Why low carb?

robin said:

I think that I read why somewhere, but now Ive forgotten, and I cant
find a very good explanation anywhere. What I wish to know is what
difference does it make to a fit active person not wanting to lose
weight, not overweight if he eats fat rather than carbohydrate?

Refined carbs cause all manner of problems. Starting with the fact that
refined carbs are oxidants and cause inflammation, both actions being
extremely harmful to us on a cellular level.

Refined carbs are the basic cause of most of todays rampant diseases
like obesity, diabetes, heart disease, coeliac disease, osteporosis,
adhd, anxiety, depression, dental caries, nutritional deficiencies,
auto immune disorders, etc. etc.

On a high carb diet with an active lifestyle you may not be obese, but
the refined carbs are doing their damage, slowly but surely. You may
appear fit but your system is being assaulted constantly on a cellular
level.

During the Korean war, medical people doing autopsies on dead American
soldiers found all kinds of signs of cardio vascular disease among
apparently healthy and physically active young American soldiers. They
looked healthy but they were already starting to go downhill
internally. That gives you a good idea what happens to apparently
healthy active people who eat a diet high in refined carbs. And note,
that the amount of refined carbs, ie. sugars, has increased
significantly in the last two decades.

The only way to good health is to eat real foods, fresh foods, natural
foods, foods full of nutrition. And stay away from manufactured,
nutritionally-bereft [censored] and especially refined carbs. If you eat a
lot of refined [censored], it doesn't matter how active or thin you are, the
refined [censored] will eventually do you serious physical harm.

You have to maximize the amount of real nutrition you get in every bite
of food. Good healthy fats and proteins from good healthy animals are
good healthy foods. Good fresh produce right from the farmers field or
from the fruit tree is chock full of good healthy nutrients. fresh
seafood is healthy. And all of these are naturally and relatively low
carb.

Pasta, cakes, soda, refined-flour white-bread, potato chips, candy,
donuts, RTE cereals, refined grains, pre-packaged meals, instant
packaged foods, powdered soups, powdered sweet drinks, pudding, fruit
rollups, fruit juice beverages... all of these are not real foods and
they contain very little if any nutrition and they contain loads of
added sugars and other chemicals. And all of the these refined foods
tend to be higher in carbs, especially refined carbs.

Low carb is the by far the healthiest alternative. Anyone who says
otherwise either has an agenda or simply does not understand what low
carb really means, or chooses not to understand.

Low carb is about eating real foods and getting real nutrition and
cutting out the fake/manufactured nutritionally-bereft refined [censored].

TC

If we all committed suicide we wouldn't have to worry about disease at all.
Would we?

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robin said:

I think that I read why somewhere, but now Ive forgotten, and I cant
find a very good explanation anywhere. What I wish to know is what
difference does it make to a fit active person not wanting to lose
weight, not overweight if he eats fat rather than carbohydrate?

Refined carbs cause all manner of problems. Starting with the fact that
refined carbs are oxidants and cause inflammation, both actions being
extremely harmful to us on a cellular level.

Refined carbs are the basic cause of most of todays rampant diseases
like obesity, diabetes, heart disease, coeliac disease, osteporosis,
adhd, anxiety, depression, dental caries, nutritional deficiencies,
auto immune disorders, etc. etc.

On a high carb diet with an active lifestyle you may not be obese, but
the refined carbs are doing their damage, slowly but surely. You may
appear fit but your system is being assaulted constantly on a cellular
level.

During the Korean war, medical people doing autopsies on dead American
soldiers found all kinds of signs of cardio vascular disease among
apparently healthy and physically active young American soldiers. They
looked healthy but they were already starting to go downhill
internally. That gives you a good idea what happens to apparently
healthy active people who eat a diet high in refined carbs. And note,
that the amount of refined carbs, ie. sugars, has increased
significantly in the last two decades.

The only way to good health is to eat real foods, fresh foods, natural
foods, foods full of nutrition. And stay away from manufactured,
nutritionally-bereft [censored] and especially refined carbs. If you eat a
lot of refined [censored], it doesn't matter how active or thin you are, the
refined [censored] will eventually do you serious physical harm.

You have to maximize the amount of real nutrition you get in every bite
of food. Good healthy fats and proteins from good healthy animals are
good healthy foods. Good fresh produce right from the farmers field or
from the fruit tree is chock full of good healthy nutrients. fresh
seafood is healthy. And all of these are naturally and relatively low
carb.

Pasta, cakes, soda, refined-flour white-bread, potato chips, candy,
donuts, RTE cereals, refined grains, pre-packaged meals, instant
packaged foods, powdered soups, powdered sweet drinks, pudding, fruit
rollups, fruit juice beverages... all of these are not real foods and
they contain very little if any nutrition and they contain loads of
added sugars and other chemicals. And all of the these refined foods
tend to be higher in carbs, especially refined carbs.

Low carb is the by far the healthiest alternative. Anyone who says
otherwise either has an agenda or simply does not understand what low
carb really means, or chooses not to understand.

Low carb is about eating real foods and getting real nutrition and
cutting out the fake/manufactured nutritionally-bereft refined [censored].

TC

And your point would be.......?

TC

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If we all committed suicide we wouldn't have to worry about disease

at all.

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Would we?

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robin said:

I think that I read why somewhere, but now Ive forgotten, and I

cant

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find a very good explanation anywhere. What I wish to know is

what

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difference does it make to a fit active person not wanting to

lose

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weight, not overweight if he eats fat rather than carbohydrate?

Refined carbs cause all manner of problems. Starting with the fact

that

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refined carbs are oxidants and cause inflammation, both actions

being

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extremely harmful to us on a cellular level.

Refined carbs are the basic cause of most of todays rampant

diseases

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like obesity, diabetes, heart disease, coeliac disease,

osteporosis,

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adhd, anxiety, depression, dental caries, nutritional deficiencies,
auto immune disorders, etc. etc.

On a high carb diet with an active lifestyle you may not be obese,

but

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the refined carbs are doing their damage, slowly but surely. You

may

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appear fit but your system is being assaulted constantly on a

cellular

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level.

During the Korean war, medical people doing autopsies on dead

American

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soldiers found all kinds of signs of cardio vascular disease among
apparently healthy and physically active young American soldiers.

They

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looked healthy but they were already starting to go downhill
internally. That gives you a good idea what happens to apparently
healthy active people who eat a diet high in refined carbs. And

note,

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that the amount of refined carbs, ie. sugars, has increased
significantly in the last two decades.

The only way to good health is to eat real foods, fresh foods,

natural

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foods, foods full of nutrition. And stay away from manufactured,
nutritionally-bereft [censored] and especially refined carbs. If you eat

a

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lot of refined [censored], it doesn't matter how active or thin you are,

the

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refined [censored] will eventually do you serious physical harm.

You have to maximize the amount of real nutrition you get in every

bite

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of food. Good healthy fats and proteins from good healthy animals

are

Quoted message said:

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good healthy foods. Good fresh produce right from the farmers field

or

Quoted message said:

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from the fruit tree is chock full of good healthy nutrients. fresh
seafood is healthy. And all of these are naturally and relatively

low

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carb.

Pasta, cakes, soda, refined-flour white-bread, potato chips, candy,
donuts, RTE cereals, refined grains, pre-packaged meals, instant
packaged foods, powdered soups, powdered sweet drinks, pudding,

fruit

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rollups, fruit juice beverages... all of these are not real foods

and

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they contain very little if any nutrition and they contain loads of
added sugars and other chemicals. And all of the these refined

foods

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tend to be higher in carbs, especially refined carbs.

Low carb is the by far the healthiest alternative. Anyone who says
otherwise either has an agenda or simply does not understand what

low

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carb really means, or chooses not to understand.

Low carb is about eating real foods and getting real nutrition and
cutting out the fake/manufactured nutritionally-bereft refined

[censored].

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TC

To get an answer form a source that has no answers usually.

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And your point would be.......?

TC

Piezo Guru said:

If we all committed suicide we wouldn't have to worry about disease

at all.

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Would we?

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robin wrote:
> I think that I read why somewhere, but now Ive forgotten, and I

cant

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> find a very good explanation anywhere. What I wish to know is

what

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> difference does it make to a fit active person not wanting to

lose

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Quoted message said:

> weight, not overweight if he eats fat rather than carbohydrate?

Refined carbs cause all manner of problems. Starting with the fact

that

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Quoted message said:

refined carbs are oxidants and cause inflammation, both actions

being

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

extremely harmful to us on a cellular level.

Refined carbs are the basic cause of most of todays rampant

diseases

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

like obesity, diabetes, heart disease, coeliac disease,

osteporosis,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

adhd, anxiety, depression, dental caries, nutritional deficiencies,
auto immune disorders, etc. etc.

On a high carb diet with an active lifestyle you may not be obese,

but

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the refined carbs are doing their damage, slowly but surely. You

may

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

appear fit but your system is being assaulted constantly on a

cellular

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

level.

During the Korean war, medical people doing autopsies on dead

American

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

soldiers found all kinds of signs of cardio vascular disease among
apparently healthy and physically active young American soldiers.

They

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

looked healthy but they were already starting to go downhill
internally. That gives you a good idea what happens to apparently
healthy active people who eat a diet high in refined carbs. And

note,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that the amount of refined carbs, ie. sugars, has increased
significantly in the last two decades.

The only way to good health is to eat real foods, fresh foods,

natural

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

foods, foods full of nutrition. And stay away from manufactured,
nutritionally-bereft [censored] and especially refined carbs. If you eat

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

lot of refined [censored], it doesn't matter how active or thin you are,

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

refined [censored] will eventually do you serious physical harm.

You have to maximize the amount of real nutrition you get in every

bite

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

of food. Good healthy fats and proteins from good healthy animals

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

good healthy foods. Good fresh produce right from the farmers field

or

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

from the fruit tree is chock full of good healthy nutrients. fresh
seafood is healthy. And all of these are naturally and relatively

low

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carb.

Pasta, cakes, soda, refined-flour white-bread, potato chips, candy,
donuts, RTE cereals, refined grains, pre-packaged meals, instant
packaged foods, powdered soups, powdered sweet drinks, pudding,

fruit

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

rollups, fruit juice beverages... all of these are not real foods

and

Quoted message said:

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they contain very little if any nutrition and they contain loads of
added sugars and other chemicals. And all of the these refined

foods

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

tend to be higher in carbs, especially refined carbs.

Low carb is the by far the healthiest alternative. Anyone who says
otherwise either has an agenda or simply does not understand what

low

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

carb really means, or chooses not to understand.

Low carb is about eating real foods and getting real nutrition and
cutting out the fake/manufactured nutritionally-bereft refined

[censored].

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TC

You are not adding anything useful to this discussion. Why are you
wasting bandwidth? Are you just trolling?

TC

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To get an answer form a source that has no answers usually.

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And your point would be.......?

TC

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If we all committed suicide we wouldn't have to worry about

disease

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at all.

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Would we?

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>
> robin wrote:
> > I think that I read why somewhere, but now Ive forgotten, and

I

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cant

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> > find a very good explanation anywhere. What I wish to know is

what

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> > difference does it make to a fit active person not wanting to

lose

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> > weight, not overweight if he eats fat rather than

carbohydrate?

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>
> Refined carbs cause all manner of problems. Starting with the

fact

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that

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> refined carbs are oxidants and cause inflammation, both actions

being

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> extremely harmful to us on a cellular level.
>
> Refined carbs are the basic cause of most of todays rampant

diseases

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> like obesity, diabetes, heart disease, coeliac disease,

osteporosis,

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> adhd, anxiety, depression, dental caries, nutritional

deficiencies,

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> auto immune disorders, etc. etc.
>
> On a high carb diet with an active lifestyle you may not be

obese,

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but

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> the refined carbs are doing their damage, slowly but surely.

You

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may

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> appear fit but your system is being assaulted constantly on a

cellular

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> level.
>
> During the Korean war, medical people doing autopsies on dead

American

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> soldiers found all kinds of signs of cardio vascular disease

among

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> apparently healthy and physically active young American

soldiers.

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They

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> looked healthy but they were already starting to go downhill
> internally. That gives you a good idea what happens to

apparently

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> healthy active people who eat a diet high in refined carbs. And

note,

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> that the amount of refined carbs, ie. sugars, has increased
> significantly in the last two decades.
>
> The only way to good health is to eat real foods, fresh foods,

natural

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> foods, foods full of nutrition. And stay away from

manufactured,

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Quoted message said:

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> nutritionally-bereft [censored] and especially refined carbs. If you

eat

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a

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> lot of refined [censored], it doesn't matter how active or thin you

are,

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the

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> refined [censored] will eventually do you serious physical harm.
>
> You have to maximize the amount of real nutrition you get in

every

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bite

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> of food. Good healthy fats and proteins from good healthy

animals

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are

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> good healthy foods. Good fresh produce right from the farmers

field

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or

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> from the fruit tree is chock full of good healthy nutrients.

fresh

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> seafood is healthy. And all of these are naturally and

relatively

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low

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> carb.
>
> Pasta, cakes, soda, refined-flour white-bread, potato chips,

candy,

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> donuts, RTE cereals, refined grains, pre-packaged meals,

instant

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> packaged foods, powdered soups, powdered sweet drinks, pudding,

fruit

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> rollups, fruit juice beverages... all of these are not real

foods

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and

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> they contain very little if any nutrition and they contain

loads of

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> added sugars and other chemicals. And all of the these refined

foods

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> tend to be higher in carbs, especially refined carbs.
>
> Low carb is the by far the healthiest alternative. Anyone who

says

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> otherwise either has an agenda or simply does not understand

what

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low

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> carb really means, or chooses not to understand.
>
> Low carb is about eating real foods and getting real nutrition

and

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> cutting out the fake/manufactured nutritionally-bereft refined

[censored].

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>
> TC
>

(robin) said:

I think that I read why somewhere, but now Ive forgotten, and I cant
find a very good explanation anywhere. What I wish to know is what
difference does it make to a fit active person not wanting to lose
weight, not overweight if he eats fat rather than carbohydrate?

Well if you are very active and do very intense work outs like me you
will your workouts will suffer like mine did when I experimented on
low carb just to see what all the fuss was about. Basically I just
got depressed and felt miserable.

Just eat healthy foods many of which contain carbs. Some come from
animal sources some don't. Stay away from the fundamentalist nut jobs
that either preach low-carb diets, vegan diets, all animal source
diets etc.

Thanks for your answer TC. I guess that I misunderstood the low carb
thing. From what you wrote, I gather that low carb is about not eating
junk food rather than following a diet that is low in carbohydrate.

But do you mean that eating carbohydrate produces free radicals and
causes inflammation? Is this a fact? Do the textbooks on nutrition
cover this?

Robin

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robin said:

I think that I read why somewhere, but now Ive forgotten, and I cant
find a very good explanation anywhere. What I wish to know is what
difference does it make to a fit active person not wanting to lose
weight, not overweight if he eats fat rather than carbohydrate?

Refined carbs cause all manner of problems. Starting with the fact that
refined carbs are oxidants and cause inflammation, both actions being
extremely harmful to us on a cellular level.

Refined carbs are the basic cause of most of todays rampant diseases
like obesity, diabetes, heart disease, coeliac disease, osteporosis,
adhd, anxiety, depression, dental caries, nutritional deficiencies,
auto immune disorders, etc. etc.

On a high carb diet with an active lifestyle you may not be obese, but
the refined carbs are doing their damage, slowly but surely. You may
appear fit but your system is being assaulted constantly on a cellular
level.

During the Korean war, medical people doing autopsies on dead American
soldiers found all kinds of signs of cardio vascular disease among
apparently healthy and physically active young American soldiers. They
looked healthy but they were already starting to go downhill
internally. That gives you a good idea what happens to apparently
healthy active people who eat a diet high in refined carbs. And note,
that the amount of refined carbs, ie. sugars, has increased
significantly in the last two decades.

The only way to good health is to eat real foods, fresh foods, natural
foods, foods full of nutrition. And stay away from manufactured,
nutritionally-bereft [censored] and especially refined carbs. If you eat a
lot of refined [censored], it doesn't matter how active or thin you are, the
refined [censored] will eventually do you serious physical harm.

You have to maximize the amount of real nutrition you get in every bite
of food. Good healthy fats and proteins from good healthy animals are
good healthy foods. Good fresh produce right from the farmers field or
from the fruit tree is chock full of good healthy nutrients. fresh
seafood is healthy. And all of these are naturally and relatively low
carb.

Pasta, cakes, soda, refined-flour white-bread, potato chips, candy,
donuts, RTE cereals, refined grains, pre-packaged meals, instant
packaged foods, powdered soups, powdered sweet drinks, pudding, fruit
rollups, fruit juice beverages... all of these are not real foods and
they contain very little if any nutrition and they contain loads of
added sugars and other chemicals. And all of the these refined foods
tend to be higher in carbs, especially refined carbs.

Low carb is the by far the healthiest alternative. Anyone who says
otherwise either has an agenda or simply does not understand what low
carb really means, or chooses not to understand.

Low carb is about eating real foods and getting real nutrition and
cutting out the fake/manufactured nutritionally-bereft refined [censored].

TC

Then answer the very simple question and stop defending some perceived
honour you think you have.

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You are not adding anything useful to this discussion. Why are you
wasting bandwidth? Are you just trolling?

TC

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To get an answer form a source that has no answers usually.

"TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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And your point would be.......?

TC

Piezo Guru wrote:
> If we all committed suicide we wouldn't have to worry about

disease

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at all.
> Would we?
>
> "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >
> > robin wrote:
> > > I think that I read why somewhere, but now Ive forgotten, and

I

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cant
> > > find a very good explanation anywhere. What I wish to know is
what
> > > difference does it make to a fit active person not wanting to
lose
> > > weight, not overweight if he eats fat rather than

carbohydrate?

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> >
> > Refined carbs cause all manner of problems. Starting with the

fact

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that
> > refined carbs are oxidants and cause inflammation, both actions
being
> > extremely harmful to us on a cellular level.
> >
> > Refined carbs are the basic cause of most of todays rampant
diseases
> > like obesity, diabetes, heart disease, coeliac disease,
osteporosis,
> > adhd, anxiety, depression, dental caries, nutritional

deficiencies,

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> > auto immune disorders, etc. etc.
> >
> > On a high carb diet with an active lifestyle you may not be

obese,

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but
> > the refined carbs are doing their damage, slowly but surely.

You

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may
> > appear fit but your system is being assaulted constantly on a
cellular
> > level.
> >
> > During the Korean war, medical people doing autopsies on dead
American
> > soldiers found all kinds of signs of cardio vascular disease

among

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> > apparently healthy and physically active young American

soldiers.

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They
> > looked healthy but they were already starting to go downhill
> > internally. That gives you a good idea what happens to

apparently

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> > healthy active people who eat a diet high in refined carbs. And
note,
> > that the amount of refined carbs, ie. sugars, has increased
> > significantly in the last two decades.
> >
> > The only way to good health is to eat real foods, fresh foods,
natural
> > foods, foods full of nutrition. And stay away from

manufactured,

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Quoted message said:

> > nutritionally-bereft [censored] and especially refined carbs. If you

eat

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a
> > lot of refined [censored], it doesn't matter how active or thin you

are,

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the
> > refined [censored] will eventually do you serious physical harm.
> >
> > You have to maximize the amount of real nutrition you get in

every

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bite
> > of food. Good healthy fats and proteins from good healthy

animals

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are
> > good healthy foods. Good fresh produce right from the farmers

field

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or
> > from the fruit tree is chock full of good healthy nutrients.

fresh

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> > seafood is healthy. And all of these are naturally and

relatively

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low
> > carb.
> >
> > Pasta, cakes, soda, refined-flour white-bread, potato chips,

candy,

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> > donuts, RTE cereals, refined grains, pre-packaged meals,

instant

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> > packaged foods, powdered soups, powdered sweet drinks, pudding,
fruit
> > rollups, fruit juice beverages... all of these are not real

foods

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and
> > they contain very little if any nutrition and they contain

loads of

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> > added sugars and other chemicals. And all of the these refined
foods
> > tend to be higher in carbs, especially refined carbs.
> >
> > Low carb is the by far the healthiest alternative. Anyone who

says

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> > otherwise either has an agenda or simply does not understand

what

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low
> > carb really means, or chooses not to understand.
> >
> > Low carb is about eating real foods and getting real nutrition

and

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> > cutting out the fake/manufactured nutritionally-bereft refined
[censored].
> >
> > TC
> >

Thanks for pointing me to the paper. It contains so much of what I was
looking for.

turtle said:

(robin) said:

I think that I read why somewhere, but now Ive forgotten, and I cant
find a very good explanation anywhere. What I wish to know is what
difference does it make to a fit active person not wanting to lose
weight, not overweight if he eats fat rather than carbohydrate?

There's a good paper that Ron Rosedale wrote called "Insulin and Its
Metabolic Effects". Try doing a search for that title, and you

should

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be able to find it. I found it very helpful.

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I think that I read why somewhere, but now Ive forgotten, and I cant
find a very good explanation anywhere. What I wish to know is what
difference does it make to a fit active person not wanting to lose
weight, not overweight if he eats fat rather than carbohydrate?

To over generalize - just because you're active and not battling weight
does not mean you can eat anything and get away with it. An active
person needs some fat and lots of good carbs and of course proteins. The
percent of each gets debated ad nausium especailly with all the fad
diets. Once the fad geeks start with the low this or the high that, the
hairs on your neck should stand up. Eat balanced and avoid the cheap
sugar [censored] or if you have self control, splurge only on special
occasions.
-DF

What question? You haven't asked a question. You've just made
disconnected nonsensical comments about who-knows-what.

Get lost, ya frikkin' troll.

TC

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Then answer the very simple question and stop defending some

perceived

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honour you think you have.

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You are not adding anything useful to this discussion. Why are you
wasting bandwidth? Are you just trolling?

TC

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To get an answer form a source that has no answers usually.

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>
> And your point would be.......?
>
> TC
>
> Piezo Guru wrote:
> > If we all committed suicide we wouldn't have to worry about

disease

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> at all.
> > Would we?
> >
> > "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:[email hidden]...
> > >
> > > robin wrote:
> > > > I think that I read why somewhere, but now Ive forgotten,

and

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I

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> cant
> > > > find a very good explanation anywhere. What I wish to

know is

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> what
> > > > difference does it make to a fit active person not

wanting to

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> lose
> > > > weight, not overweight if he eats fat rather than

carbohydrate?

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> > >
> > > Refined carbs cause all manner of problems. Starting with

the

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fact

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> that
> > > refined carbs are oxidants and cause inflammation, both

actions

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> being
> > > extremely harmful to us on a cellular level.
> > >
> > > Refined carbs are the basic cause of most of todays rampant
> diseases
> > > like obesity, diabetes, heart disease, coeliac disease,
> osteporosis,
> > > adhd, anxiety, depression, dental caries, nutritional

deficiencies,

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> > > auto immune disorders, etc. etc.
> > >
> > > On a high carb diet with an active lifestyle you may not be

obese,

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> but
> > > the refined carbs are doing their damage, slowly but

surely.

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You

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> may
> > > appear fit but your system is being assaulted constantly on

a

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> cellular
> > > level.
> > >
> > > During the Korean war, medical people doing autopsies on

dead

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> American
> > > soldiers found all kinds of signs of cardio vascular

disease

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among

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> > > apparently healthy and physically active young American

soldiers.

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> They
> > > looked healthy but they were already starting to go

downhill

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> > > internally. That gives you a good idea what happens to

apparently

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> > > healthy active people who eat a diet high in refined carbs.

And

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> note,
> > > that the amount of refined carbs, ie. sugars, has increased
> > > significantly in the last two decades.
> > >
> > > The only way to good health is to eat real foods, fresh

foods,

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> natural
> > > foods, foods full of nutrition. And stay away from

manufactured,

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> > > nutritionally-bereft [censored] and especially refined carbs. If

you

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eat

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> a
> > > lot of refined [censored], it doesn't matter how active or thin

you

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are,

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> the
> > > refined [censored] will eventually do you serious physical harm.
> > >
> > > You have to maximize the amount of real nutrition you get

in

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every

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> bite
> > > of food. Good healthy fats and proteins from good healthy

animals

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> are
> > > good healthy foods. Good fresh produce right from the

farmers

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field

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> or
> > > from the fruit tree is chock full of good healthy

nutrients.

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fresh

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> > > seafood is healthy. And all of these are naturally and

relatively

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> low
> > > carb.
> > >
> > > Pasta, cakes, soda, refined-flour white-bread, potato

chips,

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candy,

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> > > donuts, RTE cereals, refined grains, pre-packaged meals,

instant

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> > > packaged foods, powdered soups, powdered sweet drinks,

pudding,

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> fruit
> > > rollups, fruit juice beverages... all of these are not real

foods

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> and
> > > they contain very little if any nutrition and they contain

loads of

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> > > added sugars and other chemicals. And all of the these

refined

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> foods
> > > tend to be higher in carbs, especially refined carbs.
> > >
> > > Low carb is the by far the healthiest alternative. Anyone

who

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says

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> > > otherwise either has an agenda or simply does not

understand

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what

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> low
> > > carb really means, or chooses not to understand.
> > >
> > > Low carb is about eating real foods and getting real

nutrition

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and

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> > > cutting out the fake/manufactured nutritionally-bereft

refined

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> [censored].
> > >
> > > TC
> > >
>

"If we all committed suicide we wouldn't have to worry about disease at all.
Would we?"

Learn to read ya' frikkin' cry baby.

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What question? You haven't asked a question. You've just made
disconnected nonsensical comments about who-knows-what.

Get lost, ya frikkin' troll.

TC

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Then answer the very simple question and stop defending some

perceived

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honour you think you have.

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You are not adding anything useful to this discussion. Why are you
wasting bandwidth? Are you just trolling?

TC

Piezo Guru wrote:
> To get an answer form a source that has no answers usually.
>
> "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> >
> > And your point would be.......?
> >
> > TC
> >
> > Piezo Guru wrote:
> > > If we all committed suicide we wouldn't have to worry about
disease
> > at all.
> > > Would we?
> > >
> > > "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email hidden]...
> > > >
> > > > robin wrote:
> > > > > I think that I read why somewhere, but now Ive forgotten,

and

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I
> > cant
> > > > > find a very good explanation anywhere. What I wish to

know is

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Quoted message said:

> > what
> > > > > difference does it make to a fit active person not

wanting to

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Quoted message said:

> > lose
> > > > > weight, not overweight if he eats fat rather than
carbohydrate?
> > > >
> > > > Refined carbs cause all manner of problems. Starting with

the

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fact
> > that
> > > > refined carbs are oxidants and cause inflammation, both

actions

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> > being
> > > > extremely harmful to us on a cellular level.
> > > >
> > > > Refined carbs are the basic cause of most of todays rampant
> > diseases
> > > > like obesity, diabetes, heart disease, coeliac disease,
> > osteporosis,
> > > > adhd, anxiety, depression, dental caries, nutritional
deficiencies,
> > > > auto immune disorders, etc. etc.
> > > >
> > > > On a high carb diet with an active lifestyle you may not be
obese,
> > but
> > > > the refined carbs are doing their damage, slowly but

surely.

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You
> > may
> > > > appear fit but your system is being assaulted constantly on

a

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> > cellular
> > > > level.
> > > >
> > > > During the Korean war, medical people doing autopsies on

dead

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> > American
> > > > soldiers found all kinds of signs of cardio vascular

disease

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among
> > > > apparently healthy and physically active young American
soldiers.
> > They
> > > > looked healthy but they were already starting to go

downhill

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> > > > internally. That gives you a good idea what happens to
apparently
> > > > healthy active people who eat a diet high in refined carbs.

And

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> > note,
> > > > that the amount of refined carbs, ie. sugars, has increased
> > > > significantly in the last two decades.
> > > >
> > > > The only way to good health is to eat real foods, fresh

foods,

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> > natural
> > > > foods, foods full of nutrition. And stay away from
manufactured,
> > > > nutritionally-bereft [censored] and especially refined carbs. If

you

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eat
> > a
> > > > lot of refined [censored], it doesn't matter how active or thin

you

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

are,
> > the
> > > > refined [censored] will eventually do you serious physical harm.
> > > >
> > > > You have to maximize the amount of real nutrition you get

in

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

every
> > bite
> > > > of food. Good healthy fats and proteins from good healthy
animals
> > are
> > > > good healthy foods. Good fresh produce right from the

farmers

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Quoted message said:

field
> > or
> > > > from the fruit tree is chock full of good healthy

nutrients.

Quoted message said:

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fresh
> > > > seafood is healthy. And all of these are naturally and
relatively
> > low
> > > > carb.
> > > >
> > > > Pasta, cakes, soda, refined-flour white-bread, potato

chips,

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candy,
> > > > donuts, RTE cereals, refined grains, pre-packaged meals,
instant
> > > > packaged foods, powdered soups, powdered sweet drinks,

pudding,

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> > fruit
> > > > rollups, fruit juice beverages... all of these are not real
foods
> > and
> > > > they contain very little if any nutrition and they contain
loads of
> > > > added sugars and other chemicals. And all of the these

refined

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> > foods
> > > > tend to be higher in carbs, especially refined carbs.
> > > >
> > > > Low carb is the by far the healthiest alternative. Anyone

who

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says
> > > > otherwise either has an agenda or simply does not

understand

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what
> > low
> > > > carb really means, or chooses not to understand.
> > > >
> > > > Low carb is about eating real foods and getting real

nutrition

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and
> > > > cutting out the fake/manufactured nutritionally-bereft

refined

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> > [censored].
> > > >
> > > > TC
> > > >
> >

You call that a simple question, I call it nonsensical rambling.

Learn to put together a cogent concept in the form of a sentence, ya
illiterate turd.

TC

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"If we all committed suicide we wouldn't have to worry about disease

at all.

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Would we?"

Learn to read ya' frikkin' cry baby.

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What question? You haven't asked a question. You've just made
disconnected nonsensical comments about who-knows-what.

Get lost, ya frikkin' troll.

TC

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Then answer the very simple question and stop defending some

perceived

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honour you think you have.

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>
> You are not adding anything useful to this discussion. Why are

you

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> wasting bandwidth? Are you just trolling?
>
> TC
>
> Piezo Guru wrote:
> > To get an answer form a source that has no answers usually.
> >
> > "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:[email hidden]...
> > >
> > > And your point would be.......?
> > >
> > > TC
> > >
> > > Piezo Guru wrote:
> > > > If we all committed suicide we wouldn't have to worry

about

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Quoted message said:

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> disease
> > > at all.
> > > > Would we?
> > > >
> > > > "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > >

news:[email hidden]...

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> > > > >
> > > > > robin wrote:
> > > > > > I think that I read why somewhere, but now Ive

forgotten,

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and

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> I
> > > cant
> > > > > > find a very good explanation anywhere. What I wish to

know is

Quoted message said:

> > > what
> > > > > > difference does it make to a fit active person not

wanting to

Quoted message said:

> > > lose
> > > > > > weight, not overweight if he eats fat rather than
> carbohydrate?
> > > > >
> > > > > Refined carbs cause all manner of problems. Starting

with

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Quoted message said:

the

Quoted message said:

> fact
> > > that
> > > > > refined carbs are oxidants and cause inflammation, both

actions

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> > > being
> > > > > extremely harmful to us on a cellular level.
> > > > >
> > > > > Refined carbs are the basic cause of most of todays

rampant

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > diseases
> > > > > like obesity, diabetes, heart disease, coeliac disease,
> > > osteporosis,
> > > > > adhd, anxiety, depression, dental caries, nutritional
> deficiencies,
> > > > > auto immune disorders, etc. etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > On a high carb diet with an active lifestyle you may

not be

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Quoted message said:

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> obese,
> > > but
> > > > > the refined carbs are doing their damage, slowly but

surely.

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> You
> > > may
> > > > > appear fit but your system is being assaulted

constantly on

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Quoted message said:

a

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> > > cellular
> > > > > level.
> > > > >
> > > > > During the Korean war, medical people doing autopsies

on

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Quoted message said:

dead

Quoted message said:

> > > American
> > > > > soldiers found all kinds of signs of cardio vascular

disease

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> among
> > > > > apparently healthy and physically active young American
> soldiers.
> > > They
> > > > > looked healthy but they were already starting to go

downhill

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> > > > > internally. That gives you a good idea what happens to
> apparently
> > > > > healthy active people who eat a diet high in refined

carbs.

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Quoted message said:

And

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> > > note,
> > > > > that the amount of refined carbs, ie. sugars, has

increased

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Quoted message said:

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> > > > > significantly in the last two decades.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only way to good health is to eat real foods, fresh

foods,

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> > > natural
> > > > > foods, foods full of nutrition. And stay away from
> manufactured,
> > > > > nutritionally-bereft [censored] and especially refined carbs.

If

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Quoted message said:

you

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> eat
> > > a
> > > > > lot of refined [censored], it doesn't matter how active or

thin

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Quoted message said:

you

Quoted message said:

> are,
> > > the
> > > > > refined [censored] will eventually do you serious physical

harm.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > > >
> > > > > You have to maximize the amount of real nutrition you

get

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in

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> every
> > > bite
> > > > > of food. Good healthy fats and proteins from good

healthy

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> animals
> > > are
> > > > > good healthy foods. Good fresh produce right from the

farmers

Quoted message said:

> field
> > > or
> > > > > from the fruit tree is chock full of good healthy

nutrients.

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> fresh
> > > > > seafood is healthy. And all of these are naturally and
> relatively
> > > low
> > > > > carb.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pasta, cakes, soda, refined-flour white-bread, potato

chips,

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> candy,
> > > > > donuts, RTE cereals, refined grains, pre-packaged

meals,

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> instant
> > > > > packaged foods, powdered soups, powdered sweet drinks,

pudding,

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> > > fruit
> > > > > rollups, fruit juice beverages... all of these are not

real

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> foods
> > > and
> > > > > they contain very little if any nutrition and they

contain

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Quoted message said:

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> loads of
> > > > > added sugars and other chemicals. And all of the these

refined

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> > > foods
> > > > > tend to be higher in carbs, especially refined carbs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Low carb is the by far the healthiest alternative.

Anyone

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who

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> says
> > > > > otherwise either has an agenda or simply does not

understand

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> what
> > > low
> > > > > carb really means, or chooses not to understand.
> > > > >
> > > > > Low carb is about eating real foods and getting real

nutrition

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> and
> > > > > cutting out the fake/manufactured nutritionally-bereft

refined

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> > > [censored].
> > > > >
> > > > > TC
> > > > >
> > >
>

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person needs some fat and lots of good carbs and of course proteins. The
percent of each gets debated ad nausium especailly with all the fad diets.
Once the fad geeks start with the low this or the high that, the hairs on
your neck should stand up. Eat balanced and avoid the cheap sugar [censored] or
if you have self control, splurge only on special occasions.

well put.

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Thanks for your answer TC. I guess that I misunderstood the low carb
thing. From what you wrote, I gather that low carb is about not eating
junk food rather than following a diet that is low in carbohydrate.

which (not eating junk food) is what about every nutritionist on the planet
will very probably agree on- low carb or not.

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But do you mean that eating carbohydrate produces free radicals and
causes inflammation? Is this a fact? Do the textbooks on nutrition
cover this?

i don't know any one textbook on nutrition or biochemistry that does say
dietary carbohydrates produce free radicals.

MMu said:

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person needs some fat and lots of good carbs and of course proteins.

Quoted message said:

well put.

But not true. There is no demonstrated need in the human diet for
carbs. We can convert other macronutrients to use as fuels for our
biochemical processes. We like carbs, obviously, but they aren't
necessary as the other two - fat and protein - are.

Pastorio

I guess it was too hard for you to remember commenting on it.

Probably too hard for you to understand anyway.

Go back to your cut and paste. You can't read the words anyway.

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You call that a simple question, I call it nonsensical rambling.

Learn to put together a cogent concept in the form of a sentence, ya
illiterate turd.

TC

Piezo Guru said:

"If we all committed suicide we wouldn't have to worry about disease

at all.

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Would we?"

Learn to read ya' frikkin' cry baby.

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What question? You haven't asked a question. You've just made
disconnected nonsensical comments about who-knows-what.

Get lost, ya frikkin' troll.

TC

Piezo Guru wrote:
> Then answer the very simple question and stop defending some
perceived
> honour you think you have.
>
> "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> >
> > You are not adding anything useful to this discussion. Why are

you

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> > wasting bandwidth? Are you just trolling?
> >
> > TC
> >
> > Piezo Guru wrote:
> > > To get an answer form a source that has no answers usually.
> > >
> > > "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email hidden]...
> > > >
> > > > And your point would be.......?
> > > >
> > > > TC
> > > >
> > > > Piezo Guru wrote:
> > > > > If we all committed suicide we wouldn't have to worry

about

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > disease
> > > > at all.
> > > > > Would we?
> > > > >
> > > > > "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > > >

news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > > > >
> > > > > > robin wrote:
> > > > > > > I think that I read why somewhere, but now Ive

forgotten,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and
> > I
> > > > cant
> > > > > > > find a very good explanation anywhere. What I wish to
know is
> > > > what
> > > > > > > difference does it make to a fit active person not
wanting to
> > > > lose
> > > > > > > weight, not overweight if he eats fat rather than
> > carbohydrate?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Refined carbs cause all manner of problems. Starting

with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the
> > fact
> > > > that
> > > > > > refined carbs are oxidants and cause inflammation, both
actions
> > > > being
> > > > > > extremely harmful to us on a cellular level.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Refined carbs are the basic cause of most of todays

rampant

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > > diseases
> > > > > > like obesity, diabetes, heart disease, coeliac disease,
> > > > osteporosis,
> > > > > > adhd, anxiety, depression, dental caries, nutritional
> > deficiencies,
> > > > > > auto immune disorders, etc. etc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On a high carb diet with an active lifestyle you may

not be

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > obese,
> > > > but
> > > > > > the refined carbs are doing their damage, slowly but
surely.
> > You
> > > > may
> > > > > > appear fit but your system is being assaulted

constantly on

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

a
> > > > cellular
> > > > > > level.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > During the Korean war, medical people doing autopsies

on

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dead
> > > > American
> > > > > > soldiers found all kinds of signs of cardio vascular
disease
> > among
> > > > > > apparently healthy and physically active young American
> > soldiers.
> > > > They
> > > > > > looked healthy but they were already starting to go
downhill
> > > > > > internally. That gives you a good idea what happens to
> > apparently
> > > > > > healthy active people who eat a diet high in refined

carbs.

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And
> > > > note,
> > > > > > that the amount of refined carbs, ie. sugars, has

increased

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> > > > > > significantly in the last two decades.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The only way to good health is to eat real foods, fresh
foods,
> > > > natural
> > > > > > foods, foods full of nutrition. And stay away from
> > manufactured,
> > > > > > nutritionally-bereft [censored] and especially refined carbs.

If

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you
> > eat
> > > > a
> > > > > > lot of refined [censored], it doesn't matter how active or

thin

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you
> > are,
> > > > the
> > > > > > refined [censored] will eventually do you serious physical

harm.

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> > > > > >
> > > > > > You have to maximize the amount of real nutrition you

get

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in
> > every
> > > > bite
> > > > > > of food. Good healthy fats and proteins from good

healthy

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> > animals
> > > > are
> > > > > > good healthy foods. Good fresh produce right from the
farmers
> > field
> > > > or
> > > > > > from the fruit tree is chock full of good healthy
nutrients.
> > fresh
> > > > > > seafood is healthy. And all of these are naturally and
> > relatively
> > > > low
> > > > > > carb.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pasta, cakes, soda, refined-flour white-bread, potato
chips,
> > candy,
> > > > > > donuts, RTE cereals, refined grains, pre-packaged

meals,

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> > instant
> > > > > > packaged foods, powdered soups, powdered sweet drinks,
pudding,
> > > > fruit
> > > > > > rollups, fruit juice beverages... all of these are not

real

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> > foods
> > > > and
> > > > > > they contain very little if any nutrition and they

contain

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> > loads of
> > > > > > added sugars and other chemicals. And all of the these
refined
> > > > foods
> > > > > > tend to be higher in carbs, especially refined carbs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Low carb is the by far the healthiest alternative.

Anyone

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who
> > says
> > > > > > otherwise either has an agenda or simply does not
understand
> > what
> > > > low
> > > > > > carb really means, or chooses not to understand.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Low carb is about eating real foods and getting real
nutrition
> > and
> > > > > > cutting out the fake/manufactured nutritionally-bereft
refined
> > > > [censored].
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TC
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:10:02 -0500, "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]>

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MMu said:

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person needs some fat and lots of good carbs and of course proteins.

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well put.

But not true. There is no demonstrated need in the human diet for
carbs. We can convert other macronutrients to use as fuels for our
biochemical processes. We like carbs, obviously, but they aren't
necessary as the other two - fat and protein - are.

Pastorio

What does necessary have to do with it. A healthy diet is not
necessary either if mere survival is all that is required. For many
all that is necessary is McDonalds, frozen entrees, and Frosted
Flakes.

Please go to alt.support.diet.low-carb with the other no carb idiots
and stay out of the science newsgroups.

"Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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MMu said:

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person needs some fat and lots of good carbs and of course proteins.

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well put.

But not true. There is no demonstrated need in the human diet for
carbs. We can convert other macronutrients to use as fuels for our
biochemical processes. We like carbs, obviously, but they aren't
necessary as the other two - fat and protein - are.

Pastorio

Yes, why does a person need carbohydrate?