Re: Classic 2 1/4 Pound Diet Got Peary to the Pole

Bob Mauri said:

Quoted message said:

Well, maybe I got something wrong, but are not you (according to 2PD)
supposed to weight your pasta AFTER cooking (that is after rehydratation,
sort of)?

Mirek

You weigh hot tea with cream and sugar? Or do you weigh just the cream
and the sugar? What about soda? Do you weigh that? Hmmm...two "pounds"
of soda a day -- I wonder what a bottle of soda weighs.

All of your answers are on the website in plain english even Mirek can
read. When you have demonstrated that you can read them, then the
discussion will begin again.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

Quoted message said:

You weigh hot tea with cream and sugar?

Yes.

Quoted message said:

Or do you weigh just the cream
and the sugar?

No.

But that doesn't make sense. Why can you drink unsweetened tea with no
limit but once you add cream and sugar you are weighing the entire
solution? The weight of the zero calorie tea shouldn't count against
your daily allotment once other items are added - it should only be the
items that add calories that are monitored.

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Owen Lowe said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

Quoted message said:

You weigh hot tea with cream and sugar?

Yes.

Quoted message said:

Or do you weigh just the cream
and the sugar?

No.

But that doesn't make sense. Why can you drink unsweetened tea with no
limit but once you add cream and sugar you are weighing the entire
solution?

It becomes food.

Quoted message said:

The weight of the zero calorie tea shouldn't count against
your daily allotment once other items are added - it should only be the
items that add calories that are monitored.

Loopholes have to be sealed in order for a lifestyle change to be 100%
effective.

Hope the above information helps you.

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Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But that doesn't make sense. Why can you drink unsweetened tea with no
limit but once you add cream and sugar you are weighing the entire
solution?

MD/PhD said:

It becomes food.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The weight of the zero calorie tea shouldn't count against
your daily allotment once other items are added - it should only be the
items that add calories that are monitored.

MD/PhD said:

Loopholes have to be sealed in order for a lifestyle change to be 100%
effective.

Here is an area where Andrew and I disagree but only in one respect. I deal
with a better educated crowd for the most part, his patients are mostly
blue collar. As the education level decreases, the simpler the better.

I no longer weigh my food, stopped after about 6 weeks. Works for me, might
not work for Joe the Yardman. The average adult client I have is college
level educated. His probably struggled to get out of high school.

I authored the term The Simple Two Pound Diet (mixed with An ounce Of
Common Sense). Andrew never took that phrase on and I agree, for him it
wouldn't work. It works for me and mine.

Point being, when I ate pasta, I did not weigh the water. I understood that
the watered pasta increased the volume of the food but I literally
understood that. I knew it was a modification but it was a modification I
was capable of accounting for. In the end, I went from 205ish to 155ish and
increased my overall, useable strength dramatically.

I don't think that my cardiologist was all too upset about this
modification either.

What's not so funny is that I got injured and a couple of operations were
necessary. My weight and strength dwindled to 144. When I came free of
travel and duty, I knew it was time to get back to eating (I was eating
about 1 pound per day and there were many days I never ate anything). When
the "exit tube" was highly dysfunctional, the desire to eat at all slides
downhill like a rock on a glacier.

Now I am up to 160ish and need to drop a few pounds, back to the gym
regularly. It will be gone by mid Jan if not before. I know what I have to
do and it comes very easily now.

MU said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But that doesn't make sense. Why can you drink unsweetened tea with no
limit but once you add cream and sugar you are weighing the entire
solution?

MD/PhD said:

It becomes food.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The weight of the zero calorie tea shouldn't count against
your daily allotment once other items are added - it should only be the
items that add calories that are monitored.

MD/PhD said:

Loopholes have to be sealed in order for a lifestyle change to be 100%
effective.

Here is an area where Andrew and I disagree but only in one respect. I deal
with a better educated crowd for the most part, his patients are mostly
blue collar. As the education level decreases, the simpler the better.

In truth, the professionals (PhDs, MDs, etc) have the greatest
difficulty with starting the 2PD Approach.

They have much more to unlearn.

Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
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MU said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But that doesn't make sense. Why can you drink unsweetened tea with no
limit but once you add cream and sugar you are weighing the entire
solution?

MD/PhD said:

It becomes food.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The weight of the zero calorie tea shouldn't count against
your daily allotment once other items are added - it should only be the
items that add calories that are monitored.

MD/PhD said:

Loopholes have to be sealed in order for a lifestyle change to be 100%
effective.

Here is an area where Andrew and I disagree but only in one respect. I deal
with a better educated crowd for the most part, his patients are mostly
blue collar. As the education level decreases, the simpler the better.

I no longer weigh my food, stopped after about 6 weeks. Works for me, might
not work for Joe the Yardman. The average adult client I have is college
level educated. His probably struggled to get out of high school.

I authored the term The Simple Two Pound Diet (mixed with An ounce Of
Common Sense). Andrew never took that phrase on and I agree, for him it
wouldn't work. It works for me and mine.

Point being, when I ate pasta, I did not weigh the water. I understood that
the watered pasta increased the volume of the food but I literally
understood that. I knew it was a modification but it was a modification I
was capable of accounting for. In the end, I went from 205ish to 155ish and
increased my overall, useable strength dramatically.

I don't think that my cardiologist was all too upset about this
modification either.

What's not so funny is that I got injured and a couple of operations were
necessary. My weight and strength dwindled to 144. When I came free of
travel and duty, I knew it was time to get back to eating (I was eating
about 1 pound per day and there were many days I never ate anything). When
the "exit tube" was highly dysfunctional, the desire to eat at all slides
downhill like a rock on a glacier.

Now I am up to 160ish and need to drop a few pounds, back to the gym
regularly. It will be gone by mid Jan if not before. I know what I have to
do and it comes very easily now.

Yes, you have been enlightened about "watching how much you are eating"
via the 2PD Approach.

This enlightenment is forever.

Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Here is an area where Andrew and I disagree but only in one respect. I deal
with a better educated crowd for the most part, his patients are mostly
blue collar. As the education level decreases, the simpler the better.

MD/PhD said:

In truth, the professionals (PhDs, MDs, etc) have the greatest
difficulty with starting the 2PD Approach.

They have much more to unlearn.

I concur. "Where's the book?" "What, only a website?" It's like if it isn't
complicated, it won't work. Hence we see all this in depth, in extreme
detail conversation going on about dieting. Same with strength training.
until you get to athletes (and athletic injury), I have a motto that turns
away clients by the droves.

"Push something, squat something, pull something, go home."

They actually get offended when I don't take their money. Honestly, some
ppl. lol

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Now I am up to 160ish and need to drop a few pounds, back to the gym
regularly. It will be gone by mid Jan if not before. I know what I have to
do and it comes very easily now.

MD/PhD said:

Yes, you have been enlightened about "watching how much you are eating"
via the 2PD Approach.

This enlightenment is forever.

Yes, it appears so.

I feel so sorry for the obese but I also recognize that many ppl who fool
around looking to find the max, the upper limit of what they can eat, are
really only playing a game with themselves. They haven't actually committed
to weighing less or they have fooled themselves into thinking they have.

It's rampant especially in the low carb groups who are oh so happy about
having to keep a bunch of [censored] in their diets. "Yay, pork skins and <insert
fat filled meat>!" Atkins has really sold out and they have bought in.

I picked up Ornish today. I think he sold out when he took a cardiac
disease reversing diet and went mainstream with it. That's a cookbook. Over
400 pages and only 50 have any substance. The rest are menus and cooking
guides. Pastorio should have written it.

And the title. "Eat More, Weigh Less." What a tool he turned out to be.

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Quoted message said:

Here is an area where Andrew and I disagree but only in one respect. I
deal
with a better educated crowd for the most part, his patients are mostly
blue collar. As the education level decreases, the simpler the better.

I no longer weigh my food, stopped after about 6 weeks. Works for me,
might
not work for Joe the Yardman. The average adult client I have is college
level educated. His probably struggled to get out of high school.

Point being, when I ate pasta, I did not weigh the water. I understood
that
the watered pasta increased the volume of the food but I literally
understood that. I knew it was a modification but it was a modification I
was capable of accounting for. In the end, I went from 205ish to 155ish
and

Oh ho. You seem to be missing basic principles of 2PD approach IMO.

Either you weight everything, or you are back to counting calories (just
using another average). Or, if you insist, you rediscovered basic truth that
eating less results in weight loss.

How many of 50 peoples you are accounting as succesful 2PD followers are
rather using this modified method?

Mirek

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Quoted message said:

I feel so sorry for the obese but I also recognize that many ppl who fool
around looking to find the max, the upper limit of what they can eat, are
really only playing a game with themselves.

True. In the absolute end of things, it is always about calories.

Quoted message said:

I picked up Ornish today. I think he sold out when he took a cardiac
disease reversing diet and went mainstream with it. That's a cookbook.
Over
400 pages and only 50 have any substance. The rest are menus and cooking
guides. Pastorio should have written it.

And the title. "Eat More, Weigh Less." What a tool he turned out to be.

fool ? 🙂

Mirek

"his patients are mostly blue collar. As the education level
decreases, the simpler the better."

Aside from the patronizing tone above, we aren't concerned with his
communication strategy but with the scientific validity of the diet as he
presents it. It is for the benefit of those who read here and

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:53:40 +0100, "Mirek Fídler" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

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Quoted message said:

Here is an area where Andrew and I disagree but only in one respect. I
deal
with a better educated crowd for the most part, his patients are mostly
blue collar. As the education level decreases, the simpler the better.

I no longer weigh my food, stopped after about 6 weeks. Works for me,
might
not work for Joe the Yardman. The average adult client I have is college
level educated. His probably struggled to get out of high school.

Point being, when I ate pasta, I did not weigh the water. I understood
that
the watered pasta increased the volume of the food but I literally
understood that. I knew it was a modification but it was a modification I
was capable of accounting for. In the end, I went from 205ish to 155ish
and

Oh ho. You seem to be missing basic principles of 2PD approach IMO.

Either you weight everything, or you are back to counting calories (just
using another average). Or, if you insist, you rediscovered basic truth that
eating less results in weight loss.

How many of 50 peoples you are accounting as succesful 2PD followers are
rather using this modified method?

Mirek

After a while, you just know how much something weighs because it is
exactly the same as the one you had yesterday or last week. I don't
weigh my breakfast every day because it is usually the same. (If
different I might weigh it.) I didn't weigh yesterday's breakfast but
I did weigh today's (for you) but don't worry, yesterday's weighed the
same.

Another factor is that after you've been doing this for a while, you
know what a 15 oz dinner feels like in you belly as you eat it. If
you eat slowly, enjoying it as it deserves, you give yourself time to
feel this and you more or less automatically know when dinner ought to
be over.

So I confess to not weighing _everything_ anymore. But I still know
that I'm in the right ball park.The digital food scale continues to
reside on top of the counter by where we serve our plates.

John

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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:53:40 +0100, "Mirek Fídler" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

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Quoted message said:

Here is an area where Andrew and I disagree but only in one respect. I
deal
with a better educated crowd for the most part, his patients are mostly
blue collar. As the education level decreases, the simpler the better.

I no longer weigh my food, stopped after about 6 weeks. Works for me,
might
not work for Joe the Yardman. The average adult client I have is college
level educated. His probably struggled to get out of high school.

Point being, when I ate pasta, I did not weigh the water. I understood
that
the watered pasta increased the volume of the food but I literally
understood that. I knew it was a modification but it was a modification
I
was capable of accounting for. In the end, I went from 205ish to 155ish
and

Oh ho. You seem to be missing basic principles of 2PD approach IMO.

Either you weight everything, or you are back to counting calories (just
using another average). Or, if you insist, you rediscovered basic truth
that
eating less results in weight loss.

How many of 50 peoples you are accounting as succesful 2PD followers are
rather using this modified method?

Mirek

After a while, you just know how much something weighs because it is
exactly the same as the one you had yesterday or last week. I don't

That is not a problem I was addressing. Micheal just explained that he does
weight pasta uncooked and was "accounting" for it.

OK, this of course does make sense, but in fact, when there is any
"opposition" against 2PD thing, it is always about water content of food.

Mirek

"Most. They are well educated and most have quit weighing once they and
their bodies either easily recognized the 2 pound limitation,
couldn't/didn't want to eat any more than 2 pounds or both."

What happened to the blue collar folk using thi, which demanded
instructions dumbed down for them, patronizing and all? I'm with Andrew
on this, the educated people get cocky and the jig is up.

Mirek Fídler said:

You seem to be missing basic principles of 2PD approach IMO.

Either you weight everything, or you are back to counting calories (just
using another average). Or, if you insist, you rediscovered basic truth that
eating less results in weight loss.

Life is not linear. Weight loss is not linear. Followers of the 2PDiet need
not be linear unless they are best served by a one way only process.

Quoted message said:

How many of 50 peoples you are accounting as succesful 2PD followers are
rather using this modified method?

Mirek

Most. They are well educated and most have quit weighing once they and
their bodies either easily recognized the 2 pound limitation,
couldn't/didn't want to eat any more than 2 pounds or both.

John said:

So I confess to not weighing _everything_ anymore.

Nor should you. One of the problems that forces dieters off other diet
plans, in droves, is this constant counting, tracking etc. Aside from the
high inaccuracy of counting cals or carbs, it's downright annoying, time
consuming and, eventually, counterproductive.

Then you have to read a book like Atkins which stresses Life Science
degreed ppl to understand.

I hear ppl on asdl-c all the time who claim to understand it. Bullhockey.
They pull out what they *can* understand which is the basics of counting
carbs and how to do so. The rest they conveniently ignore.

Mirek Fídler said:

OK, this of course does make sense, but in fact, when there is any
"opposition" against 2PD thing, it is always about water content of food.

Hardly. The opposition to the 2PDiet is strewn with ridiculous comments
that do not include anything about water.

Mirek Fídler said:

That is not a problem I was addressing. Micheal just explained that he does
weight pasta uncooked and was "accounting" for it.

Whose Michael?

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Quoted message said:

Mirek Fídler said:

That is not a problem I was addressing. Micheal just explained that he
does
weight pasta uncooked and was "accounting" for it.

Whose Michael?

Ah, sorry, my memory is probably not working well, for a moment I thought
you agreed to be Micheal Underwood, but perhaps either you did not or I
remember it wrong.

Mirek

Mirek Fídler said:

Quoted message said:

Whose Michael?

Ah, sorry, my memory is probably not working well, for a moment I thought
you agreed to be Micheal Underwood, but perhaps either you did not or I
remember it wrong.

Mirek

That was the Puppy making an obsessive attempt to identify me. He "quackly"
ceased but not without making a complete fool out of himself in the
process.