RECUMBENTS FOR TRAVEL

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I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE BICYCLE TRIPS BUT THE COMPANIES THAT ORGANIZE THEM DO NOT PROVIDE RECUMBENTS
AND I WILL NOT USE A WEDGIE. I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A RECUMBENT TRAVEL BIKE (BIKE IN A SUITCASE).
THERE ARE A FEW INCLUDING THE SATURDAY AND THE P-38 VOYAGER. I RIDE A BACCHETTA AT HOME AND DON'T
WANT TO COMPROMISE MUCH WHILE SPENDING $$$ ON A VACATION. ANY SUGGESTIONS OR EXPERIENCES WOULD BE
HELPFUL AS I INTEND TO MAKE A PURCHASE SOON. I WILL ALSO NEED ONE FOR MY WIFE. SHE RIDES A
TI-RUSH. WHILE I DO NOT EXPECT TO GET A LWB INTO A SUITCASE I AM LOOKING FOR A SWB THAT IS NOT TO
DEMANDING FOR HER.

art, just above the 'shift' key id the 'caps lock' key. please press it once before committing any
more breeches of internet etiquite. you have posted on this ng and the bacchetta yahoo group and to
me personally. all in upper case. computer text that is in all upper case is difficult to read. this
is not a teletype printer with only one character set. please compare my lower case response to your
upper case one above and you can easily see which is easier to read.

The reason that you have not gotten much response is that your communications are difficult to read
and not easy on the eyes.

i will try to answer you question. the p-38 voyager is probably the best packable bent for air
travel. I got mine after i successfully flew with my lwb rans stratus to vienna three years ago.
even though you can fly with a lwb, it is difficult to transport to and from the airport. I say the
p-38 voyager is probably the best packable bent. it is the best i have found. if i could find a
better one i would get it.

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Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.orgOpen ↗
- Bellaire, TX USA -

Most any SWB with a removable boom will fit in a UPS-able or airline-able box. I bought the
crate-works plastic bent-specific box which is all of the above.

True it is $50 either UPS cross-country or on the plane but when you start to add up the costs of
buying a new bike and special suitcases, you'd have to travel quite a bit with a bike to justify
the expense.

Regards Chris

I have heard that Angletech is putting S&S couplers in Rans Rockets. Nothing on the web site, last I
checked, so I'd suggest contacting them.

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John Riley

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE BICYCLE TRIPS BUT THE COMPANIES THAT ORGANIZE THEM DO NOT PROVIDE
RECUMBENTS AND I WILL NOT USE A WEDGIE. I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A RECUMBENT TRAVEL BIKE (BIKE IN
A SUITCASE). THERE ARE A FEW INCLUDING THE SATURDAY AND THE P-38 VOYAGER. I RIDE A BACCHETTA AT
HOME AND DON'T WANT TO COMPROMISE MUCH WHILE SPENDING $$$ ON A VACATION. ANY SUGGESTIONS OR
EXPERIENCES WOULD BE HELPFUL AS I INTEND TO MAKE A PURCHASE SOON. I WILL ALSO NEED ONE FOR MY
WIFE. SHE RIDES A TI-RUSH. WHILE I DO NOT EXPECT TO GET A LWB INTO A SUITCASE I AM LOOKING FOR A
SWB THAT IS NOT TO DEMANDING FOR HER.

art, just above the 'shift' key id the 'caps lock' key. please press it once before committing any
more breeches of internet etiquite. you have posted on this ng and the bacchetta yahoo group and
to me personally. all in upper case. computer text that is in all upper case is difficult to read.
this is not a teletype printer with only one character set. please compare my lower case response
to your upper case one above and you can easily see which is easier to read.

i agree upper case *is horrible*.

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i will try to answer you question. the p-38 voyager is probably the best packable bent for air
travel. I got mine after i successfully flew with my lwb rans stratus to vienna three years ago.
even though you can fly with a lwb, it is difficult to transport to and from the airport. I say
the p-38 voyager is probably the best packable bent. it is the best i have found. if i could find
a better one i would get it.

wow, sounds intersting: i'm looking for a travel foldable as well and i thought the saturday might
be the best sol.

how does the p-38 folds on plane trips? is there a suitcase-trailer-solution as with sat?

other option could be the german atl folder or my all-loved flevo (can be seperated in the middle),
but it all lacks the suitcase for flights...

cheers, leooo

--
leo broska

cycling in sydney, australia:
+ flevo -- for commuting and fun
+ birdy -- for train connections and laziness
+ no leitra -- for the rain, but left in europe.

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Quoted message said:

i will try to answer you question. the p-38 voyager is probably the best packable bent for air
travel. I got mine after i successfully flew with my lwb rans stratus to vienna three years ago.
even though you can fly with a lwb, it is difficult to transport to and from the airport. I say
the p-38 voyager is probably the best packable bent. it is the best i have found. if i could
find a better one i would get it.

wow, sounds intersting: i'm looking for a travel foldable as well and i thought the saturday might
be the best sol.

how does the p-38 folds on plane trips? is there a suitcase-trailer-solution as with sat?

Here are my packing pics. clee.orgindex.htmOpen ↗

Here are Lightnings photos: lightningbikes.comnew page 2.htmOpen ↗

The case is not a trailer. I would not want to try to tow it. I leave mine in a hotel in the city I
fly in to. The hotel will generally keep your bags if you book the first and last night.

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Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.orgOpen ↗
- Bellaire, TX USA -

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Here are my packing pics. clee.orgindex.htmOpen ↗

Here are Lightnings photos: lightningbikes.comnew page 2.htmOpen ↗

thanks for the lnks!!!

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The case is not a trailer. I would not want to try to tow it. I leave mine in a hotel in the city
I fly in to. The hotel will generally keep your bags if you book the first and last night.

mmmh, doesn't sound very flexible to me: i like independency...

i'll still think the saturday might be the better option, but i do not know anybody using it.

cheers, leooo

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Here are my packing pics. clee.orgindex.htmOpen ↗

Here are Lightnings photos: lightningbikes.comnew page 2.htmOpen ↗

thanks for the lnks!!!

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The case is not a trailer. I would not want to try to tow it. I leave mine in a hotel in the
city I fly in to. The hotel will generally keep your bags if you book the first and last night.

mmmh, doesn't sound very flexible to me: i like independency...

i'll still think the saturday might be the better option, but i do not know anybody using it.

Every option has it's drawbacks. The Voyager is a full-sized P-38 and can support self-contained
touring. (which I like to do). The Sat-R- Day on the other hand is a travel bike and IMO is not
robust enough to stand up to the rigours of daily loaded touring.

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Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.orgOpen ↗
- Bellaire, TX USA -

Bentrider Online ( bentrideronine.combentrideronine.comOpen ↗ ) has recently posted a review of a Bike Saturday.
Bryan Ball is currently using the bike as a daily commuter. I do not know how the Saturday will hold
up to touring but I believe that is one of the primary goals of the design. I don't think that the
BikeFriday trailer is well suited to days of being towed, but rather is intended to get the bike
case (and luggage) to your first destination from the airport. You might try contacting both
BikeFriday and Lightning to get more information. The way I see it the Voyager is a fullsized bike
that can be broken down (much like an upright bike with couplers), while the BikeSatRDay is a high
end folding bike. The BikeFriday should be easier to travel with but the Voyager will probably
outperform it on the road. Which one better fits your needs is for you to decide. Craig

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Here are my packing pics. clee.orgindex.htmOpen ↗

Here are Lightnings photos: lightningbikes.comnew page 2.htmOpen ↗

thanks for the lnks!!!

Quoted message said:

The case is not a trailer. I would not want to try to tow it. I leave mine in a hotel in the
city I fly in to. The hotel will generally keep your bags if you book the first and last
night.

mmmh, doesn't sound very flexible to me: i like independency...

i'll still think the saturday might be the better option, but i do not know anybody using it.

Every option has it's drawbacks. The Voyager is a full-sized P-38 and can support self-contained
touring. (which I like to do). The Sat-R- Day on the other hand is a travel bike and IMO is not
robust enough to stand up to the rigours of daily loaded touring.

How 'bout weeks? My riding partner did 1200 miles/three weeks out of the BF trailer and it is no
worse for this wear. We're off to SAGBRAW shortly after having done BRAG and CSC - using the
trailer. On BRAG and CSC I saw more than one such trailer. Last year we did Cycle North Carolina in
T. S. Kyle - using the trailer. I had dinner last night with an Australian touring the US on a BF
and towing the Carlton trailer.

Seems some disagree with you

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I don't think that the BikeFriday trailer is well suited to days of being towed, but rather is
intended to get the bike case (and luggage) to your first destination from the airport. You might
try contacting both BikeFriday and Lightning to get more information.

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[B]I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE BICYCLE TRIPS BUT THE COMPANIES THAT ORGANIZE THEM DO NOT PROVIDE RECUMBENTS[/QUOTE]

What about Happy Riders Cycle Tours. An American company offering holidays in France with BikeE, Rans Tailwind and a Rans Screamer....
http://pro.wanadoo.fr/happyriders/index.htm

In the UK there's the Company of Cyclists and, although you bring your own bike, they always have recumbents to play with....
http://www.companyofcyclists.com/

It appears that Angletech's foldable Rans Rocket is now available. It's a $600 or 700 upgrade, I believe

I've been struggling with the same issue and am now working with a custom bike fitter in L.A. to cut my Lightning Phantom in two! The actual cut, coupling, paint and suitcase will probably cost about 600 in the end, but we're also upgrading the components, etc.

I couldn't quite bring myself to choke up the 1200 for the voyager, since I know it probably doesn't cost Lightning anything near that to have the frame cut and put in a suitcase. The $4K Angletech Altitude looked great, but also just SO expensive and a little overdone for my needs. I didn't feel comfortable with the tiny-wheeled Saturday for old hilly Italian roads. And then, finally, I didn't much like the idea of taking putting so much money into a Rocket (a decent bike for tours, but not a stunner), though this was my tentative choice until I spoke with my custom fitter guy.

So, my suggestion? The Rocket with couplers, from Angletech, or find a frame builder or fitter that would be willing to cut your bike in two for you.

Abby

For homebuilders, I helped a guy do a take apart SWB. We actually went to Spain in this bike

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

The way I see it the Voyager is a fullsized bike that can be broken down (much like an upright
bike with couplers), while the BikeSatRDay is a high end folding bike. The BikeFriday should be
easier to travel with but the Voyager will probably outperform it on the road. Which one better
fits your needs is for you to decide.

If I could have been so succinct.

There are bikes built for traveling and there are bikes built for touring. The Voyager is the only
recumbent that I have found that does both acceptably.
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Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.orgOpen ↗
- Bellaire, TX USA -

I guess I am wrong. I thought I had read a review that said the BikeFriday trailer was not suitable
to touring but obviously either I or the review were wrong. Thanks for clearing that up. Craig

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How 'bout weeks? My riding partner did 1200 miles/three weeks out of the BF trailer and it is no
worse for this wear. We're off to SAGBRAW shortly after having done BRAG and CSC - using the
trailer. On BRAG and CSC I saw more than one such trailer. Last year we did Cycle North Carolina
in T. S. Kyle - using the trailer. I had dinner last night with an Australian touring the US on a
BF and towing the Carlton trailer.

Seems some disagree with you

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Quoted message said:

I don't think that the BikeFriday trailer is well suited to days of being towed, but rather is
intended to get the bike case (and luggage) to your first destination from the airport. You
might try contacting both BikeFriday and Lightning to get more information.