TdF 2006

"Patricio Carlos" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1122422509.797200.29880
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Jose Rujano - if he gets a start, will win Pantani-style.

I think he has to go through puberty first.

"Patricio Carlos" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1122422509.797200.29880
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Quoted message said:

Jose Rujano - if he gets a start, will win Pantani-style.

I think he has to go through puberty first.

"Patricio Carlos" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1122422509.797200.29880
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Quoted message said:

Jose Rujano - if he gets a start, will win Pantani-style.

I think he has to go through puberty first.

"Patricio Carlos" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1122422509.797200.29880
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Quoted message said:

Jose Rujano - if he gets a start, will win Pantani-style.

I think he has to go through puberty first.

"Patricio Carlos" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1122422509.797200.29880
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Quoted message said:

Jose Rujano - if he gets a start, will win Pantani-style.

I think he has to go through puberty first.

"Patricio Carlos" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1122422509.797200.29880
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Quoted message said:

Jose Rujano - if he gets a start, will win Pantani-style.

I think he has to go through puberty first.

"Patricio Carlos" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1122422509.797200.29880
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Quoted message said:

Jose Rujano - if he gets a start, will win Pantani-style.

I think he has to go through puberty first.

Quoted message said:

It will be interesting to see whether Ullrich beats Basso next year ....

or

Quoted message said:

maybe Vino will go all out and attack .... who else might win ??

If the organizers have two ITT's then Ullrich will annihilate Basso.

Quoted message said:

It will be interesting to see whether Ullrich beats Basso next year ....

or

Quoted message said:

maybe Vino will go all out and attack .... who else might win ??

If the organizers have two ITT's then Ullrich will annihilate Basso.

Quoted message said:

It will be interesting to see whether Ullrich beats Basso next year ....

or

Quoted message said:

maybe Vino will go all out and attack .... who else might win ??

If the organizers have two ITT's then Ullrich will annihilate Basso.

Quoted message said:

It will be interesting to see whether Ullrich beats Basso next year ....

or

Quoted message said:

maybe Vino will go all out and attack .... who else might win ??

If the organizers have two ITT's then Ullrich will annihilate Basso.

Quoted message said:

It will be interesting to see whether Ullrich beats Basso next year ....

or

Quoted message said:

maybe Vino will go all out and attack .... who else might win ??

If the organizers have two ITT's then Ullrich will annihilate Basso.

Quoted message said:

It will be interesting to see whether Ullrich beats Basso next year ....

or

Quoted message said:

maybe Vino will go all out and attack .... who else might win ??

If the organizers have two ITT's then Ullrich will annihilate Basso.

Quoted message said:

It will be interesting to see whether Ullrich beats Basso next year ....

or

Quoted message said:

maybe Vino will go all out and attack .... who else might win ??

If the organizers have two ITT's then Ullrich will annihilate Basso.

"h squared" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

trg said:

Apples and oranges. Vino finished only 4 minutes behing Lance in 2003
(where
Lance was probably at his weakest, recovering from the Dauphiné crash in
the
first part of the race, and then had his dehydration moment in the TT),
because Lance wasn't too concerned about him and didn't cover his every
move, letting him break away. Basso finished 4 minutes behind Lance this
year where Lance wouldn't let him get 20 meters ahead.

while i mostly agree with you, during stage 14 (2003) when vinokourov was
*already* in 3rd place overall and less than a minute behind armstrong, he
managed to get away and to close the gap to 18 seconds. maybe lance wasn't
too worried, but still, i doubt lance exactly wanted to let him close in
to as little as 18 seconds. and it's not like vino got away in a long
break and gained a bunch of time, a la voeckler. (vino gained back about
1:10 on lance over stages 8 and 9 and this is how he initially got up to
2rd behind lance)

Quoted message said:

A better comparison is this year. Even with Lance not letting Basso get
20
meters ahead, and letting Vino go up the road on several occasion, Basso
still finished 6+ minutes ahead of Vino.

also basso is younger and (hopefully) will be getting stronger.

hh

Lance was clear after that stage that he did not consider Vino a threat and
was more interested in marking Ullrich. Lance felt he could make up any time
on Vino in the last ITT.

"h squared" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

trg said:

Apples and oranges. Vino finished only 4 minutes behing Lance in 2003
(where
Lance was probably at his weakest, recovering from the Dauphiné crash in
the
first part of the race, and then had his dehydration moment in the TT),
because Lance wasn't too concerned about him and didn't cover his every
move, letting him break away. Basso finished 4 minutes behind Lance this
year where Lance wouldn't let him get 20 meters ahead.

while i mostly agree with you, during stage 14 (2003) when vinokourov was
*already* in 3rd place overall and less than a minute behind armstrong, he
managed to get away and to close the gap to 18 seconds. maybe lance wasn't
too worried, but still, i doubt lance exactly wanted to let him close in
to as little as 18 seconds. and it's not like vino got away in a long
break and gained a bunch of time, a la voeckler. (vino gained back about
1:10 on lance over stages 8 and 9 and this is how he initially got up to
2rd behind lance)

Quoted message said:

A better comparison is this year. Even with Lance not letting Basso get
20
meters ahead, and letting Vino go up the road on several occasion, Basso
still finished 6+ minutes ahead of Vino.

also basso is younger and (hopefully) will be getting stronger.

hh

Lance was clear after that stage that he did not consider Vino a threat and
was more interested in marking Ullrich. Lance felt he could make up any time
on Vino in the last ITT.

"h squared" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

trg said:

Apples and oranges. Vino finished only 4 minutes behing Lance in 2003
(where
Lance was probably at his weakest, recovering from the Dauphiné crash in
the
first part of the race, and then had his dehydration moment in the TT),
because Lance wasn't too concerned about him and didn't cover his every
move, letting him break away. Basso finished 4 minutes behind Lance this
year where Lance wouldn't let him get 20 meters ahead.

while i mostly agree with you, during stage 14 (2003) when vinokourov was
*already* in 3rd place overall and less than a minute behind armstrong, he
managed to get away and to close the gap to 18 seconds. maybe lance wasn't
too worried, but still, i doubt lance exactly wanted to let him close in
to as little as 18 seconds. and it's not like vino got away in a long
break and gained a bunch of time, a la voeckler. (vino gained back about
1:10 on lance over stages 8 and 9 and this is how he initially got up to
2rd behind lance)

Quoted message said:

A better comparison is this year. Even with Lance not letting Basso get
20
meters ahead, and letting Vino go up the road on several occasion, Basso
still finished 6+ minutes ahead of Vino.

also basso is younger and (hopefully) will be getting stronger.

hh

Lance was clear after that stage that he did not consider Vino a threat and
was more interested in marking Ullrich. Lance felt he could make up any time
on Vino in the last ITT.

"h squared" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

trg said:

Apples and oranges. Vino finished only 4 minutes behing Lance in 2003
(where
Lance was probably at his weakest, recovering from the Dauphiné crash in
the
first part of the race, and then had his dehydration moment in the TT),
because Lance wasn't too concerned about him and didn't cover his every
move, letting him break away. Basso finished 4 minutes behind Lance this
year where Lance wouldn't let him get 20 meters ahead.

while i mostly agree with you, during stage 14 (2003) when vinokourov was
*already* in 3rd place overall and less than a minute behind armstrong, he
managed to get away and to close the gap to 18 seconds. maybe lance wasn't
too worried, but still, i doubt lance exactly wanted to let him close in
to as little as 18 seconds. and it's not like vino got away in a long
break and gained a bunch of time, a la voeckler. (vino gained back about
1:10 on lance over stages 8 and 9 and this is how he initially got up to
2rd behind lance)

Quoted message said:

A better comparison is this year. Even with Lance not letting Basso get
20
meters ahead, and letting Vino go up the road on several occasion, Basso
still finished 6+ minutes ahead of Vino.

also basso is younger and (hopefully) will be getting stronger.

hh

Lance was clear after that stage that he did not consider Vino a threat and
was more interested in marking Ullrich. Lance felt he could make up any time
on Vino in the last ITT.

"h squared" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

trg said:

Apples and oranges. Vino finished only 4 minutes behing Lance in 2003
(where
Lance was probably at his weakest, recovering from the Dauphiné crash in
the
first part of the race, and then had his dehydration moment in the TT),
because Lance wasn't too concerned about him and didn't cover his every
move, letting him break away. Basso finished 4 minutes behind Lance this
year where Lance wouldn't let him get 20 meters ahead.

while i mostly agree with you, during stage 14 (2003) when vinokourov was
*already* in 3rd place overall and less than a minute behind armstrong, he
managed to get away and to close the gap to 18 seconds. maybe lance wasn't
too worried, but still, i doubt lance exactly wanted to let him close in
to as little as 18 seconds. and it's not like vino got away in a long
break and gained a bunch of time, a la voeckler. (vino gained back about
1:10 on lance over stages 8 and 9 and this is how he initially got up to
2rd behind lance)

Quoted message said:

A better comparison is this year. Even with Lance not letting Basso get
20
meters ahead, and letting Vino go up the road on several occasion, Basso
still finished 6+ minutes ahead of Vino.

also basso is younger and (hopefully) will be getting stronger.

hh

Lance was clear after that stage that he did not consider Vino a threat and
was more interested in marking Ullrich. Lance felt he could make up any time
on Vino in the last ITT.

"h squared" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

trg said:

Apples and oranges. Vino finished only 4 minutes behing Lance in 2003
(where
Lance was probably at his weakest, recovering from the Dauphiné crash in
the
first part of the race, and then had his dehydration moment in the TT),
because Lance wasn't too concerned about him and didn't cover his every
move, letting him break away. Basso finished 4 minutes behind Lance this
year where Lance wouldn't let him get 20 meters ahead.

while i mostly agree with you, during stage 14 (2003) when vinokourov was
*already* in 3rd place overall and less than a minute behind armstrong, he
managed to get away and to close the gap to 18 seconds. maybe lance wasn't
too worried, but still, i doubt lance exactly wanted to let him close in
to as little as 18 seconds. and it's not like vino got away in a long
break and gained a bunch of time, a la voeckler. (vino gained back about
1:10 on lance over stages 8 and 9 and this is how he initially got up to
2rd behind lance)

Quoted message said:

A better comparison is this year. Even with Lance not letting Basso get
20
meters ahead, and letting Vino go up the road on several occasion, Basso
still finished 6+ minutes ahead of Vino.

also basso is younger and (hopefully) will be getting stronger.

hh

Lance was clear after that stage that he did not consider Vino a threat and
was more interested in marking Ullrich. Lance felt he could make up any time
on Vino in the last ITT.