Re: 'Surprising' findings reported about iron overload

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On 28 Apr 2005 20:50:07 -0700, "[email hidden]"
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Public release date: 27-Apr-2005

Contact: Hank Black
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University of Alabama at Birmingham

'Surprising' findings reported about iron overload
Asians, Pacific Islanders have highest blood iron levels

so all we need do to get rid of chung is throw some magnets in his
pocket and stand him next to a chain link fence?

"or that they do not, for some reason, develop
hemochromatosis/iron overload despite their high blood levels of iron."

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Um, your message was crossposted.

I'm just saying, is all...

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You just cross posted Andrew go killfile yourself.

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Thanks, ironjustice/Tom, for disproving your own point. It's not just
high iron, because if it were, these Asian people would be dropping
dead like flies of "chronic diseases," but instead the opposite is
true. They eat lots of coconut product, so according to our "experts,"
the combination of "saturated fat" and high iron should be absolutely
horrible, yet the opposite is the case (just review the WHO statistics
for yourself). It is the combination of high iron and high unsaturated
fatty acids that is a terrible combination, though a high antioxidant
diet would obviously help to some degree.

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From 1987 to 1995, the number of Hepatitis B cases among Asian American

and Pacific Islander children decreased from 10,817 to 4,207 cases.
However, this number is still two to three times higher than for all
children in the United States.

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Seeing that Hepatitis is being halted in its tracks by .. iron ..
reduction .. then the statistic above would rule IN .. excess .. iron .

Of course elevated iron levels are NOT .. involved ..

Eh ..

How about .. diabetes ..?

Highest rate of type 2 .. again .. ONLY .. a coincidence .. type 2 is
causes by .. iron ..

Eh ..

http://www.msdiabetes.org/asian_pacific_islander_american.php

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And since they DO have very high rates of diseases ASSOCIATED with iron
overload .. diabetes / hepatitis .. then that would mean .. the
researchers .. simply .. missed the iron ..

The iron .. BELOW .. what the researchers believe CONSTITUTE .. iron
overload .. ACTUALLY .. is .. causing .. problems .. and therefore ..
technically .. DO .. have .. iron overload ..

Minor .. elevated iron levels .. ENOUGH .. to give them high rates of
diabetes type 2 and / or hepatitis ..

Simple ..

Just like the rate of diabetes in Asians ..

Not related to iron levels six months ago .. but surprisingly .. today
... it .. seems ..

Heh .. heh ..

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In many of the studies you cite, the investigators address lipid
peroxidation/PUFA consumption. Iron is a nasty co-factor, and this
study really drives the point home. In type II diabetes, arachidonic
acid causes terrible glycation problems, which may be the most
important factor in terms of the symptoms. I posted the key Xu, et al.
study here a long time ago. I'm curious, do you think you can eat all
the PUFAs you want and everything will be fine? The evidence is
against this, as you should know.

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From 1987 to 1995, the number of Hepatitis B cases among Asian

American

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and Pacific Islander children decreased from 10,817 to 4,207 cases.
However, this number is still two to three times higher than for all
children in the United States.

<<snip>>

Seeing that Hepatitis is being halted in its tracks by .. iron ..
reduction .. then the statistic above would rule IN .. excess .. iron

..

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Of course elevated iron levels are NOT .. involved ..

Eh ..

How about .. diabetes ..?

Highest rate of type 2 .. again .. ONLY .. a coincidence .. type 2 is
causes by .. iron ..

Eh ..

http://www.msdiabetes.org/asian_pacific_islander_american.php

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Tom
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

On 30 Apr 2005 19:28:12 -0700, "montygram" <[email hidden]>

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study really drives the point home. In type II diabetes, arachidonic
acid causes terrible glycation problems, which may be the most

That must be new research.
First time I heart arachidonic acid being a carbohydrate :-)

Glycations happens between carbohydrates and amino acid side chains.

The nearest thing maybe is the adducts formed by isoketals. But then
it is an aldehyde reaction, not glycation strictly said.