David Wright's Intelligent Additions To Discussion

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When my kids got into arguments, both got punished. One for starting, the
other for not stopping.

Gee. I wonder what Dr. Phil would say about that!?

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Looks like Jan is simply pointing out WHO starts the fights.
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> >From: [email hidden]
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> >>you barely know where the colon IS..
> >
> Oh, sure he does -- it's where he keeps his head most of the time.
>
> Auto-intoxication" -- getting drunk in your car. Carole may do this
> frequently; it would explain her postings.
>
> Gee, you're not just a spammer -- you're a lying spammer. You sell
> the ginseng that just coincidentally happens to be the subject of

your

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> ZZzz.

Jan, what does this add to the disucssion? Nothing.

It is abusive, and inflammatory.

Why do you look to start fights?

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When my kids got into arguments, both got punished. One for starting,

the

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other for not stopping.

Gee. I wonder what Dr. Phil would say about that!?

Who cares? I only had to point out that fighting was wrong, and it took two.

It worked, and they are best of friends.

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(Jan) said:

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you barely know where the colon IS..

Oh, sure he does -- it's where he keeps his head most of the time.

Auto-intoxication" -- getting drunk in your car. Carole may do this
frequently; it would explain her postings.

Gee, you're not just a spammer -- you're a lying spammer. You sell
the ginseng that just coincidentally happens to be the subject of your
"free seminar." You [censored].

One notes that Carole still hasn't produced evidence to support her
claim that 90% of chronic ill health is caused by a "toxic colon" or
that chronic disease is caused by "autointoxication," much less even
defined what the hell it is they mean.

Perhaps you could help her out and explain what those things mean.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message
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>you barely know where the colon IS..

Oh, sure he does -- it's where he keeps his head most of the time.

Auto-intoxication" -- getting drunk in your car. Carole may do this
frequently; it would explain her postings.

Gee, you're not just a spammer -- you're a lying spammer. You sell
the ginseng that just coincidentally happens to be the subject of your
"free seminar." You [censored].

ZZzz.

Jan, what does this add to the disucssion? Nothing.

It is abusive, and inflammatory.

Why do you look to start fights?

She can't help it, Mark. Jan is obsessed with me. I suspect it's
unrequited love, but there's no way to be sure.

Jan, Jan -- there is no chance of a relationship between us. You'll
just have to put those hopes behind you. I'm sorry to wound you like
this, but sometimes one must be blunt to be kind.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Subject: Re: David Wright's Intelligent Additions To Discussion
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 9/4/2003 7:28 PM Pacific Standard Time
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[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message
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> >From: [email hidden]
>
> >>you barely know where the colon IS..
> >
> Oh, sure he does -- it's where he keeps his head most of the time.
>
> Auto-intoxication" -- getting drunk in your car. Carole may do this
> frequently; it would explain her postings.
>
> Gee, you're not just a spammer -- you're a lying spammer. You sell
> the ginseng that just coincidentally happens to be the subject of your
> "free seminar." You [censored].
>
> ZZzz.

Jan, what does this add to the disucssion? Nothing.

That's the point, only it is David. I don't expect you to see it.

The debunker group does the usual spin.

ZZzz.

Jan, you seem to fall asleep at the strangest of times. Perhaps a mild CNS
stimulant can help?

How bout you, being so much smarter than everyone else, figure it out on
your own? Unless you are really just an average [censored]. In that case ,
carry on.
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(Jan) said:

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From: [email hidden]

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>you barely know where the colon IS..

Oh, sure he does -- it's where he keeps his head most of the time.

Auto-intoxication" -- getting drunk in your car. Carole may do this
frequently; it would explain her postings.

Gee, you're not just a spammer -- you're a lying spammer. You sell
the ginseng that just coincidentally happens to be the subject of your
"free seminar." You [censored].

One notes that Carole still hasn't produced evidence to support her
claim that 90% of chronic ill health is caused by a "toxic colon" or
that chronic disease is caused by "autointoxication," much less even
defined what the hell it is they mean.

Perhaps you could help her out and explain what those things mean.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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David said:

How bout you, being so much smarter than everyone else, figure it out on
your own? Unless you are really just an average [censored]. In that case ,
carry on.

I'll take that as a "no" answer to my question about whether you're
willing to bail Carole out.

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(Jan) said:

>From: [email hidden]

>>you barely know where the colon IS..
>
Oh, sure he does -- it's where he keeps his head most of the time.

Auto-intoxication" -- getting drunk in your car. Carole may do this
frequently; it would explain her postings.

Gee, you're not just a spammer -- you're a lying spammer. You sell
the ginseng that just coincidentally happens to be the subject of your
"free seminar." You [censored].

One notes that Carole still hasn't produced evidence to support her
claim that 90% of chronic ill health is caused by a "toxic colon" or
that chronic disease is caused by "autointoxication," much less even
defined what the hell it is they mean.

Perhaps you could help her out and explain what those things mean.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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When my kids got into arguments, both got punished. One for starting, the
other for not stopping.

Gee. I wonder what Dr. Phil would say about that!?

That's a point. Surely if the kids get into arguments it would be
better to talk them through the problem they are arguing about, not
just punish both of them for daring to disagree passionately about
something.

After all kids are kids and are supposed to look into the reasons for
things, not just go along with everything dished out by their elders.
That is, unless you are trying to turn them into mindless zombies who
just accept everything regardless.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm

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(Jan) said:

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From: [email hidden]

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>you barely know where the colon IS..

Oh, sure he does -- it's where he keeps his head most of the time.

Auto-intoxication" -- getting drunk in your car. Carole may do this
frequently; it would explain her postings.

Gee, you're not just a spammer -- you're a lying spammer. You sell
the ginseng that just coincidentally happens to be the subject of your
"free seminar." You [censored].

One notes that Carole still hasn't produced evidence to support her
claim that 90% of chronic ill health is caused by a "toxic colon" or
that chronic disease is caused by "autointoxication," much less even
defined what the hell it is they mean.

What sort of "evidence" would you like? The evidence is that there are
complementary treatments that are effective.

What I will say is that there are nutritional methods for treating
common complaints that never get mentioned by conventional medicine.
This is all tied up with the concept of nature cure.
Auto-intoxication is otherwise known as self-poisoning from my
understanding. This is where the normal body processes of digestion
and cell metabolisation of food, result in waste products - this is
perfectly logical to anybody. These waste products are usually
eliminated through the normal organs of elimination but certain
conditions can obviously hinder the process - including faulty
nutrition, overloading the system, stress, fatigue, emotional
problems. My hypothesis is the body heals itself if provided with the
correct environment - and all without pharmaceutical drugs. Prove me
wrong.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm

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Subject: Re: David Wright's Intelligent Additions To Discussion
From: [email hidden] (Carole)
Date: 9/23/2003 4:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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My hypothesis is the body heals itself if provided with the
correct environment - and all without pharmaceutical drugs. Prove me
wrong.

simply get yourself a book on human physiology

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These waste products are usually
eliminated through the normal organs of elimination but certain
conditions can obviously hinder the process - including faulty
nutrition, overloading the system, stress, fatigue, emotional

the above will NOT affect the functions of the kidneys,,liver...lungs and
colon...

so your theory is all wet...and full of the s.it you think our colons are...

ever looked into a colon??...hmmmm I have..probably 10,000 of them....shiny
pink tissue...no places to "hide" toxins..
or waste products

hawki

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(Jan) said:

>From: [email hidden]

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>>you barely know where the colon IS..
>
Oh, sure he does -- it's where he keeps his head most of the time.

Auto-intoxication" -- getting drunk in your car. Carole may do this
frequently; it would explain her postings.

Gee, you're not just a spammer -- you're a lying spammer. You sell
the ginseng that just coincidentally happens to be the subject of your
"free seminar." You [censored].

One notes that Carole still hasn't produced evidence to support her
claim that 90% of chronic ill health is caused by a "toxic colon" or
that chronic disease is caused by "autointoxication," much less even
defined what the hell it is they mean.

What sort of "evidence" would you like? The evidence is that there are
complementary treatments that are effective.

What specific evidence? Effective in treating what specific conditions?

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What I will say is that there are nutritional methods for treating
common complaints that never get mentioned by conventional medicine.
This is all tied up with the concept of nature cure.
Auto-intoxication is otherwise known as self-poisoning from my
understanding.

The body is well-equipped to rid itself of the "toxins" caused from
oxidative phosphorylation and other bodily processes.

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This is where the normal body processes of digestion
and cell metabolisation of food, result in waste products - this is
perfectly logical to anybody.

Notice that rarely, if ever, does an altie tell us which SPECIFIC
"toxins" cause which specific disease, nor do they ever tell us which
specific toxin their "treatment" removes. They almost always speak only
vaguely of unspecified "toxins."

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These waste products are usually
eliminated through the normal organs of elimination but certain
conditions can obviously hinder the process - including faulty
nutrition, overloading the system, stress, fatigue, emotional
problems. My hypothesis is the body heals itself if provided with the
correct environment - and all without pharmaceutical drugs. Prove me
wrong.

It is not up to me to "prove you wrong." You made an assertion that the
body heals itself if provided with the "correct" environment. The burden
of proof to back up that assertion is therefore on you. It is therefore
up to you to prove yourself correct. It is also incumbent upon you to
define what the "correct" environment is.

But if you really want to be proven wrong, I'll start with one condition
that can't be cured by your methods. Severe gangrene is a condition that
no amount of environmental manipulation or nutritional therapies is
going to heal. It needs antibiotics and surgery to either debride the
dead tissue or to amputate the gangrenous limb. Period.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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Subject: Re: David Wright's Intelligent Additions To Discussion
From: [email hidden] (Carole)
Date: 9/23/2003 4:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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My hypothesis is the body heals itself if provided with the
correct environment - and all without pharmaceutical drugs. Prove me
wrong.

simply get yourself a book on human physiology

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These waste products are usually
eliminated through the normal organs of elimination but certain
conditions can obviously hinder the process - including faulty
nutrition, overloading the system, stress, fatigue, emotional

the above will NOT affect the functions of the kidneys,,liver...lungs and
colon...

so your theory is all wet...and full of the s.it you think our colons

are...

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ever looked into a colon??...hmmmm I have..probably 10,000 of

them....shiny

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pink tissue...no places to "hide" toxins..
or waste products

hawki

Hawki, I'm on your side in any argument about "toxic colon" or the benefits
of "cleansing" ones colon. But to be fair, all those pretty pink colons that
you have examined have had the benefit of a cleanse in the form of Golytely
and/or enemas. If you took a peek in mine right now, I'm sure you'd find
some [censored]. Not that my condition is unhealthy....

;o) Rich --> Has carried out the order "SSE's until clear" far too often!

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Subject: Re: David Wright's Intelligent Additions To Discussion
From: "Rich Shewmaker" [email hidden]
Date: 9/24/2003 12:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Hawki, I'm on your side in any argument about "toxic colon" or the benefits
of "cleansing" ones colon. But to be fair, all those pretty pink colons that
you have examined have had the benefit of a cleanse in the form of

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Golytely
and/or enemas. If you took a peek in mine right now, I'm sure you'd find
some [censored]. Not that my condition is unhealthy....

lol lol...how true....

but I was referring to the alties claim that colons have "hidden spaces" filled
with rotting wastes (not the tiny divertics)..

SSE's...wow haven't heard that since my nursing school days in the 60's!!!

golytely has always seemed like a misnomer don't ya think....?? go lightly???

actually my doc used fleets phospo soda x 2...it was way salty..but at least
didn't come in a gallon jug!!!

cheers...
hawki

Excuse me, what are you, Hawki63, doing in an Alternative Health group?
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Subject: Re: David Wright's Intelligent Additions To Discussion
From: [email hidden] (Carole)
Date: 9/23/2003 4:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

My hypothesis is the body heals itself if provided with the
correct environment - and all without pharmaceutical drugs. Prove me
wrong.

simply get yourself a book on human physiology

Quoted message said:

These waste products are usually
eliminated through the normal organs of elimination but certain
conditions can obviously hinder the process - including faulty
nutrition, overloading the system, stress, fatigue, emotional

the above will NOT affect the functions of the kidneys,,liver...lungs and
colon...

so your theory is all wet...and full of the s.it you think our colons

are...

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ever looked into a colon??...hmmmm I have..probably 10,000 of

them....shiny

Quoted message said:

pink tissue...no places to "hide" toxins..
or waste products

hawki

Orac, is wrong. Gangrene may be cured by other methods. But then, Orac would
not get to hurt someone.
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[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

> >From: [email hidden]

> >>you barely know where the colon IS..
> >
> Oh, sure he does -- it's where he keeps his head most of the time.
>
> Auto-intoxication" -- getting drunk in your car. Carole may do this
> frequently; it would explain her postings.
>
> Gee, you're not just a spammer -- you're a lying spammer. You sell
> the ginseng that just coincidentally happens to be the subject of

your

Quoted message said:

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> "free seminar." You [censored].

One notes that Carole still hasn't produced evidence to support her
claim that 90% of chronic ill health is caused by a "toxic colon" or
that chronic disease is caused by "autointoxication," much less even
defined what the hell it is they mean.

What sort of "evidence" would you like? The evidence is that there are
complementary treatments that are effective.

What specific evidence? Effective in treating what specific conditions?

Quoted message said:

What I will say is that there are nutritional methods for treating
common complaints that never get mentioned by conventional medicine.
This is all tied up with the concept of nature cure.
Auto-intoxication is otherwise known as self-poisoning from my
understanding.

The body is well-equipped to rid itself of the "toxins" caused from
oxidative phosphorylation and other bodily processes.

Quoted message said:

This is where the normal body processes of digestion
and cell metabolisation of food, result in waste products - this is
perfectly logical to anybody.

Notice that rarely, if ever, does an altie tell us which SPECIFIC
"toxins" cause which specific disease, nor do they ever tell us which
specific toxin their "treatment" removes. They almost always speak only
vaguely of unspecified "toxins."

Quoted message said:

These waste products are usually
eliminated through the normal organs of elimination but certain
conditions can obviously hinder the process - including faulty
nutrition, overloading the system, stress, fatigue, emotional
problems. My hypothesis is the body heals itself if provided with the
correct environment - and all without pharmaceutical drugs. Prove me
wrong.

It is not up to me to "prove you wrong." You made an assertion that the
body heals itself if provided with the "correct" environment. The burden
of proof to back up that assertion is therefore on you. It is therefore
up to you to prove yourself correct. It is also incumbent upon you to
define what the "correct" environment is.

But if you really want to be proven wrong, I'll start with one condition
that can't be cured by your methods. Severe gangrene is a condition that
no amount of environmental manipulation or nutritional therapies is
going to heal. It needs antibiotics and surgery to either debride the
dead tissue or to amputate the gangrenous limb. Period.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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toolz toolz said:

Orac, is wrong. Gangrene may be cured by other methods. But then, Orac would
not get to hurt someone.

Really?

Perhaps you could educate us. Tell us: What specific methods are you
referring to? What is your evidence that the methods you have in mind
will "cure" gangrene. Remember, by definition, gangrene means that there
is necrotic (dead) tissue around, which is what the bacteria are
feasting on and which is the source of the infection and sepsis.
Gangrene is literally putrefaction of a person's dead tissue. How do
your "methods" get rid of this putrefying dead tissue and eliminate the
systemic sepsis caused by the bacteria that are busily chowing down on
the dead tissue?
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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toolz toolz said:

Excuse me, what are you, Hawki63, doing in an Alternative Health group?

What does it matter to you? It is an unmoderated group. Anyone who wants
to can post here.
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Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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toolz toolz said:

Orac, is wrong. Gangrene may be cured by other methods. But then, Orac

would

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not get to hurt someone.

Really?

Perhaps you could educate us. Tell us: What specific methods are you
referring to? What is your evidence that the methods you have in mind
will "cure" gangrene. Remember, by definition, gangrene means that there
is necrotic (dead) tissue around, which is what the bacteria are
feasting on and which is the source of the infection and sepsis.
Gangrene is literally putrefaction of a person's dead tissue. How do
your "methods" get rid of this putrefying dead tissue and eliminate the
systemic sepsis caused by the bacteria that are busily chowing down on
the dead tissue?
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

If, by this time you do not know the answer, you are beyond learning.

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toolz toolz said:

Excuse me, what are you, Hawki63, doing in an Alternative Health group?

What does it matter to you?

What does it matter to you that I asked?
It is an unmoderated group.
Golly Gee! did you go to school to learn that?
Anyone who wants

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to can post here.

Yes, I have noticed several drug users, drug pushers, "doctors", other types
of low life here. Speaking of which, why are YOU here? Are you here to save
and protect the world? Highly developed Jesus complex to judge by your
posts.You know, there is help for your condition.

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