As = Artificial Sweeteners

Would be interesting to see the entire article, preferably posted
here. I was only able to find a teaser, describing that phosgene and
chlorine are used to make splenda.

i

Cubit said:

This month's Discover Magazine has an interesting article on artificial
sweeteners.

According to the article, a graduate student was told to "test" an
experimental compound. The student thought the word was "taste." Thus, he
discovered by accident that it was sweet.... This is how Splenda was
discovered.

They also mention that the a person would have to drink 600 cans of
aspartame sweetened soda to get as much methanol and formaldehyde as are in
an ordinary orange.

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Ignoramus13314 <[email hidden]> wrote:
|| Would be interesting to see the entire article, preferably
|| posted
|| here. I was only able to find a teaser, describing that
|| phosgene and chlorine are used to make splenda.
||
|| i
||
|| On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:00:13 GMT, Cubit <[email hidden]> wrote:
||| This month's Discover Magazine has an interesting article on
||| artificial sweeteners.
|||
||| According to the article, a graduate student was told to
||| "test" an experimental compound. The student thought the
||| word was "taste." Thus, he discovered by accident that it
||| was sweet.... This is how Splenda was discovered.
|||
||| They also mention that the a person would have to drink 600
||| cans of aspartame sweetened soda to get as much methanol and
||| formaldehyde as are in an ordinary orange.
|||
|||
||
||
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|| 223/174.3/180

It would be interesting to see a reference for phosgene being
used
to make splenda from other than the anti-artifical sweetner
sites.
Those sites all seem to reference each other as proof.

BJ

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BJ in Texas said:

It would be interesting to see a reference for phosgene being used
to make splenda from other than the anti-artifical sweetner sites.
Those sites all seem to reference each other as proof.

http://www.discover.com/issues/aug-05/departments/chemistry-of-artificial-sweeteners/

``The country?s entire supply [of Splenda -- Ignoramus13314] is
produced in one well-guarded and famously secretive facility in
Alabama, where truckloads of common table sugar are shipped in weekly,
to be modified via a complex chemical process involving chlorine and
phosgene gas. The result is so intensely sweet that Tate & Lyle has to
cut it with 600 parts filler to approximate a natural sweetness.]]

Phosgene is a poison gas used in WWI, responsible for tens of
thousands of deaths:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosgene

it is also used in a great number of industrial applications, plastics
etc. Perhaps its final product in splenda is perfectly harmless, but
it aroused my curiosity.

Before today, I never heard of foods made of phosgene... What's next,
plutonium fortified glow in the dark cake?

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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:55:42 GMT, Ignoramus13314
<[email hidden]> choked out these words:

Quoted message said:

What's next,
plutonium fortified glow in the dark cake?

yum!

Ignoramus13314 <[email hidden]> wrote:
|| On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:43:32 GMT, BJ in Texas
|| <[email hidden]> wrote:
|||
||| It would be interesting to see a reference for phosgene
||| being used
||| to make splenda from other than the anti-artifical sweetner
||| sites.
||| Those sites all seem to reference each other as proof.
||
||
http://www.discover.com/issues/aug-05/departments/chemistry-of-artificial-sweeteners/
||
|| ``The country?s entire supply [of Splenda -- Ignoramus13314]
|| is
|| produced in one well-guarded and famously secretive facility
|| in
|| Alabama, where truckloads of common table sugar are shipped
|| in weekly,
|| to be modified via a complex chemical process involving
|| chlorine and
|| phosgene gas. The result is so intensely sweet that Tate &
|| Lyle has to
|| cut it with 600 parts filler to approximate a natural
|| sweetness.]]
||
|| Phosgene is a poison gas used in WWI, responsible for tens of
|| thousands of deaths:
||
|| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosgene
||
|| it is also used in a great number of industrial applications,
|| plastics
|| etc. Perhaps its final product in splenda is perfectly
|| harmless, but
|| it aroused my curiosity.
||
|| Before today, I never heard of foods made of phosgene...
|| What's next,
|| plutonium fortified glow in the dark cake?
||
|| --
|| 223/174.3/180

I doubt they are actually using the phosgene gas, but are using
the decay product of the gas + water, Hydrochloric Acid. I
suspect
that phosgene gas despite its toxic nature is much easier and
safer to
handle than high concentrations of HCl.

BJ

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lived the length of it. I want to have lived the width of it as
well." -- Diane Ackerman

BJ in Texas said:

Ignoramus13314 <[email hidden]> wrote:
|| On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:43:32 GMT, BJ in Texas
|| <[email hidden]> wrote:
|||
||| It would be interesting to see a reference for phosgene
||| being used
||| to make splenda from other than the anti-artifical sweetner
||| sites.
||| Those sites all seem to reference each other as proof.
||
||
http://www.discover.com/issues/aug-05/departments/chemistry-of-artificial-sweeteners/
||
|| ``The country?s entire supply [of Splenda -- Ignoramus13314]
|| is
|| produced in one well-guarded and famously secretive facility
|| in
|| Alabama, where truckloads of common table sugar are shipped
|| in weekly,
|| to be modified via a complex chemical process involving
|| chlorine and
|| phosgene gas. The result is so intensely sweet that Tate &
|| Lyle has to
|| cut it with 600 parts filler to approximate a natural
|| sweetness.]]
||
|| Phosgene is a poison gas used in WWI, responsible for tens of
|| thousands of deaths:
||
|| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosgene
||
|| it is also used in a great number of industrial applications,
|| plastics
|| etc. Perhaps its final product in splenda is perfectly
|| harmless, but
|| it aroused my curiosity.
||
|| Before today, I never heard of foods made of phosgene...
|| What's next,
|| plutonium fortified glow in the dark cake?
||
|| --
|| 223/174.3/180

I doubt they are actually using the phosgene gas, but are using the
decay product of the gas + water, Hydrochloric Acid. I suspect that
phosgene gas despite its toxic nature is much easier and safer to
handle than high concentrations of HCl.

That makes perfect sense to me.

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Ignoramus13314 quoted:

Quoted message said:

http://www.discover.com/issues/aug-05/departments/chemistry-of-artificial-sweeteners/

``The country?s entire supply [of Splenda -- Ignoramus13314] is
produced in one well-guarded and famously secretive facility in
Alabama, where truckloads of common table sugar are shipped in weekly,
to be modified via a complex chemical process involving chlorine and
phosgene gas. The result is so intensely sweet that Tate & Lyle has to
cut it with 600 parts filler to approximate a natural sweetness.]]

Phosgene is a poison gas used in WWI, responsible for tens of
thousands of deaths:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosgene

it is also used in a great number of industrial applications, plastics
etc. Perhaps its final product in splenda is perfectly harmless, but
it aroused my curiosity.

I always laugh when I read these sorts of comments.

Common table salt is made from sodium and chlorine. Sodium is a
highly flammable metal that burns so intensely most fire fighting
methods are worthless to stop a sodium fire. Chlorine was used
as a poisn gas during WWI.

Cows are made from grass. Eating a lot of grass is a major
cause of diabetes.

Water is made from hydrogen and oxygen. When those two gases
mix, you get an explosion like the one on the Hindenburg.

Quoted message said:

Before today, I never heard of foods made of phosgene... What's next,
plutonium fortified glow in the dark cake?

Chuckle.

No AS is actually healthy. In time bad news comes out about
every single one of them. Some are worse than others but
never imagine that any of them are actually good. What's
good is you're replacing a lot of stuff that's a bit bad
with a tiny amount of stuff that's medium bad. It's the
net change that's for the better, not any bulls-eye hit on
"good".

Doug Freyburger said:

Ignoramus13314 quoted:

Quoted message said:

http://www.discover.com/issues/aug-05/departments/chemistry-of-artificial-sweeteners/

``The country?s entire supply [of Splenda -- Ignoramus13314] is
produced in one well-guarded and famously secretive facility in
Alabama, where truckloads of common table sugar are shipped in weekly,
to be modified via a complex chemical process involving chlorine and
phosgene gas. The result is so intensely sweet that Tate & Lyle has to
cut it with 600 parts filler to approximate a natural sweetness.]]

Phosgene is a poison gas used in WWI, responsible for tens of
thousands of deaths:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosgene

it is also used in a great number of industrial applications, plastics
etc. Perhaps its final product in splenda is perfectly harmless, but
it aroused my curiosity.

I always laugh when I read these sorts of comments.

If you re-read my comment again, you may notice that I never said that
phosgene makes splenda harmful. All Isaid is that its use aroused my
curiosity.

i

Quoted message said:

Common table salt is made from sodium and chlorine. Sodium is a
highly flammable metal that burns so intensely most fire fighting
methods are worthless to stop a sodium fire. Chlorine was used
as a poisn gas during WWI.

Cows are made from grass. Eating a lot of grass is a major
cause of diabetes.

Water is made from hydrogen and oxygen. When those two gases
mix, you get an explosion like the one on the Hindenburg.

Quoted message said:

Before today, I never heard of foods made of phosgene... What's next,
plutonium fortified glow in the dark cake?

Chuckle.

No AS is actually healthy. In time bad news comes out about
every single one of them. Some are worse than others but
never imagine that any of them are actually good. What's
good is you're replacing a lot of stuff that's a bit bad
with a tiny amount of stuff that's medium bad. It's the
net change that's for the better, not any bulls-eye hit on
"good".

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223/174.3/180

"Ruzinthra the Ruki" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:55:42 GMT, Ignoramus13314
<[email hidden]> choked out these words:

Quoted message said:

What's next,
plutonium fortified glow in the dark cake?

yum!

How many calories are in that?

Donna

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ruzinthra the Ruki said:

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:55:42 GMT, Ignoramus13314
<[email hidden]> choked out these words:

Quoted message said:

What's next,
plutonium fortified glow in the dark cake?

yum!

Plutonium fortified glow in the dark cake is not low carb.

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Black Cat Systems
http://www.blackcatsystems.com

Ignoramus13314 said:

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:43:32 GMT, BJ in Texas <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

http://www.discover.com/issues/aug-05/departments/chemistry-of-artificial-sweeteners/

``The country?s entire supply [of Splenda -- Ignoramus13314] is
produced in one well-guarded and famously secretive facility in
Alabama,

The "secretive facility" is in Axis Alabama just north of mobile, they
have tours thru the "well guarded"factory.

Quoted message said:

where truckloads of common table sugar are shipped in weekly,
to be modified via a complex chemical process involving chlorine and
phosgene gas.:

Pan Ohco

"Pan Ohco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The "secretive facility" is in Axis Alabama just north of mobile, they
have tours thru the "well guarded"factory.

Heh - do they let you buy samples on site? Be almost worth
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95/76/72Kg the trip to get the liquid...

Nicky.

I read somewhere that the method for decaffeinating coffee was using
some nasty ingredient(s) too, just dont remeber what it was.
Laureen

Doug Freyburger said:

Ignoramus13314 quoted:

Quoted message said:

http://www.discover.com/issues/aug-05/departments/chemistry-of-artificial-sweeteners/

``The country?s entire supply [of Splenda -- Ignoramus13314] is
produced in one well-guarded and famously secretive facility in
Alabama, where truckloads of common table sugar are shipped in weekly,
to be modified via a complex chemical process involving chlorine and
phosgene gas. The result is so intensely sweet that Tate & Lyle has to
cut it with 600 parts filler to approximate a natural sweetness.]]

Phosgene is a poison gas used in WWI, responsible for tens of
thousands of deaths:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosgene

it is also used in a great number of industrial applications, plastics
etc. Perhaps its final product in splenda is perfectly harmless, but
it aroused my curiosity.

I always laugh when I read these sorts of comments.

Common table salt is made from sodium and chlorine. Sodium is a
highly flammable metal that burns so intensely most fire fighting
methods are worthless to stop a sodium fire. Chlorine was used
as a poisn gas during WWI.

Cows are made from grass. Eating a lot of grass is a major
cause of diabetes.

Water is made from hydrogen and oxygen. When those two gases
mix, you get an explosion like the one on the Hindenburg.

Quoted message said:

Before today, I never heard of foods made of phosgene... What's next,
plutonium fortified glow in the dark cake?

Chuckle.

No AS is actually healthy. In time bad news comes out about
every single one of them. Some are worse than others but
never imagine that any of them are actually good. What's
good is you're replacing a lot of stuff that's a bit bad
with a tiny amount of stuff that's medium bad. It's the
net change that's for the better, not any bulls-eye hit on
"good".

Ok Iggy! So dont get your undies in a knot!!! You always have to be so
formal, proper and exact. Relax a little....... SHEESH
Laureen

Ignoramus13314 said:

Doug Freyburger said:

Ignoramus13314 quoted:

Quoted message said:

http://www.discover.com/issues/aug-05/departments/chemistry-of-artificial-sweeteners/

``The country?s entire supply [of Splenda -- Ignoramus13314] is
produced in one well-guarded and famously secretive facility in
Alabama, where truckloads of common table sugar are shipped in weekly,
to be modified via a complex chemical process involving chlorine and
phosgene gas. The result is so intensely sweet that Tate & Lyle has to
cut it with 600 parts filler to approximate a natural sweetness.]]

Phosgene is a poison gas used in WWI, responsible for tens of
thousands of deaths:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosgene

it is also used in a great number of industrial applications, plastics
etc. Perhaps its final product in splenda is perfectly harmless, but
it aroused my curiosity.

I always laugh when I read these sorts of comments.

If you re-read my comment again, you may notice that I never said that
phosgene makes splenda harmful. All Isaid is that its use aroused my
curiosity.

i

Quoted message said:

Common table salt is made from sodium and chlorine. Sodium is a
highly flammable metal that burns so intensely most fire fighting
methods are worthless to stop a sodium fire. Chlorine was used
as a poisn gas during WWI.

Cows are made from grass. Eating a lot of grass is a major
cause of diabetes.

Water is made from hydrogen and oxygen. When those two gases
mix, you get an explosion like the one on the Hindenburg.

Quoted message said:

Before today, I never heard of foods made of phosgene... What's next,
plutonium fortified glow in the dark cake?

Chuckle.

No AS is actually healthy. In time bad news comes out about
every single one of them. Some are worse than others but
never imagine that any of them are actually good. What's
good is you're replacing a lot of stuff that's a bit bad
with a tiny amount of stuff that's medium bad. It's the
net change that's for the better, not any bulls-eye hit on
"good".

--
223/174.3/180

Laureen said:

I read somewhere that the method for decaffeinating coffee was using
some nasty ingredient(s) too, just dont remeber what it was.
Laureen

Is that why decaffeinated coffee is so much more
expensive than regular, because the process is
more complicated?

Marsha/Ohio

Marsha said:

Laureen said:

I read somewhere that the method for decaffeinating coffee was using
some nasty ingredient(s) too, just dont remeber what it was.
Laureen

Is that why decaffeinated coffee is so much more expensive than regular,
because the process is more complicated?

Right. Ask Laureen; our resident repository of information she doesn't
quite recall. But first give her about an hour and the use of both hands
to find her own ass...

How are coffee, tea and colas decaffeinated?
<http://science.howstuffworks.com/question480.htm>

Pastorio

Laureen said:

I read somewhere that the method for decaffeinating coffee was using
some nasty ingredient(s) too, just dont remeber what it was.

Of course you don't, you fatuous bonehead. Just post without bothering
to see if what you don't really remember is, um, true or what.

Airbrain.

Pastorio

Laureen said:

Ok Iggy! So dont get your undies in a knot!!! You always have to be so
formal, proper and exact. Relax a little....... SHEESH
Laureen

Yeah. Relax to the level of Laureen where facts don't matter, and
information is optional. Makes for a much smoother life when you have
not the remotest freakin idea what's going on around you.

Idiot.

Pastorio

Bob (this one) said:

Marsha said:

Laureen said:

I read somewhere that the method for decaffeinating coffee was using
some nasty ingredient(s) too, just dont remeber what it was.
Laureen

Is that why decaffeinated coffee is so much more expensive than
regular, because the process is more complicated?

Right. Ask Laureen; our resident repository of information she doesn't
quite recall. But first give her about an hour and the use of both hands
to find her own ass...

Think of the good cop/bad cop routine.

Quoted message said:

How are coffee, tea and colas decaffeinated?
<http://science.howstuffworks.com/question480.htm>

Pastorio

Thank you, sir.

Marsha/Ohio