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" rosie readandpost" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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i threw a turkey breast in the oven after spraying it with olive oil
and taking a trip through the spice cabinet.
had several slices along with 1/2 baked sweet potato with (lots) of
butter.

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I had a low-carb Healthy Choice dinner of 300 calories, plus 2 slices
low-carb bread = 380 calories. Bedtime snack was 1/2 an apple, about 40
calories. Walked the treadmill for 1.86 miles but seem stuck at 165/166
lbs.
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Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
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Hi,
Wysong:

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:: I had a low-carb Healthy Choice dinner of 300 calories, plus 2
slices low-carb bread = 380 calories. Bedtime snack was 1/2 an
apple,
:: about 40 calories. Walked the treadmill for 1.86 miles but seem
:: stuck at 165/166 lbs.

Roger:

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You're not stalling are you?

You're bad Roger. Very bad indeed. <G>

Take care,
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Wysong *~ wrote:
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:: " rosie readandpost" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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::: i threw a turkey breast in the oven after spraying it with olive oil
::: and taking a trip through the spice cabinet.
::: had several slices along with 1/2 baked sweet potato with (lots) of
::: butter.
:: ================
:: I had a low-carb Healthy Choice dinner of 300 calories, plus 2 slices
:: low-carb bread = 380 calories. Bedtime snack was 1/2 an apple,
:: about 40 calories. Walked the treadmill for 1.86 miles but seem
:: stuck at 165/166 lbs.

You're not stalling are you?

Wysong *~ said:

I had a low-carb Healthy Choice dinner of 300 calories, plus 2 slices
low-carb bread = 380 calories. Bedtime snack was 1/2 an apple, about 40
calories. Walked the treadmill for 1.86 miles but seem stuck at 165/166
lbs.
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
==========================================

So, to recap your sig, you're at exactly the weight you were over three
years ago. And on your new self-created diet plan, you lost an initial
six pounds in several days and have lost zero weight since.

How is this new plan then better than Atkins was? And when are you going
to acknowledge that you need to eat less and/or exercise more if you
intend to lose more weight?

KeS

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Wysong *~ wrote:
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:: " rosie readandpost" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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::: i threw a turkey breast in the oven after spraying it with olive oil
::: and taking a trip through the spice cabinet.
::: had several slices along with 1/2 baked sweet potato with (lots) of
::: butter.
:: ================
:: I had a low-carb Healthy Choice dinner of 300 calories, plus 2 slices
:: low-carb bread = 380 calories. Bedtime snack was 1/2 an apple,
:: about 40 calories. Walked the treadmill for 1.86 miles but seem
:: stuck at 165/166 lbs.

You're not stalling are you?

===================='
I don't know. You tell me. Since you're also on the Weight Watcher, I'm
sure you'll claim to drop calories under 1200 now and start the starvation
process (chills, heart palps, dizziness). Or you'll suggest I go back on
"strict LC," drop the calories below 1200 and start eating cups and cups of
SUMPTUOUS vegetarian fare. You know, some salad, a tiny piece of meat, 3
cups of veggies and 64 oz of unnecessary water - and start the *SAME*
starvation process...... ;-)
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Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
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Hi,
Wysong:

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:: I had a low-carb Healthy Choice dinner of 300 calories, plus 2
slices low-carb bread = 380 calories. Bedtime snack was 1/2 an
apple,
:: about 40 calories. Walked the treadmill for 1.86 miles but seem
:: stuck at 165/166 lbs.

Roger:

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You're not stalling are you?

You're bad Roger. Very bad indeed. <G>

==========================
Well if I couldn't lose on Atkins and 1200 calories a day, I figured I'd try
something else after a 2 year stall LCing. My NP suggested I do this and
it sounded great to me. But it seems the LC diet has *changed* on this NG
from SUMPTUOUS meat based meals, to LC veggie meals. I wonder why? CALORIES
perhaps? So Carmen, tell us, how much are YOU losing each week on LC? ;-)
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
==========================================

Wysong *~' P@P said:

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Roger:

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You're not stalling are you?

You're bad Roger. Very bad indeed. <G>

==========================
Well if I couldn't lose on Atkins and 1200 calories a day, I figured
I'd try
something else after a 2 year stall LCing. My NP suggested I do
this and
it sounded great to me. But it seems the LC diet has *changed* on
this NG
from SUMPTUOUS meat based meals, to LC veggie meals. I wonder why?
CALORIES
perhaps? So Carmen, tell us, how much are YOU losing each week on
LC? ;-)

I hit goal in August 2000. I was able to do that after I realized
that calories count. I'm diabetic so I need to stay low-carb. Of
course the fact that calories count has been known and told in this
group for years. People hear what they want to hear. Hell, Roger
himself told you that calories count 2 years ago.
The group hasn't gone veggie. You're seeing what you want to see.

Carmen
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Potatoes aren't low carb.

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" rosie readandpost" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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i threw a turkey breast in the oven after spraying it with olive oil
and taking a trip through the spice cabinet.
had several slices along with 1/2 baked sweet potato with (lots) of
butter.

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Carmen said:

Wysong *~' P@P said:

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Roger:
> You're not stalling are you?

You're bad Roger. Very bad indeed. <G>

==========================
Well if I couldn't lose on Atkins and 1200 calories a day, I
figured
I'd try
something else after a 2 year stall LCing. My NP suggested I do
this and
it sounded great to me. But it seems the LC diet has *changed*
on
this NG
from SUMPTUOUS meat based meals, to LC veggie meals. I wonder why?
CALORIES
perhaps? So Carmen, tell us, how much are YOU losing each week on
LC? ;-)

I hit goal in August 2000. I was able to do that after I realized
that calories count. I'm diabetic so I need to stay low-carb. Of
course the fact that calories count has been known and told in this
group for years. People hear what they want to hear. Hell, Roger
himself told you that calories count 2 years ago.
The group hasn't gone veggie. You're seeing what you want to see.

I looked back, and saw that *I'd* talked to you about calories way
back in 2001. You whinged at my detailed description of how to figure
out how many calories *you* needed by saying that the math was too
complicated. Jeez you've been telling your tale of stall woe for
almost 4 years now, and you still weigh what you did then. I found
some strangely familiar posts from you. I've got to wonder why you're
still here if low-carb/low-fat/low-cal or plain low-carb don't work
for you.

Carmen
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Wysong *~' P@P said:

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Roger:
> You're not stalling are you?

You're bad Roger. Very bad indeed. <G>

==========================
Well if I couldn't lose on Atkins and 1200 calories a day, I figured
I'd try
something else after a 2 year stall LCing. My NP suggested I do
this and
it sounded great to me. But it seems the LC diet has *changed* on
this NG
from SUMPTUOUS meat based meals, to LC veggie meals. I wonder why?
CALORIES
perhaps? So Carmen, tell us, how much are YOU losing each week on
LC? ;-)

==================================================

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I hit goal in August 2000. I was able to do that after I realized
that calories count.

# That is fantastic! :-) I truly am happy for you.

I'm diabetic so I need to stay low-carb. Of

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course the fact that calories count has been known and told in this
group for years.

# At one time no one on this NG wanted to hear that. They took the Atkins
books for GOSPEL truth! Anyone mentioning calories was quickly told it's
not a diet and no need to count calories - that it was a WOL and blah,
blah,... now I see most posters *HERE* are actually on a LOW CALORIE almost
vegetarian diet. That was NOT the case 2 years ago. There were endless
posts about meat dinners and salad, salad and meat, meat and..... when it
switched to veggies I was gone by then.

People hear what they want to hear. Hell, Roger

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himself told you that calories count 2 years ago.

# And I dropped them to 1200c a day and still my weight stayed stable.
1200c when you're on a diet like Atkins which contains a lot of fat is not
much food. Look at the calories in bacon, cheese, cream, nuts, butter etc.
Of course I could drop under 1000c and lose weight, but then I had the
headaches, heart palp's etc.

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The group hasn't gone veggie. You're seeing what you want to see.

# I see more posts about veggies than I do meat, unlike 2 years ago.
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Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
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I looked back, and saw that *I'd* talked to you about calories way
back in 2001. You whinged at my detailed description of how to figure
out how many calories *you* needed by saying that the math was too
complicated.

$$ Maybe it was. I'm not a mathematician. I took the calories from the
cans and packages of food I bought, added them up and got my totals. Why do
you object to THAT? It's fast and easy.

Jeez you've been telling your tale of stall woe for

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almost 4 years now, and you still weigh what you did then.

$$ Yep!

I found

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some strangely familiar posts from you. I've got to wonder why you're
still here if low-carb/low-fat/low-cal or plain low-carb don't work
for you.

$$ Since you claim you reached your GOAL weigh, why are YOU still here?
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Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
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Wysong *~ said:

I had a low-carb Healthy Choice dinner of 300 calories, plus 2 slices
low-carb bread = 380 calories. Bedtime snack was 1/2 an apple, about 40
calories. Walked the treadmill for 1.86 miles but seem stuck at 165/166
lbs.
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
==========================================

So, to recap your sig, you're at exactly the weight you were over three
years ago. And on your new self-created diet plan, you lost an initial
six pounds in several days and have lost zero weight since.

## In several days? Whoops.... you confused your posters. :-)

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How is this new plan then better than Atkins was?

## It has more VARIETY!

And when are you going

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to acknowledge that you need to eat less and/or exercise more if you
intend to lose more weight?

## Yes, I plan to keep dropping the calories until I lose. I don't know
what will happen when the symptoms of starvation start. Maybe they're
normal and my Dr/NP are both wrong and you people are right.....
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Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
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# At one time no one on this NG wanted to hear that. They took the Atkins
books for GOSPEL truth! Anyone mentioning calories was quickly told it's
not a diet and no need to count calories - that it was a WOL and blah,
blah,...

Oh brother. Wysong, I was here when you were here before, and that is total
bullpucky. I remember how so many of us tried to help you when you
complained ad nauseum re being stalled, but pretty much refused to take
anyone's advice, just railed endlessly against Atkins. There was a LOT of
discussion about how some people need to also count calories. You're either
lying purposely, or have the memory of a post-menopausal gnat.

Remember Tina Kaye? Remember Nina? How they had to cut back... way back...
on calories to finally get to goal? We've always known that is often
necessary, although many of us lost weight nicely at first without doing so.
Nothing has changed... not even your whining.

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now I see most posters *HERE* are actually on a LOW CALORIE almost
vegetarian diet. That was NOT the case 2 years ago. There were endless
posts about meat dinners and salad, salad and meat, meat and..... when it
switched to veggies I was gone by then.

Yeah, right. Actually, over time I think the message has gotten through that
after the first weeks of induction you're *supposed* to add as many low-carb
vegetables as you can get away with. Veggies have a very high nutrient
density, and Atkins always was about health as well as weight loss. I think
the book revisions and emphasis on their website has been made continually
stronger to counteract the tendency some dieters have to continue
induction-style eating when they don't need to. That's a good thing, in my
opinion. It doesn't make Atkins invalid, however, as that is what he
recommended all along. And while most of us still center our meals around
meat/poultry/fish/eggs/cheese plus veggies, there have always been
vegetarian low-carbers here.

IOW, you're full of it, Wysong.

HG

Hannah Gruen said:

Remember Tina Kaye? Remember Nina? How they had to cut back... way back...
on calories to finally get to goal?

They also added weight training to that to get to goal if I remember
correctly. Probably added more cardio too but I do not recall.
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Why didn't you exercise?

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Wysong *~' P@P said:

> Roger:
> > You're not stalling are you?
>
> You're bad Roger. Very bad indeed. <G>
==========================
Well if I couldn't lose on Atkins and 1200 calories a day, I figured
I'd try
something else after a 2 year stall LCing. My NP suggested I do
this and
it sounded great to me. But it seems the LC diet has *changed* on
this NG
from SUMPTUOUS meat based meals, to LC veggie meals. I wonder why?
CALORIES
perhaps? So Carmen, tell us, how much are YOU losing each week on
LC? ;-)

==================================================

Quoted message said:

I hit goal in August 2000. I was able to do that after I realized
that calories count.

# That is fantastic! :-) I truly am happy for you.

I'm diabetic so I need to stay low-carb. Of

Quoted message said:

course the fact that calories count has been known and told in this
group for years.

# At one time no one on this NG wanted to hear that. They took the Atkins
books for GOSPEL truth! Anyone mentioning calories was quickly told it's
not a diet and no need to count calories - that it was a WOL and blah,
blah,... now I see most posters *HERE* are actually on a LOW CALORIE
almost
vegetarian diet. That was NOT the case 2 years ago. There were endless
posts about meat dinners and salad, salad and meat, meat and..... when it
switched to veggies I was gone by then.

People hear what they want to hear. Hell, Roger

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himself told you that calories count 2 years ago.

# And I dropped them to 1200c a day and still my weight stayed stable.
1200c when you're on a diet like Atkins which contains a lot of fat is not
much food. Look at the calories in bacon, cheese, cream, nuts, butter
etc.
Of course I could drop under 1000c and lose weight, but then I had the
headaches, heart palp's etc.

Quoted message said:

The group hasn't gone veggie. You're seeing what you want to see.

# I see more posts about veggies than I do meat, unlike 2 years ago.
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
==========================================

Wysong *~' P@P said:

"Carmen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I looked back, and saw that *I'd* talked to you about calories way
back in 2001. You whinged at my detailed description of how to
figure out how many calories *you* needed by saying that the math
was too
complicated.

$$ Maybe it was. I'm not a mathematician. I took the calories
from the cans and packages of food I bought, added them up and got
my totals.
Why do you object to THAT? It's fast and easy.

You aren't truly stupid. You're being deliberately obtuse. You know
full well that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about
figuring out how many calories *you* needed to lose weight, not
figuring out how many you were taking in.

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Jeez you've been telling your tale of stall woe for

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almost 4 years now, and you still weigh what you did then.

$$ Yep!

A bit more reading and I see it's worse than I thought. You've been
posting/whining in ASDLC since 1998 for crying out loud!
And here's something funny: back then the story was that you gained
the weight after you had your second ovary removed. *Now* the story
is you were bedbound for a year and *that's* why you gained all the
weight. You've just been playing people and wasting their time.
That's uncool.

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I found some strangely familiar posts from you. I've got to wonder
why

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you're still here if low-carb/low-fat/low-cal or plain low-carb
don't
work for you.

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$$ Since you claim you reached your GOAL weigh, why are YOU still
here?

As you were told in another post I'm a diabetic, and continue to
low-carb for the sake of my health.

I do believe you've wasted quite enough of my time.

Carmen
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rosie readandpost said:

in my experience, there IS a lot of discussion about veggies here in
ASD-LC,(not more than meat) but i believe that is due to the fact
that so many of us are really enjoying eating them for the first
time in our lives!

I find the discussions regarding veggies get lost in the discussions
about the LC frankenfoods.

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well jamie...............you could always start a thread that is
truly about LOW CARBING, and not OT.

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"jaime" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: <[email hidden]> wrote:
:
: >in my experience, there IS a lot of discussion about veggies here
in
: >ASD-LC,(not more than meat) but i believe that is due to the fact
: >that so many of us are really enjoying eating them for the first
: >time in our lives!
:
: I find the discussions regarding veggies get lost in the
discussions
: about the LC frankenfoods.
:
: ****************************************************
: You, in the red uniform, go see what that noise is!
: ****************************************************

rosie readandpost said:

well jamie...............you could always start a thread that is
truly about LOW CARBING, and not OT.

I *could* but I do not feel like it and am busy with
a few Paleo and organic food groups.

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