highway deaths to the carnage of war. Interesting.

Yes, it is interesting. I have always noted how fools like you who are
against war make a big issue out of every war death whereas others are dying
all around us every day for one stupid reason or another. I do compare
deaths with deaths. The difference for me is that we are accomplishing great
things in Iraq and Afghanistan and doing something for the entire civilized
world. Those deaths in war count. Most of the other deaths in this world
(highway deaths in particular) don't count. They are just stupid - like you!

By the way Frank, do you know how to edit a post I wonder. It is not
necessary to respond to me line by line. That marks you as a dunderhead with
no ability to discriminate between what is important and what is not
important. Note how I edit you.Think before you write, why don't you? Also,
you are way too scatter brained. Try to get some focus, why don't you? One
last point: these posts of ours are way too long. No one will read them
except you and I. I want to be read by others, not just by you. I assume you
want to be read by others too. So let's see if you know how to shorten your
posts.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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No, we will have to be TOLERANT of them
> even if all they ever want to do is to cut our throats while we are
> sleeping in the night, all in the name of Jihad. Maybe we should all
> just go to Canada and give them America!
>

Perhaps Mr. Olson should suggest his Muslim friends exercise some
tolerance. They could start with Muslim men being tolerant of their
wives and their female children.

In many Muslim countries "honor" killing of girls and women by male
relatives remain the most prevalent physical threat to women and female
children. The Koran maybe a peaceful religion, but its adherents seem
to be enablers of bloodthirstiness in the name of Allah.

See the following for a recent example of an "honor" killing in Egypt.

hhtp://tinyurl.com/6vg6f

That has absolutely nothing to do with "honor killing". The kind of
murderous attack you describe happens more frequently in India (among
Hindu and Sikh adherents), not in Muslim countries.

"Police arrested Ibrahim who later claimed to have stabbed his daughters
during a moment of temporary insanity because he feared they would one
day become promiscuous. Police also quoted neighbours as saying Ibrahim
had not allowed his girls to attend school."

"Ibrahim" clearly had a "screw loose". "He was missing a few humps from
his camel." The individuals responsible for the destruction of 9/11 were
insane as well. Rational people do not commit suicide. They don't
attack their family members either.

Insane, screw loose, missing camel humps, or whatever. They are a
bloodthirsty lot whose murderous acts are rarely condemmend by other
Muslims.

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Maybe this is why Muslims are afraid to speak out about the accepted abuse
of women by followers of Islam:

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - A Dutch filmmaker who had received death
threats after releasing a movie criticizing the treatment of women under
Islam was slain in Amsterdam on Tuesday, police said.
A suspect, a 26-year-old man with dual Dutch-Moroccan nationality, was
arrested after a shootout with officers that left him wounded, police said.

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No, we will have to be TOLERANT of them
> even if all they ever want to do is to cut our throats while we are
> sleeping in the night, all in the name of Jihad. Maybe we should all
> just go to Canada and give them America!
>

Perhaps Mr. Olson should suggest his Muslim friends exercise some
tolerance. They could start with Muslim men being tolerant of their
wives and their female children.

In many Muslim countries "honor" killing of girls and women by male
relatives remain the most prevalent physical threat to women and female
children. The Koran maybe a peaceful religion, but its adherents seem
to be enablers of bloodthirstiness in the name of Allah.

See the following for a recent example of an "honor" killing in Egypt.

hhtp://tinyurl.com/6vg6f

That has absolutely nothing to do with "honor killing". The kind of
murderous attack you describe happens more frequently in India (among
Hindu and Sikh adherents), not in Muslim countries.

"Police arrested Ibrahim who later claimed to have stabbed his daughters
during a moment of temporary insanity because he feared they would one
day become promiscuous. Police also quoted neighbours as saying Ibrahim
had not allowed his girls to attend school."

"Ibrahim" clearly had a "screw loose". "He was missing a few humps from
his camel." The individuals responsible for the destruction of 9/11 were
insane as well. Rational people do not commit suicide. They don't
attack their family members either.

Insane, screw loose, missing camel humps, or whatever. They are a
bloodthirsty lot whose murderous acts are rarely condemmend by other
Muslims.

A multiple killing such as described in the article is *big* news and is
usually carried internationally. Who here hasn't heard of "Robert Picton"?
Any resulting trial (unless it involves a major celebrity) is usually local
news (and for that you'd have to be able to read the Arabic papers).

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Maybe this is why Muslims are afraid to speak out about the accepted abuse
of women by followers of Islam:

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - A Dutch filmmaker who had received death
threats after releasing a movie criticizing the treatment of women under
Islam was slain in Amsterdam on Tuesday, police said.
A suspect, a 26-year-old man with dual Dutch-Moroccan nationality, was
arrested after a shootout with officers that left him wounded, police
said.

Another individual that's obviously "missing a few humps from his camel"...

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Maybe this is why Muslims are afraid to speak out about the accepted
abuse of women by followers of Islam:

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - A Dutch filmmaker who had received death
threats after releasing a movie criticizing the treatment of women under
Islam was slain in Amsterdam on Tuesday, police said.
A suspect, a 26-year-old man with dual Dutch-Moroccan nationality, was
arrested after a shootout with officers that left him wounded, police
said.

Another individual that's obviously "missing a few humps from his
camel"...

How come so many Muslims have camels with missing humps?

Maybe they need to do a jihad on them missing hump camels.

In any event, you do not seem to feel the well documented abuse of women and
female children under Islam is anything that requires your attention. Or
maybe you, like so many others, are afraid to speak up because of political
correctness or the fear of physical retribution. It seems part of your
pacifist nature is to confuse evil with missing camel humps.

Ogg Oggiby said:

How come so many Muslims have camels with missing humps?

There's plenty of so-called Christians who abuse women's rights as well

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In any event, you do not seem to feel the well documented abuse of women and
female children under Islam is anything that requires your attention. Or
maybe you, like so many others, are afraid to speak up because of political
correctness or the fear of physical retribution.

A good friend of mine is a Muslim. She doesn't speak out against her
mistreatment because... she isn't mistreated! Do I think she'd mistreat
female children because of her religion? Well, she's a qualified
paediatrician working in a Scottish hospital, so I'd say no!

It isn't so much Islam that is the problem as the way it is expressed by
various local cultures. Just as "Christians" in Northern Ireland found
it perfectly acceptable to murder one another for many years, for
example. OTOH, the Islamic folk you will find in Glasgow, Scotland,
will typically have (like my friend) very different outlooks on life
than Muslims raised in, say, the United Arab Emirates. So do you say
their values are because they're Muslim, or because they're from UAE?
If it's just because of their religion then how come Muslims from
Glasgow seem to have a rather different outlook on the whole?

The Muslims of my personal acquaintance are, I'd say, a great deal more
balanced in their outlook in the treatment of women than some US
"Christians" who seek to kill doctors working in abortion clinics. Do
those examples make Christians as a whole worthy of your persecution, or
are they rather camels missing a few humps and atypical of most US
Christians?

Pete.
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Ogg Oggiby said:

How come so many Muslims have camels with missing humps?

There's plenty of so-called Christians who abuse women's rights as well

Quoted message said:

In any event, you do not seem to feel the well documented abuse of women
and female children under Islam is anything that requires your attention.
Or maybe you, like so many others, are afraid to speak up because of
political correctness or the fear of physical retribution.

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A good friend of mine is a Muslim. She doesn't speak out against her
mistreatment because... she isn't mistreated! Do I think she'd mistreat
female children because of her religion? Well, she's a qualified
paediatrician working in a Scottish hospital, so I'd say no!

I'm so glad you have a good Muslim friend Mr. Clinch. And I'm surely glad
to hear she and her children aren't mistreated by her husband, who may or
may not be a Muslim. She's a paeditrician....(Is that the way you Scots
spell it?) And she's a qualified one at that! That's all wonderful and
good.

So you are saying there is no problem with Muslim men abusing their women in
the UK and the rest of the world based on your knowledge of this female
Muslim paeditrian who works with you? I think you will need to look a bit
father than the next cubical if you are to get a sense of that particular
evil that exists within the Islamic world.

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Maybe this is why Muslims are afraid to speak out about the accepted
abuse of women by followers of Islam:

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - A Dutch filmmaker who had received death
threats after releasing a movie criticizing the treatment of women under
Islam was slain in Amsterdam on Tuesday, police said.
A suspect, a 26-year-old man with dual Dutch-Moroccan nationality, was
arrested after a shootout with officers that left him wounded, police
said.

Another individual that's obviously "missing a few humps from his
camel"...

Way to go Frank. Make excuses for the Muslim murdering blood thirsty scum.
We all like to see what Christian pacifists like you are made of. You and
your views stand condemned out of your own mouth.

By the way, there have been some excellent books written by former Muslims
on what is wrong with Islam. They ought to be required reading for all
Christians like Frank who think Muslims are OK. I wish I could remember the
titles and authors, but I think Alzheimer's may be taking hold of me. In any
event, Ogg is right on in his evaluation of Islam and the savages known as
Muslims. They are a despicable lot and the world would be better off if they
were all dead and buried beneath the desert sands of the Middle East.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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Quoted message said:

Ogg Oggiby said:

How come so many Muslims have camels with missing humps?

There's plenty of so-called Christians who abuse women's rights as well

So why the hell don't you put a period at the end of your sentence. Are you
another Mark Leuck put here on this earth to drive me insane?

Christians who abuse women are never approved of and they are always
condemned. Just the reverse of that is true in Muslim societies. Ever hear
of the Taliban - you moron?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In any event, you do not seem to feel the well documented abuse of women
and female children under Islam is anything that requires your attention.
Or maybe you, like so many others, are afraid to speak up because of
political correctness or the fear of physical retribution.

A good friend of mine is a Muslim. She doesn't speak out against her
mistreatment because... she isn't mistreated! Do I think she'd mistreat
female children because of her religion? Well, she's a qualified
paediatrician working in a Scottish hospital, so I'd say no!

Maybe the Muslims living in England are somewhat constrained since they are
a minority and the laws are against them doing what they would like to do,
at least in public - or did not that ever occur to you.

Quoted message said:

It isn't so much Islam that is the problem as the way it is expressed by
various local cultures. Just as "Christians" in Northern Ireland found it
perfectly acceptable to murder one another for many years, for example.
OTOH, the Islamic folk you will find in Glasgow, Scotland, will typically
have (like my friend) very different outlooks on life than Muslims raised
in, say, the United Arab Emirates. So do you say their values are because
they're Muslim, or because they're from UAE? If it's just because of their
religion then how come Muslims from Glasgow seem to have a rather
different outlook on the whole?

See my statement immediately above in order to get a clue.

Quoted message said:

The Muslims of my personal acquaintance are, I'd say, a great deal more
balanced in their outlook in the treatment of women than some US
"Christians" who seek to kill doctors working in abortion clinics. Do
those examples make Christians as a whole worthy of your persecution, or
are they rather camels missing a few humps and atypical of most US
Christians?

The Muslims are the same about how they treat women and non-Muslims the same
way I would treat abortion doctors. If someone wants to blow their [censored]
heads off, I say good riddance. And the women who think abortion is OK can
burn in Hell too for all I care. Now maybe you began to see how Muslims
think about you and the non-Muslim universe.

Peter Clinch of Scotland needs to lie down in the hog trough with Frank
Olson of Canada. They are both apologists for Islam, the most despicable
religion ever known to mankind. The Muslims cause nothing but trouble where
ever they live in the world. Why is that I wonder if they are so g.d. peace
loving?

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

Maybe so, but my income has not changed one iota in all those years. In
fact, I may be getting less now than my father did in 1945 - believe it or
not! My best advice to all of you out there in la-la land who want to get on
in your lives, do not ever even THINK about going into downtown real estate
in a small town in the Midwest. You will end up in the poor house if you do.

Mr. Dolan,

The appearance of Wal-Mart that you have celebrated and the
disappearance of locally owned retail businesses (which you have also
celebrated) is directly responsible in the decreasing property and
rental values of your downtown real estate.

Has the money you saved on consumer goods shopping at Wal-Mart been
lesser or greater than your economic loss in downtown real estate?

--
Tom Sherman - Curmudgeon and Pedant

Ogg Oggiby said:

...
How come so many Muslims have camels with missing humps?...

And how many have been killed in the name of "Christianity"? Jesus would
be appalled at most of the actions taken in his name.

--
Tom Sherman - Curmudgeon and Pedant

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Ogg Oggiby said:

...
How come so many Muslims have camels with missing humps?...

And how many have been killed in the name of "Christianity"?

I don't know.

I suppose it depends wholly on what period of time you wish to reference and
what actions you wish include under your "in the name of" umbrella. The
number could be whatever you will it to be.

Generally speaking I'm not aware of a pattern of Christian men killing their
wives and daughters in honor killings. In my time of life I don't recall
any Christian men stoning women to death for adultery. Since the inception
of the mullahs' rule in Iran, hundreds of women of
various ages have been and continue to be stoned to death for the crimes of
adultery on down to the serious irreverence of not fasting during Ramadan.

The case study is here:
http://www.iran-e-azad.org/stoning/women.html

Jesus would

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be appalled at most of the actions taken in his name.

I'm not that much of a Christian so I'm definitely not in regular
communication with Jesus and can't speak for him. I'll have to take your
word on this.

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Quoted message said:

Ogg Oggiby said:

How come so many Muslims have camels with missing humps?

There's plenty of so-called Christians who abuse women's rights as well

So why the hell don't you put a period at the end of your sentence. Are
you another Mark Leuck put here on this earth to drive me insane?

Christians who abuse women are never approved of and they are always
condemned. Just the reverse of that is true in Muslim societies. Ever hear
of the Taliban - you moron?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In any event, you do not seem to feel the well documented abuse of women
and female children under Islam is anything that requires your
attention. Or maybe you, like so many others, are afraid to speak up
because of political correctness or the fear of physical retribution.

A good friend of mine is a Muslim. She doesn't speak out against her
mistreatment because... she isn't mistreated! Do I think she'd mistreat
female children because of her religion? Well, she's a qualified
paediatrician working in a Scottish hospital, so I'd say no!

Maybe the Muslims living in England are somewhat constrained since they
are a minority and the laws are against them doing what they would like to
do, at least in public - or did not that ever occur to you.

This is true. Not long ago I read about a new male Muslim immigrant to the
UK who honor killed his daughter for getting too friendly with a Christian
boy. The authorities came for the man and he couldn't understand why they
were there. What did I do wrong he wondered. He was bewildered that he
could be charged with a crime for protecting his honor.

The UK doesn't give Muslims a pass on honor killings, but that didn't stop
them from committing 12 (I believe) honor killings this year.

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Ogg Oggiby said:

...
How come so many Muslims have camels with missing humps?...

And how many have been killed in the name of "Christianity"? Jesus would
be appalled at most of the actions taken in his name.

Here is Mr. Sherman yet once again equating the unequatable. Islam -
Christianity; Palestinians -Israelis; Americans - Iraqis. It is all one and
the same to him. What a muddle he makes of everything.

Here are the complete relevant passages so readers can judge for themselves:

Edward Dolan said:

Maybe the Muslims living in England are somewhat constrained since they
are a minority and the laws are against them doing what they would like to
do, at least in public - or did not that ever occur to you.

Ogg said:

This is true. Not long ago I read about a new male Muslim immigrant to the
UK who honor killed his daughter for getting too friendly with a Christian
boy. The authorities came for the man and he couldn't understand why they
were there. What did I do wrong he wondered. He was bewildered that he
could be charged with a crime for protecting his honor.

The UK doesn't give Muslims a pass on honor killings, but that didn't stop
them from committing 12 (I believe) honor killings this year.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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Edward Dolan said:

Maybe so, but my income has not changed one iota in all those years. In
fact, I may be getting less now than my father did in 1945 - believe it

or

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not! My best advice to all of you out there in la-la land who want to

get on

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in your lives, do not ever even THINK about going into downtown real

estate

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in a small town in the Midwest. You will end up in the poor house if you

do.

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Mr. Dolan,

The appearance of Wal-Mart that you have celebrated and the
disappearance of locally owned retail businesses (which you have also
celebrated) is directly responsible in the decreasing property and
rental values of your downtown real estate.

Has the money you saved on consumer goods shopping at Wal-Mart been
lesser or greater than your economic loss in downtown real estate?

--
Tom Sherman - Curmudgeon and Pedant

I have this wierd feeling that the area Mr Dolan lives in was suffering long
before Wal-Mart, mostly because of Mr Dolan

On a side note I moved to Texas a little over 20 years ago from Indiana,
never heard of Wal-Mart before that and the main reason they became popular
in the beginning was because they went to places that no other store chain
would go (small towns etc). They revolutionized the department store
industry just like those small businesses did beforehand.

I'm 44 years old and while I may not be as old as some here but I remember
when I was a kid living out in the country, we would shop at the downtown
stores Hoopston Illinois which was the closest town to us, you had maybe 2
stores to choose from and the selection was lousy, I would have killed for a
Wal-Mart back then.

Like it or not if small businesses cannot adapt then they will go bye bye
just as Sears and K-Mart put many under when they were big, same could be
said for the popularity of malls, Wal-Mart is just another step and someday
someone will come along and do to Wal-Mart what they did to Sears or K-Mart

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Edward Dolan said:

Maybe so, but my income has not changed one iota in all those years. In
fact, I may be getting less now than my father did in 1945 - believe it
or not! My best advice to all of you out there in la-la land who want to
get on in your lives, do not ever even THINK about going into downtown
real estate in a small town in the Midwest. You will end up in the poor
house if you do.

Mr. Dolan,

The appearance of Wal-Mart that you have celebrated and the disappearance
of locally owned retail businesses (which you have also celebrated) is
directly responsible in the decreasing property and rental values of your
downtown real estate.

Has the money you saved on consumer goods shopping at Wal-Mart been lesser
or greater than your economic loss in downtown real estate?

Small town downtowns went to hell long before Wal-Mart ever showed up. It
was those damn shopping malls on the edge of town that began the destruction
of the downtowns. I wish to hell the automobile, which made the shopping
malls possible, had never been invented. The old days were better when towns
had a center and all roads led to it. Now, if you can believe it,
professional offices and other types of offices are located out on the edge
of town. It is total insanity!

There are a few towns left in this country (usually way out West in the
boondocks) which have preserved their downtowns. They are a delight to be
in. It is like stepping back into the 1940's. I really feel sorry for the
young people who do not know what they have missed living in their metros
and their suburbs. The good old days really were the good old days.

The old downtowns are all in ruins, and not just in small towns either.
Fairly sizable cities have ruined downtowns too. Screw it! I am glad I am
old and am going to die and leave this miserable world soon. The young can
have it and they are welcome to it.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota