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  1. I picked up a copy of ``Bicycle Medicine'' last week as it seemed to be the best fit for my needs; namely high milage commuter who's not adverse to going fast.

    Not that far through it however the first section's all about nutrition. In that section the author states that training for two plus hours a day are always fighting glycogen depletion and should consume liquid calories, i.e. a sports drink of some description.

    My commute's about 60-75 minutes each way depending on wind, fatigue level. That puts me tin the 120 minute to 150 minute ballpark a day for cycling, however it's split between the morning ride and the evening ride.

    Do I need liquid calories if I'm effectively doing two 60-75 minute rides? I know I'm not eating enough carbs at the moment, I'm fixing that but do I really need to faff around with home made sports drinks?

    I'll probably give it a go just to see if I can detect any difference, just fishing for opinions from others who've been down this road.
    --
    Cheers
    Euan

  2. On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:06:22 +1000, Tamyka Bell <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Carl Brewer said:


    EuanB said:


    I picked up a copy of ``Bicycle Medicine'' last week as it seemed to be
    the best fit for my needs; namely high milage commuter who's not
    adverse to going fast.

    It's not a bad book. My copy's well worn 🙂
    "food for fitness" is another good one. Amazon's the
    only place to get it AFAIK, alas, unless you want to borrow my copy.

    <snip>

    Who is that written/ed/published by? I'm sure I've seen it before.

    Bicycle Medicine, Arnie Baker
    Food for fitness, Chris Carmichael

    See :
    http://www.aboc.com.au/perl/open.pl?p=recommended_reading

    Got lots to read 🙂

  3. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> "Carl" == Carl Brewer <[email hidden]> writes:

    Carl> See :
    Carl> http://www.aboc.com.au/perl/open.pl?p=recommended_reading

    Mmm, been meaning to get that Zinn book. It's rare I put my bike in to
    the shop, would like to become totally self sufficient (well as clos as
    one can get).
    --
    Cheers
    Euan

  4. eb said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>> "Carl" == Carl Brewer <[email hidden]> writes:



    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Carl> It's not a bad book. My copy's well worn 🙂 "food for
    Carl> fitness" is another good one. Amazon's the only place to get
    Carl> it AFAIK, alas, unless you want to borrow my copy.

    Most of my cooking comes out of the AIS books, Survival of the Fittest
    and Survival from the fittest. Cheap, easy, tasty and lots of carbs :-)

    <snip>

    That's really good of you chef-types. My cooking comes from looking at
    what veges are in the fridge, what meat is in the freezer, and whether
    I've got pasta or rice in the pantry.

    I suffered GI upset after my first race on the weekend, which I've never
    had before, and I put it down to not enough solid food in between. It
    was pretty unpleasant. The crazy thing is, when I asked the others what
    bread-spread was the best for pre and post run, they all picked peanut
    butter. Despite the high fat and protein that's supposed to make for
    digestive ouchies, it was really popular. And the one time I didn't use
    it, I suffered. Anyone else find that weird?

    Quoted message said:

    Carl> Given how much you're riding, you'll be pretty fit, why not go
    Carl> for a dabble in some racing? It's a lot of fun, and adds a
    Carl> while nother dimension to the relationship you have with your
    Carl> bicycle 🙂

    Fear of divorce? Might be unfounded however SHMBO did tell me about a
    fellow gym goer who's leaving her husband 'cause he rides 700 km a
    week. A bit of idle gossip or a subtle hint? ;-)


    <snip>

    Why did she want a divorce? She would've been better off asking for a
    bicycle! Then they could ride off into the sunset together...

    Tam

  5. On Tue, 24 May 2005 11:38:33 +1000, Tamyka Bell <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    eb said:


    Quoted message said:

    >>>> "Carl" == Carl Brewer <[email hidden]> writes:



    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Carl> It's not a bad book. My copy's well worn 🙂 "food for
    Carl> fitness" is another good one. Amazon's the only place to get
    Carl> it AFAIK, alas, unless you want to borrow my copy.

    Most of my cooking comes out of the AIS books, Survival of the Fittest
    and Survival from the fittest. Cheap, easy, tasty and lots of carbs :-)

    <snip>

    That's really good of you chef-types. My cooking comes from looking at
    what veges are in the fridge, what meat is in the freezer, and whether
    I've got pasta or rice in the pantry.

    likewise, but it's good to have a few extra ideas every now and then.

    Quoted message said:

    I suffered GI upset after my first race on the weekend, which I've never
    had before, and I put it down to not enough solid food in between. It
    was pretty unpleasant. The crazy thing is, when I asked the others what
    bread-spread was the best for pre and post run, they all picked peanut
    butter. Despite the high fat and protein that's supposed to make for
    digestive ouchies, it was really popular. And the one time I didn't use
    it, I suffered. Anyone else find that weird?

    Not at all, you're used to what you're used to.
    Never muck with things on raceday.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Carl> Given how much you're riding, you'll be pretty fit, why not go
    Carl> for a dabble in some racing? It's a lot of fun, and adds a
    Carl> while nother dimension to the relationship you have with your
    Carl> bicycle 🙂

    Fear of divorce? Might be unfounded however SHMBO did tell me about a
    fellow gym goer who's leaving her husband 'cause he rides 700 km a
    week. A bit of idle gossip or a subtle hint? ;-)


    <snip>

    Why did she want a divorce? She would've been better off asking for a
    bicycle! Then they could ride off into the sunset together...

    gross generalisation : partners don't *get* riding. They think it's a
    nice tootle to the park and back, not a 6 hour marathon or a 60 minute
    flog-fest with the aim of inflicting as much pain on eachother as
    humanly possible. Sorry, I'm a roady 🙂 It's how we think. Even
    recovery rides are frustrating for both people 🙁

    Tandems may be romantic in movies, but riding with one's partner
    sucketh!

  6. Carl Brewer said:


    On Tue, 24 May 2005 11:38:33 +1000, Tamyka Bell wrote:


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I suffered GI upset after my first race on the weekend, which I've never
    had before, and I put it down to not enough solid food in between. It
    was pretty unpleasant. The crazy thing is, when I asked the others what
    bread-spread was the best for pre and post run, they all picked peanut
    butter. Despite the high fat and protein that's supposed to make for
    digestive ouchies, it was really popular. And the one time I didn't use
    it, I suffered. Anyone else find that weird?

    Not at all, you're used to what you're used to.
    Never muck with things on raceday.

    Oooh, yeah, it sounded like that. I meant did anyone find it weird that
    so many people thought peanut butter was a good pre-race food?!

    It was funny, the one thing I was totally unprepared for on race day was
    what to do in between races, nutritionally, when the first one was such
    a killer. And after suffering massive pain on day one, I went overboard
    with eating solid food on day two, without checking the start time of
    the second race, which was an hour earlier than I thought... oops.
    That's okay, I kept it down.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Carl> Given how much you're riding, you'll be pretty fit, why not go
    Carl> for a dabble in some racing? It's a lot of fun, and adds a
    Carl> while nother dimension to the relationship you have with your
    Carl> bicycle 🙂

    Fear of divorce? Might be unfounded however SHMBO did tell me about a
    fellow gym goer who's leaving her husband 'cause he rides 700 km a
    week. A bit of idle gossip or a subtle hint? ;-)


    <snip>

    Why did she want a divorce? She would've been better off asking for a
    bicycle! Then they could ride off into the sunset together...

    gross generalisation : partners don't *get* riding. They think it's a

    Oh yeah, that riding off into the sunset was me fantasising about cycle
    touring. Oops.

    Quoted message said:

    nice tootle to the park and back, not a 6 hour marathon or a 60 minute
    flog-fest with the aim of inflicting as much pain on eachother as
    humanly possible. Sorry, I'm a roady 🙂 It's how we think. Even
    recovery rides are frustrating for both people 🙁

    That sounds like me riding with my ex, who was a super-fit runner who
    would flog me on runs (once I collapsed, I was working so hard, and I
    tried to tell him I wanted to stop but couldn't get enough air to do
    so). So I'd be all "Hey sweetie, come for a river ride with me" and
    about five minutes later I'd lose my temper: "Crikey, you could've
    pointed out that big f'off hole you rode us through, how about you just
    sit in back for a while" or "Use your f'ing small chain ring, d'head",
    or on rides with my squad I'd get told off by my mates because he
    wouldn't ride in proper knicks and would wear footy shorts over the top
    because knicks were a "bad look" but "sorry sweetie, look at yourself,
    THAT's a bad look, wtf are you wearing a cotton tshirt for when you're
    TRAINING", and then "hey, eat something for f's sake, I don't want to
    drag you home."

    Quoted message said:

    Tandems may be romantic in movies, but riding with one's partner
    sucketh!

    Save it for horseback rescues?

    Tam

  7. "five minutes later I'd lose my temper: "Crikey, you could've
    pointed out that big f'off hole you rode us through, how about you just

    sit in back for a while" or "Use your f'ing small chain ring, d'head",
    ........
    and then "hey, eat something for f's sake, I don't want to
    drag you home."

    <snip>

    *gulp* sounds a bit like me on the Blart rides... While Tam, JH and the
    others didn't say it - I'm sure they thunk it a few times....

    I did manage to get a "Whoa", followed by a particularly steely look
    from LotteBum on the GBBR, when I swerved across her front wheel - but
    I'm still using the "dodging all the young bmx kiddies" as an excuse!!

    I'm trying to convince my wife to train up for the BQ BrisVegas to Gold
    Coast ride in October (just got an email about it from BQ). 100km -
    sounds like fun!! I'm definitely in for it - but if its not for
    'roadies only', then I'll probably be back-of-packing with my wife on
    my wheel. Otherwise - I'll be looking for a wheel of my own to cling
    too!!!

    Cheers all,
    Absent Husband

  8. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> "Tamyka" == Tamyka Bell <[email hidden]> writes:

    Tamyka eb said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>> "Carl" == Carl Brewer <[email hidden]> writes:



    Tamyka> <snip>
    Carl> It's not a bad book. My copy's well worn 🙂 "food for
    Carl> fitness" is another good one. Amazon's the only place to get
    Carl> it AFAIK, alas, unless you want to borrow my copy.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Most of my cooking comes out of the AIS books, Survival of the
    Fittest and Survival from the fittest. Cheap, easy, tasty and
    lots of carbs :-)

    Tamyka> <snip>

    Tamyka> That's really good of you chef-types. My cooking comes from
    Tamyka> looking at what veges are in the fridge, what meat is in the
    Tamyka> freezer, and whether I've got pasta or rice in the pantry.

    One of the reasons I got them was because I didn't start cooking till I
    was 30, didn't need to. I was a single soldier in the army and all my
    food was cooked for me :-)

    So there I was in civvy street without a clue how to feed myself. The
    AIS books are a godsend, you don't have to be a culinary genius to use
    them and the beauty of it is that you can cook most of the recipes in
    bulk. Forty to fifty minutes of cooking takes care of lunch for about
    two weeks, can't get better than that :-)
    --
    Cheers
    Euan

  9. Absent Husband said:


    "five minutes later I'd lose my temper: "Crikey, you could've
    pointed out that big f'off hole you rode us through, how about you just

    sit in back for a while" or "Use your f'ing small chain ring, d'head",
    .......
    and then "hey, eat something for f's sake, I don't want to
    drag you home."

    <snip>

    *gulp* sounds a bit like me on the Blart rides... While Tam, JH and the
    others didn't say it - I'm sure they thunk it a few times....

    Tee hee! BUY SOME GU OR SOMETHING, DUDE! Hahahaha!

    Quoted message said:

    I did manage to get a "Whoa", followed by a particularly steely look
    from LotteBum on the GBBR, when I swerved across her front wheel - but
    I'm still using the "dodging all the young bmx kiddies" as an excuse!!

    That was a lucky escape, just a "Whoa" and a steely look... you could've
    lost some body parts!

    Quoted message said:

    I'm trying to convince my wife to train up for the BQ BrisVegas to Gold
    Coast ride in October (just got an email about it from BQ). 100km -
    sounds like fun!! I'm definitely in for it - but if its not for
    'roadies only', then I'll probably be back-of-packing with my wife on
    my wheel. Otherwise - I'll be looking for a wheel of my own to cling
    too!!!

    I'd love to offer mine but I think I'd head off with the front pack for
    that one. I'd like to see their recommended route. They mentioned some
    surprises, but I figure that just means they've opened more of the
    cycleway...

  10. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> "Carl" == Carl Brewer <[email hidden]> writes:

    Carl> By way of a general rule of thumb (and this is -very- general)
    Carl> if yuo're doing long rides (60min+) you want to spend most of
    Carl> your time in what most Australian coaches will call "E1",
    Carl> which for you will be *around* 120-140bpm.

    Route: Dingley Village Centre Dandenong - Nepean - Grey Street -
    Canterbury Road - City Road - Clarendon Street - World Trade Centre.
    27.9 km

    Tried the 120-140 bpm thing today on both journeys. Was blowing a bit
    of a gale this morning so probably not the best time to start
    experimenting. To cut a long story short I kept under 140 MOST of the
    time. Added ten minutes to normal journey time, but a lot of the could
    have been the wind.

    Way back was less windy. For the first half of the ride it was a bit of
    a struggle. Something strange happened on the last half of the ride
    though. I was riding close to normal speed at a lot less effort. Not
    only that but I was able to push out more perceived effort vs HR. On
    Centre Dandenong road I was 130bpm, cadence of around 85 and *cruising*
    at 42km/h! Normal riding where I'm up around 150bpm I'm doing 45-8.

    Also a very different feel to the ride. Everything felt a lot smoother
    and, well serene I guess. Got home and didn't feel the need for my
    usual stretching routine (I did anyway).

    I'd like to say that I'll carry on with this for the rest of the week,
    unfortunately I'm in Tally Ho Thursday and Friday which means 175bpm+
    hills in the morning.

    Thanks for the insight.
    --
    Cheers
    Euan

  11. eb said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>> "Carl" == Carl Brewer <[email hidden]> writes:

    Carl> By way of a general rule of thumb (and this is -very- general)
    Carl> if yuo're doing long rides (60min+) you want to spend most of
    Carl> your time in what most Australian coaches will call "E1",
    Carl> which for you will be *around* 120-140bpm.

    Route: Dingley Village Centre Dandenong - Nepean - Grey Street -
    Canterbury Road - City Road - Clarendon Street - World Trade Centre.
    27.9 km

    Tried the 120-140 bpm thing today on both journeys. Was blowing a bit
    of a gale this morning so probably not the best time to start
    experimenting. To cut a long story short I kept under 140 MOST of the
    time. Added ten minutes to normal journey time, but a lot of the could
    have been the wind.

    Way back was less windy. For the first half of the ride it was a bit of
    a struggle. Something strange happened on the last half of the ride
    though. I was riding close to normal speed at a lot less effort. Not
    only that but I was able to push out more perceived effort vs HR. On
    Centre Dandenong road I was 130bpm, cadence of around 85 and *cruising*
    at 42km/h!

    I believe that's called a "Tailwind" 🙂

  12. Carl Brewer said:


    gross generalisation : partners don't *get* riding. They think it's a
    nice tootle to the park and back, not a 6 hour marathon or a 60 minute
    flog-fest with the aim of inflicting as much pain on eachother as
    humanly possible. Sorry, I'm a roady 🙂 It's how we think. Even
    recovery rides are frustrating for both people 🙁

    Tandems may be romantic in movies, but riding with one's partner
    sucketh!

    not when your partner's on another bike towing you up hills, providing an excellent draft downhills and is an all round windblocker 😉

    It's just a pity he has now gone up a grade racing, cos I have lost my support team now and have to work that bit harder .. boohoo!

  13. warrwych said:


    Carl Brewer said:


    gross generalisation : partners don't *get* riding. They think it's a
    nice tootle to the park and back, not a 6 hour marathon or a 60 minute
    flog-fest with the aim of inflicting as much pain on eachother as
    humanly possible. Sorry, I'm a roady 🙂 It's how we think. Even
    recovery rides are frustrating for both people 🙁

    Tandems may be romantic in movies, but riding with one's partner
    sucketh!

    not when your partner's on another bike towing you up hills, providing
    an excellent draft downhills and is an all round windblocker 😉

    of course, if your partner is also a racer ... all bets are off!

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