The Musseuw Defense

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"I just tried to do my work," Museeuw said on Saturday after the Belgian
newspaper De Morgen published excerpts from the official record of the
prosecutor in the case that probed text messages sent between Museeuw and
veterinary surgeon Jose Landuyt, who is under investigation for
trafficking illegal drugs.

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/7374.0.html

I am watching the 2002 Paris Roubaix right now. The advantage he had over
Hincapie, Boonen and Wessemen was considerable.

He gave them 2+ minutes in the last 50 km. 36 years old and he rides away
from a group of talented riders.

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"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"I just tried to do my work," Museeuw said on Saturday after the Belgian
newspaper De Morgen published excerpts from the official record of the
prosecutor in the case that probed text messages sent between Museeuw and
veterinary surgeon Jose Landuyt, who is under investigation for
trafficking illegal drugs.

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/7374.0.html

I am watching the 2002 Paris Roubaix right now. The advantage he had over
Hincapie, Boonen and Wessemen was considerable.

He gave them 2+ minutes in the last 50 km. 36 years old and he rides away
from a group of talented riders.

And Tafi in the Ronde 2002?

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"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"I just tried to do my work," Museeuw said on Saturday after the Belgian
newspaper De Morgen published excerpts from the official record of the
prosecutor in the case that probed text messages sent between Museeuw
and veterinary surgeon Jose Landuyt, who is under investigation for
trafficking illegal drugs.

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/7374.0.html

I am watching the 2002 Paris Roubaix right now. The advantage he had over
Hincapie, Boonen and Wessemen was considerable.

He gave them 2+ minutes in the last 50 km. 36 years old and he rides away
from a group of talented riders.

And Tafi in the Ronde 2002?

Mapei and Domo were both pretty dirty teams. Sad to see Mapei leave the
sport as a big sponsor because of it, although the family that owns Mapei
will always support cycling in one way or another.

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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"I just tried to do my work," Museeuw said on Saturday after the
Belgian newspaper De Morgen published excerpts from the official record
of the prosecutor in the case that probed text messages sent between
Museeuw and veterinary surgeon Jose Landuyt, who is under investigation
for trafficking illegal drugs.

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/7374.0.html

And if you look at the lead article of the same web page that Lafferty links
above you will see:

"Armstong scores in libel suit, paper reports"

"The British Guardian newspaper reported Saturday that Lance Armstong had
scored 'a significant victory' in his libel suit against The Sunday Times
and its chief sportswriter, David Walsh."

Hmmm.... I wonder why Lafferty didn't mention that article?

"DC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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And if you look at the lead article of the same web page that Lafferty
links
above you will see:

"Armstong scores in libel suit, paper reports"

"The British Guardian newspaper reported Saturday that Lance Armstong had
scored 'a significant victory' in his libel suit against The Sunday Times
and its chief sportswriter, David Walsh."

Hmmm.... I wonder why Lafferty didn't mention that article?

Yes, that is curious isn't it?

"DC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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"I just tried to do my work," Museeuw said on Saturday after the
Belgian newspaper De Morgen published excerpts from the official record
of the prosecutor in the case that probed text messages sent between
Museeuw and veterinary surgeon Jose Landuyt, who is under investigation
for trafficking illegal drugs.

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/7374.0.html

And if you look at the lead article of the same web page that Lafferty
links
above you will see:

"Armstong scores in libel suit, paper reports"

"The British Guardian newspaper reported Saturday that Lance Armstong had
scored 'a significant victory' in his libel suit against The Sunday Times
and its chief sportswriter, David Walsh."

Hmmm.... I wonder why Lafferty didn't mention that article?

Good, I am glad he won. People should shut-up until they have proof.

But... I'll be happy when they finally catch him. The proof is out there -
in our sport it always is.

DC said:

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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"I just tried to do my work," Museeuw said on Saturday after the
Belgian newspaper De Morgen published excerpts from the official

record

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of the prosecutor in the case that probed text messages sent

between

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Museeuw and veterinary surgeon Jose Landuyt, who is under

investigation

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for trafficking illegal drugs.

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/7374.0.html

And if you look at the lead article of the same web page that

Lafferty links

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above you will see:

"Armstong scores in libel suit, paper reports"

"The British Guardian newspaper reported Saturday that Lance Armstong

had

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scored 'a significant victory' in his libel suit against The Sunday

Times

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and its chief sportswriter, David Walsh."

Hmmm.... I wonder why Lafferty didn't mention that article?

That's a really good question since The Guardian is one of his favorite
newspapers that he defends as totally unbiased.
He is convinced that if it's there it's God's own Truth, or so it seems
to me.
Bill C

Tom Kunich said:

"DC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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And if you look at the lead article of the same web page that

Lafferty

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links
above you will see:

"Armstong scores in libel suit, paper reports"

"The British Guardian newspaper reported Saturday that Lance

Armstong had

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scored 'a significant victory' in his libel suit against The Sunday

Times

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and its chief sportswriter, David Walsh."

Hmmm.... I wonder why Lafferty didn't mention that article?

Yes, that is curious isn't it?

Dumbass -

It's because, by his own admission and insistence, he's not biased.
K. Gringioni.

"Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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DC said:

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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"I just tried to do my work," Museeuw said on Saturday after the
Belgian newspaper De Morgen published excerpts from the official

record

Quoted message said:

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of the prosecutor in the case that probed text messages sent

between

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Museeuw and veterinary surgeon Jose Landuyt, who is under

investigation

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for trafficking illegal drugs.

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/7374.0.html

And if you look at the lead article of the same web page that

Lafferty links

Quoted message said:

above you will see:

"Armstong scores in libel suit, paper reports"

"The British Guardian newspaper reported Saturday that Lance Armstong

had

Quoted message said:

scored 'a significant victory' in his libel suit against The Sunday

Times

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and its chief sportswriter, David Walsh."

Hmmm.... I wonder why Lafferty didn't mention that article?

That's a really good question since The Guardian is one of his favorite
newspapers that he defends as totally unbiased.
He is convinced that if it's there it's God's own Truth, or so it seems
to me.
Bill C

He won a libel suit, and so he should have. But this does not prove him
clean.

lewdvig said:

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and its chief sportswriter, David Walsh."

Hmmm.... I wonder why Lafferty didn't mention that article?

That's a really good question since The Guardian is one of his

favorite

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newspapers that he defends as totally unbiased.
He is convinced that if it's there it's God's own Truth, or so it

seems

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to me.
Bill C

He won a libel suit, and so he should have. But this does not prove

him

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clean.

Dumbass -

As has been stated too many times here before, it's impossible to prove
a negative.

K. Gringioni.

"Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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DC said:

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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"I just tried to do my work," Museeuw said on Saturday after the
Belgian newspaper De Morgen published excerpts from the official

record

Quoted message said:

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of the prosecutor in the case that probed text messages sent

between

Quoted message said:

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Museeuw and veterinary surgeon Jose Landuyt, who is under

investigation

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for trafficking illegal drugs.

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/7374.0.html

And if you look at the lead article of the same web page that

Lafferty links

Quoted message said:

above you will see:

"Armstong scores in libel suit, paper reports"

"The British Guardian newspaper reported Saturday that Lance Armstong

had

Quoted message said:

scored 'a significant victory' in his libel suit against The Sunday

Times

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and its chief sportswriter, David Walsh."

Hmmm.... I wonder why Lafferty didn't mention that article?

That's a really good question since The Guardian is one of his favorite
newspapers that he defends as totally unbiased.

Bill, I have NEVER claimed that the Guardian is without any bias. I think
you know that.

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He is convinced that if it's there it's God's own Truth, or so it seems
to me.

Can't be God's own truth for two reasons:
1. Goedel's Theorem;
2. God is dead.

"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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lewdvig said:

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> and its chief sportswriter, David Walsh."
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> Hmmm.... I wonder why Lafferty didn't mention that article?

That's a really good question since The Guardian is one of his

favorite

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newspapers that he defends as totally unbiased.
He is convinced that if it's there it's God's own Truth, or so it

seems

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to me.
Bill C

He won a libel suit, and so he should have. But this does not prove

him

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clean.

Dumbass -

As has been stated too many times here before, it's impossible to prove
a negative.

K. Gringioni.

You won't have to prove a negative indefinitely in Lance's case. He is a
doper, evidence surely exists, and enough people dislaike him that
eventually he will be outed.

B. Lafferty said:

"Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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DC said:

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> "I just tried to do my work," Museeuw said on Saturday after the
> Belgian newspaper De Morgen published excerpts from the official

record

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> of the prosecutor in the case that probed text messages sent

between

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> Museeuw and veterinary surgeon Jose Landuyt, who is under

investigation

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> for trafficking illegal drugs.
>
> http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/7374.0.html
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And if you look at the lead article of the same web page that

Lafferty links

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above you will see:

"Armstong scores in libel suit, paper reports"

"The British Guardian newspaper reported Saturday that Lance

Armstong

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had

Quoted message said:

scored 'a significant victory' in his libel suit against The

Sunday

Quoted message said:

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Times

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and its chief sportswriter, David Walsh."

Hmmm.... I wonder why Lafferty didn't mention that article?

That's a really good question since The Guardian is one of his

favorite

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newspapers that he defends as totally unbiased.

Bill, I have NEVER claimed that the Guardian is without any bias. I

think

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you know that.

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He is convinced that if it's there it's God's own Truth, or so it

seems

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to me.

Can't be God's own truth for two reasons:
1. Goedel's Theorem;
2. God is dead.

Brian you have continually made the point that Molly Ivins, Krugman,
etc.. are the only honest journalists left. The Guardian would, and has
declared the IDF killing a suicide bomber before he/she was able to set
it off as an Israeli crime. Al Manzar has been banned as a propaganda
arn in France and the US, Next is Al-jazeera I hope since they have
been tied to the terrorists as doing their propaganda. See the videotap
linking then to the Husseins and their choice to hide the slaughter of
other Arabs so that they could stay on the air. AP has also admitted
that they tailor their news coverage to present the terrorists in a
positive light so that their correspondents aren't killed. You rip the
US for restricting press freedom but have NOTHING to say about the
other side's coerced propaganda.
Bill C

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

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Can't be God's own truth for two reasons:
1. Goedel's Theorem;
2. God is dead.

Yuck yuck.

JF

Bill C said:

Brian you have continually made the point that Molly Ivins, Krugman,
etc.. are the only honest journalists left. The Guardian would, and

has

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declared the IDF killing a suicide bomber before he/she was able to

set

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it off as an Israeli crime. Al Manzar has been banned as a propaganda
arn in France and the US, Next is Al-jazeera I hope since they have
been tied to the terrorists as doing their propaganda. See the

videotap

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linking then to the Husseins and their choice to hide the slaughter

of

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other Arabs so that they could stay on the air. AP has also admitted
that they tailor their news coverage to present the terrorists in a
positive light so that their correspondents aren't killed. You rip

the

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US for restricting press freedom but have NOTHING to say about the
other side's coerced propaganda.

Dumbass -

All that is correct, but the result is that in the Arab world it's
skewed drastically to one side, in our country it's skewed drastically
to the other side and the rest of the world gets a balanced view.

Our media never challenged the pre-war WMD rationale. That's one reason
why we are where we are right now, with the armies in both Iraq
(unecessary war) and Afghanistan (necessary war) undermanned.
K. Gringioni.

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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"I just tried to do my work," Museeuw said on Saturday after the
Belgian newspaper De Morgen published excerpts from the official
record
of the prosecutor in the case that probed text messages sent between
Museeuw and veterinary surgeon Jose Landuyt, who is under
investigation
for trafficking illegal drugs.

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/7374.0.html

And if you look at the lead article of the same web page that
Lafferty links
above you will see:

"Armstong scores in libel suit, paper reports"

"The British Guardian newspaper reported Saturday that Lance Armstong
had
scored 'a significant victory' in his libel suit against The Sunday
Times
and its chief sportswriter, David Walsh."

Hmmm.... I wonder why Lafferty didn't mention that article?

The reasons are quite simple. I decided not to comment before having
read the entire ocurt decision. I was about two pages into a 23 page
decision when we had a power failure due to the ice stom we have had
today. After 2+ hours of no power, voila--the power is back on.

UK libel law is frankly arcaine.

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And from the UK perspective, US libel law is ...............??? Lets
not even talk about the rest of the US legal system lest we have to hear
Lafferty redefine himself into respectability. Lafferty could be the
quintessential posterchild of the folks who middleman [censored] flow and wish
it to retain a common perception of value.

Phil H

"Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Brian you have continually made the point that Molly Ivins, Krugman,
etc.. are the only honest journalists left.

I've never said they were the only honest journalists. The can stand on
their own without a defense from me. And, neither of them write for the
Guardian. And I never said the Gaurdian is without its bias/point of view.

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The Guardian would, and has
declared the IDF killing a suicide bomber before he/she was able to set
it off as an Israeli crime. Al Manzar has been banned as a propaganda
arn in France and the US, Next is Al-jazeera I hope since they have
been tied to the terrorists as doing their propaganda. See the videotap
linking then to the Husseins and their choice to hide the slaughter of
other Arabs so that they could stay on the air. AP has also admitted
that they tailor their news coverage to present the terrorists in a
positive light so that their correspondents aren't killed. You rip the
US for restricting press freedom but have NOTHING to say about the
other side's coerced propaganda.

It's always best to read a variety of news ouotlets. That why I even scan
the Bush house newspaper--The Washington Times.

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Bill C

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<snip>

And from the UK perspective, US libel law is ...............??? Lets not
even talk about the rest of the US legal system lest we have to hear
Lafferty redefine himself into respectability. Lafferty could be the
quintessential posterchild of the folks who middleman [censored] flow and wish
it to retain a common perception of value.

Care to comment on the judge's decision, Phil?

B. Lafferty said:

"Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Brian you have continually made the point that Molly Ivins,

Krugman,

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etc.. are the only honest journalists left.

I've never said they were the only honest journalists. The can stand

on

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their own without a defense from me. And, neither of them write for

the

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Guardian. And I never said the Gaurdian is without its bias/point of

view.

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Those along with Dowd and several Guardian editorialists are what you
send along to everyone. Almost none of the stuff is even close to
balanced. It's the same [censored] Drudge and Limbaugh put out, but for the
other side. It really doesn't seem to matter to you how credible the
source is, or how well researched the piece is. If it's something that
you agree with it's gospel, if you disgree it's garbage no matter what
it's merits.

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The Guardian would, and has
declared the IDF killing a suicide bomber before he/she was able to

set

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it off as an Israeli crime. Al Manzar has been banned as a

propaganda

Quoted message said:

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arn in France and the US, Next is Al-jazeera I hope since they have
been tied to the terrorists as doing their propaganda. See the

videotap

Quoted message said:

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linking then to the Husseins and their choice to hide the slaughter

of

Quoted message said:

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other Arabs so that they could stay on the air. AP has also

admitted

Quoted message said:

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that they tailor their news coverage to present the terrorists in a
positive light so that their correspondents aren't killed. You rip

the

Quoted message said:

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US for restricting press freedom but have NOTHING to say about the
other side's coerced propaganda.

It's always best to read a variety of news ouotlets. That why I even

scan

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the Bush house newspaper--The Washington Times.

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Bill C