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  1. Quoted message said:
    Bronsing said:

    fred & michele <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    >Of course, if you don't believe in God or Jesus, you also don't

    believe

    Quoted message said:

    there

    >will be a judgment day.
    >
    >I pray you will wake up before it is too late.
    >
    >Jan

    Many non-Christians believe in a final ending to the world. Even those

    who

    Quoted message said:

    don't believe in one specific deity often ascribe to the idea of a final
    judgement.

    While I'm not sure it'll be a 'judgement', I'm pretty sure that in some 5
    billion years from now the earth won't be there anymore.

    That newly discovered planet is only 13 billion years old. Perhaps you
    underestimate Earth.

    The condition of the Sun is critical to the survival of life on Earth as well
    as the planet itself. I'm told we have less than a billion years before
    changes within the sun will make Earth uninhabitable. Check back with me then
    to see if my sources were correct.

    PS: BTW, may I suggest "LimboCartel" and/or "LamaCartel"?

  2. [email hidden] (Ilsa9) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    The condition of the Sun is critical to the survival of life on Earth as well
    as the planet itself. I'm told we have less than a billion years before
    changes within the sun will make Earth uninhabitable. Check back with me then
    to see if my sources were correct.


    A lot can happen in a 100 years, letalone a 1000.
    Already there are technologies invented that are being kept from the
    world.
    Manmade UFOs, free energy, maybe time travel, and who knows what else.

    The end of the world could mean the end of the current world system,
    which is ruled by the power elite where the rich get rich and the poor
    get poor. Where the power cartels have their way over the world and
    keep the truth from the public. These 7 cartels represent the
    following areas:

    GOVERNMENT - lie to the people, and manipulate in favour of the power
    elite
    MILITARY, - used to achieve purposes in favour of power elite
    INTELLIGENCE, - used to do black ops, smuggle drugs and manipulate
    scenarios
    ENERGY, - free energy suppressed in favour of fossil fuels
    MONEY, - banks use usury and compound interest, to rob the people -
    income tax illegal,
    MEDIA, AND - owned by the power elite to socialise and manipulate the
    people
    MEDICAL - pharmaceutical drugs that treat and make money for power
    elite over natural medicine that cures.

    Carole
    http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/allopathy.htm

  3. Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Ilsa9) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    The condition of the Sun is critical to the survival of life on Earth as


    well

    Quoted message said:

    as the planet itself. I'm told we have less than a billion years before
    changes within the sun will make Earth uninhabitable. Check back with me


    then

    Quoted message said:

    to see if my sources were correct.


    A lot can happen in a 100 years, letalone a 1000.
    Already there are technologies invented that are being kept from the
    world.
    Manmade UFOs, free energy, maybe time travel, and who knows what else.

    Time travel? I do that every day, but I don't seem to have a reverse gear on
    my space-time-warp-drive.

  4. You're traveling through another dimension. A dimension not of only
    sight and sound, but of mind. A journey into a wonderous land whose
    boundaries are that of imagination. The sign post up ahead. Your next
    stop...

    The Carole Zone!

    Carole said:

    [email hidden] (Ilsa9) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    The condition of the Sun is critical to the survival of life on Earth as well
    as the planet itself. I'm told we have less than a billion years before
    changes within the sun will make Earth uninhabitable. Check back with me then
    to see if my sources were correct.

    A lot can happen in a 100 years, letalone a 1000.
    Already there are technologies invented that are being kept from the
    world.
    Manmade UFOs, free energy, maybe time travel, and who knows what else.

    The end of the world could mean the end of the current world system,
    which is ruled by the power elite where the rich get rich and the poor
    get poor. Where the power cartels have their way over the world and
    keep the truth from the public. These 7 cartels represent the
    following areas:

    GOVERNMENT - lie to the people, and manipulate in favour of the power
    elite
    MILITARY, - used to achieve purposes in favour of power elite
    INTELLIGENCE, - used to do black ops, smuggle drugs and manipulate
    scenarios
    ENERGY, - free energy suppressed in favour of fossil fuels
    MONEY, - banks use usury and compound interest, to rob the people -
    income tax illegal,
    MEDIA, AND - owned by the power elite to socialise and manipulate the
    people
    MEDICAL - pharmaceutical drugs that treat and make money for power
    elite over natural medicine that cures.

    Carole
    http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/allopathy.htm

  5. In said:

    Carole, I will be giving a talk about conspiracies at the Australian
    Skeptics convention in Canberra on August 23. Please stop revealing
    the plot or nobody will need to listen to me.

    Any chance of getting Carole as guest speaker?
    She's bound to be more entertaining than you.

    --
    | Microsoft: "A reputation for releasing inferior software will make |
    | it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay |
    | for new products or new versions of existing products." |
    end

  6. Mark Probert <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    You're traveling through another dimension. A dimension not of only
    sight and sound, but of mind. A journey into a wonderous land whose
    boundaries are that of imagination. The sign post up ahead. Your next
    stop...

    The Carole Zone!

    I'll apologise to Jefferson Airplane in advance, couldn't resist ;-)

    White Rabbit...

    One cell-salt makes you larger,
    and one cell-salt makes you small;
    But the ones that Mother gives you, don't do anything at all...
    Go ask Carole, when she's ten feet tall.

    And if you go, chasing rabbits,
    and you know you're going to fall,
    Tell 'em a hookah, smoking caterpillar
    Has given you the call
    Call Carole,
    when she was just small

    When the men on the chessboard,
    get up and tell you where to go,
    and you just had somekind of cell-salt and
    your mind is moving low,
    Go ask Carole, I think she'll know

    When logic, and proportion,
    have fallen sloppy dead,
    And the white knight is talking backwards
    And the Red Queen's "off with her head"
    Remember, what the dormouse said:
    "Feed your head
    Feed your head
    Feed your head"

    It just came to mind...

    --

    Robert Bronsing

    Can't you see?
    It all makes perfect sense,
    expressed in dollars and cents, pounds, shillings and pence

    (R. Waters)

  7. Quoted message said:

    Mark Probert <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    You're traveling through another dimension. A dimension not of only
    sight and sound, but of mind. A journey into a wonderous land whose
    boundaries are that of imagination. The sign post up ahead. Your next
    stop...

    The Carole Zone!

    I'll apologise to Jefferson Airplane in advance, couldn't resist ;-)

    White Rabbit...

    One cell-salt makes you larger,
    and one cell-salt makes you small;
    But the ones that Mother gives you, don't do anything at all...
    Go ask Carole, when she's ten feet tall.

    And if you go, chasing rabbits,
    and you know you're going to fall,
    Tell 'em a hookah, smoking caterpillar
    Has given you the call
    Call Carole,
    when she was just small

    When the men on the chessboard,
    get up and tell you where to go,
    and you just had somekind of cell-salt and
    your mind is moving low,
    Go ask Carole, I think she'll know

    When logic, and proportion,
    have fallen sloppy dead,
    And the white knight is talking backwards
    And the Red Queen's "off with her head"
    Remember, what the dormouse said:
    "Feed your head
    Feed your head
    Feed your head"

    It just came to mind...

    That was brilliant! Bravo! Encore!

    Quoted message said:

    --

    Quoted message said:


    Robert Bronsing

  8. Bronsing said:

    Mark Probert <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    You're traveling through another dimension. A dimension not of only
    sight and sound, but of mind. A journey into a wonderous land whose
    boundaries are that of imagination. The sign post up ahead. Your next
    stop...

    The Carole Zone!

    I'll apologise to Jefferson Airplane in advance, couldn't resist ;-)

    White Rabbit...

    One cell-salt makes you larger,
    and one cell-salt makes you small;
    But the ones that Mother gives you, don't do anything at all...
    Go ask Carole, when she's ten feet tall.

    And if you go, chasing rabbits,
    and you know you're going to fall,
    Tell 'em a hookah, smoking caterpillar
    Has given you the call
    Call Carole,
    when she was just small

    When the men on the chessboard,
    get up and tell you where to go,
    and you just had somekind of cell-salt and
    your mind is moving low,
    Go ask Carole, I think she'll know

    When logic, and proportion,
    have fallen sloppy dead,
    And the white knight is talking backwards
    And the Red Queen's "off with her head"
    Remember, what the dormouse said:
    "Feed your head
    Feed your head
    Feed your head"

    It just came to mind...

    I doff my cap to you and hereby step aside as the self appointed bard of
    mha and allow you to assume your rightful place.

  9. | Bronsing composed the following...
    |
    | I'll apologise to Jefferson Airplane in advance,
    | couldn't resist ;-)
    |
    | White Rabbit...
    |
    | One cell-salt makes you larger,
    | and one cell-salt makes you small;
    | But the ones that Mother gives you,
    | don't do anything at all...
    | Go ask Carole, when she's ten feet tall.
    |
    | And if you go, chasing rabbits,
    | and you know you're going to fall,
    | Tell 'em a hookah, smoking caterpillar
    | Has given you the call
    | Call Carole,
    | when she was just small
    |
    | When the men on the chessboard,
    | get up and tell you where to go,
    | and you just had somekind of cell-salt
    | and your mind is moving low,
    | Go ask Carole, I think she'll know
    |
    | When logic, and proportion,
    | have fallen sloppy dead,
    | And the white knight is talking backwards
    | And the Red Queen's "off with her head"
    | Remember, what the dormouse said:
    | "Feed your head
    | Feed your head
    | Feed your head"

    And thus established himself as a distinguished
    member of the MHA singers. Congratulations.

    Regards,
    Snidely

  10. Bronsing said:

    Mark Probert <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    You're traveling through another dimension. A dimension not of only
    sight and sound, but of mind. A journey into a wonderous land whose
    boundaries are that of imagination. The sign post up ahead. Your next
    stop...

    The Carole Zone!

    I'll apologise to Jefferson Airplane in advance, couldn't resist ;-)

    White Rabbit...

    One cell-salt makes you larger,
    and one cell-salt makes you small;
    But the ones that Mother gives you, don't do anything at all...
    Go ask Carole, when she's ten feet tall.

    Welcome to the Posse, Robert.

    http://www.ratbags.com/posse/songbook.htm

    --
    Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight

  11. Quoted message said:

    From: Peter Bowditch

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.ratbags.com/posse/songbook

    Now debunkers have songs to belittle.

    What a waste of time. What a pity they have an insane desire to belittle, and
    insult.

    Sad.

    Jan

  12. D. C. Sessions said:
    In said:

    Carole, I will be giving a talk about conspiracies at the Australian
    Skeptics convention in Canberra on August 23. Please stop revealing
    the plot or nobody will need to listen to me.

    Any chance of getting Carole as guest speaker?

    There is still one speaker to be confirmed, so perhaps she could
    contact the organisers and volunteer. The guest speaker at the
    convention dinner will be Ian Rowland, who is a specialist in cold
    reading. His mind reading act is very impressive, but he might find
    Carole a challenge.

    Quoted message said:

    She's bound to be more entertaining than you.

    Is that belittling (although secretly I agree)? Watch out or Jan will
    be annoyed. Oh, that's right, I forgot. Jan does not recognise
    belittling when the target is on this side of the fence.

    --
    Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight

  13. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Massive Multinational Assault on Alternative Medicines
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 7/18/2003 8:04 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    D. C. Sessions said:
    In said:

    Carole, I will be giving a talk about conspiracies at the Australian
    Skeptics convention in Canberra on August 23. Please stop revealing
    the plot or nobody will need to listen to me.

    Any chance of getting Carole as guest speaker?

    There is still one speaker to be confirmed, so perhaps she could
    contact the organisers and volunteer. The guest speaker at the
    convention dinner will be Ian Rowland, who is a specialist in cold
    reading. His mind reading act is very impressive, but he might find
    Carole a challenge.

    Quoted message said:

    She's bound to be more entertaining than you.

    Is that belittling (although secretly I agree)? Watch out or Jan will
    be annoyed. Oh, that's right, I forgot. Jan does not recognise
    belittling when the target is on this side of the fence.

    I guess you have forgotten the below, or you are just angry, so you are making
    up lies again.

    I certainly did recognize belittling on the Hulda Calrk list and it was
    despicable. I would have no part of it and I told them all including Hulda and
    her son just that.

    You have a choice to either retract, apologize or do nothing, your choice, your
    creditability.

    Jan

    From: JDrew63929 ([email hidden])
    Subject: Re: Telling it like it is Part 2
    Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Original Format
    Date: 2001-06-30 18:50:30 PST

    How wrong you are. I came to Bill Ross's defense when he was being treated
    wrong and it was on the Dr Clark list. I told both Tim Bolen and Hulda brother
    what I thought. I also wrote to Hulda and told her.

    From: Jan ([email hidden])
    Subject: Re: WHO Declares Europe and Central Asia Polio Free
    Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
    Original Format
    Date: 2002-07-05 19:51:24 PST

    I have indeed let her and her son how I feel about Tim Bolen and how Bill Ross
    was treated unfairly on the Dr Clark ng, and I told the whole group, I would be
    no part of these kind of actions.

    ==============================

    Bill Ross was being treated unfairly on the Hulda Clark list, and her brother
    was involved. They even questioned if his mom was really dead. He stated, since
    I was the only one he trusted he would sent me the proof from the paper. He did
    just that and I posted it on the group.

    He has also stated right here on the ng, that I came to his
    defense,,,,,,,,,,,EVEN TOUGH HE WAS A BASHER OF HULDA!

    From: Peter Bowditch ([email hidden])
    Subject: Re: Bulletin from Dr clark Research Association
    Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
    Original Format
    Date: 2000/05/02

    <snip>

    PB:A bit of context is required here. Someone was being abused by Tim
    Bolen (mouthpiece for Hulda Clark) and the target told the list about
    a message from Bolen. The post included a quote from someone calling
    themselves "Jan" which appeared to support what Bolen was doing. As
    there were at least two possible "Jans" I could think of, I was simply
    asking for clarification. Jan Drew has now publicly dissociated
    herself from the disgusting behaviour of Tim Bolen and Leo Regehr, and
    I have no reason to doubt her sincerity on this.

    JD:Thank you. I am indeed most sincere. It was truly disgusting.

    PB:That is why I was so incensed when Bolen and

    Quoted message said:

    Regehr started suggesting that someone had let his mother die to
    collect an inheritance.

    JD:And rightfully so!

  14. --

    "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    D. C. Sessions said:
    In said:

    Carole, I will be giving a talk about conspiracies at the Australian
    Skeptics convention in Canberra on August 23. Please stop revealing
    the plot or nobody will need to listen to me.

    Any chance of getting Carole as guest speaker?

    There is still one speaker to be confirmed, so perhaps she could
    contact the organisers and volunteer. The guest speaker at the
    convention dinner will be Ian Rowland, who is a specialist in cold
    reading. His mind reading act is very impressive, but he might find
    Carole a challenge.

    Quoted message said:

    She's bound to be more entertaining than you.

    Is that belittling (although secretly I agree)? Watch out or Jan will
    be annoyed. Oh, that's right, I forgot. Jan does not recognise
    belittling when the target is on this side of the fence.

    --
    Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight

    Wow! Ian is one of my heros. I wish I could be there! Mentalism is one of my
    hobbies, and he is a major authority on the subject.

    --Rich

  15. Rich Shewmaker said:

    "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    D. C. Sessions said:

    In <[email hidden]>, Peter Bowditch wrote:

    > Carole, I will be giving a talk about conspiracies at the Australian
    > Skeptics convention in Canberra on August 23. Please stop revealing
    > the plot or nobody will need to listen to me.

    Any chance of getting Carole as guest speaker?

    There is still one speaker to be confirmed, so perhaps she could
    contact the organisers and volunteer. The guest speaker at the
    convention dinner will be Ian Rowland, who is a specialist in cold
    reading. His mind reading act is very impressive, but he might find
    Carole a challenge.

    Quoted message said:

    She's bound to be more entertaining than you.

    Is that belittling (although secretly I agree)? Watch out or Jan will
    be annoyed. Oh, that's right, I forgot. Jan does not recognise
    belittling when the target is on this side of the fence.

    --
    Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight

    Wow! Ian is one of my heros. I wish I could be there! Mentalism is one of my
    hobbies, and he is a major authority on the subject.

    Ian's going to be spending quite a bit of time with us over the next
    few weeks. He will be in Australia for about a month, we hope, and we
    will be taking him to the Great Australian Science Show in Melbourne
    and the convention in Canberra. As well as that, he will be speaking
    at a couple of our dinner functions and helping us with the initial
    planning of a DVD we will be making about cold reading.

    He will be busy but not to busy to attend a few of our SkeptoBarbies
    (he will be staying with one of our committee members who lives quite
    close to me), so we all expect to know a lot about mentalism and cold
    reading by the time he leaves.

    --
    Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight

  16. Jan said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: Peter Bowditch

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.ratbags.com/posse/songbook

    Now debunkers have songs to belittle.

    What a waste of time. What a pity they have an insane desire to belittle, and
    insult.

    What Jan calls belittling is actually placing things in their proper
    perspective.

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